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Post by lvrr325 on Apr 16, 2024 17:41:29 GMT -8
What era are those tank cars? Some look on the 60s-70s side.
Also that Simpsons trailer is crying for some Homer graffiti
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Post by cpr4200 on Apr 16, 2024 17:59:27 GMT -8
Pretty big goof with the headlight on the D-10. Glad to see they're making good on it.
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Post by cp6027 on Apr 16, 2024 21:47:51 GMT -8
What era are those tank cars? Some look on the 60s-70s side. Also that Simpsons trailer is crying for some Homer graffiti The catalog PDF lists dates for all of the tank cars, and you are correct that a few are 60s-70s: files.constantcontact.com/b02e8bb6001/72f3a6fe-e281-40d6-b646-071de210f332.pdfHowever, some of these schemes are stand-ins, like Safety Kleen (as noted earlier in the thread) and the "Go Turbo!" CGTX car that caught my eye. For comparison with the model, you can see the actual prototype CGTX 20276 in the John Riddell "Color Guide to Canadian Freight and Passenger Equipment: Volume 2" and a CGTX car in the same number series here: canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=cgtx20273&o=cgtxPlus, even for the schemes that are a match for the Procor GP-20 car, the model tank itself has dimensional issues being slightly larger in diameter than it should be if I recall correctly. I may still get a Turbo car. Uniquely Canadian and I recall my parents sometimes filling up at the local Turbo gas station when I was a kid.
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Post by cera2254 on Apr 17, 2024 2:01:19 GMT -8
Definitely digging some of the tank car schemes on this run, that safety kleen car is sure neat.
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Post by packer on Apr 17, 2024 5:44:31 GMT -8
I'm curious which of those tankers are legit. Also curious if three of those shorter trailer will fit on a Genesis triple 28 flat (athearn's own 28' trailers don't)
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Post by fr8kar on Apr 17, 2024 7:40:55 GMT -8
I'm curious which of those tankers are legit. Also curious if three of those shorter trailer will fit on a Genesis triple 28 flat (athearn's own 28' trailers don't) What is the issue there? Are they too wide? Or is it an issue with the kingpin placement on the trailers or the hitch placement on the flat? Or something else?
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Post by drolsen on Apr 17, 2024 8:26:29 GMT -8
Plus, even for the schemes that are a match for the Procor GP-20 car, the model tank itself has dimensional issues being slightly larger in diameter than it should be if I recall correctly. I’m pretty sure the tank is too small in diameter. I only bought two undecorated kits from the first run so I can use the components to model other Procor tank cars in the future. There’s at least one type that served an industry I plan to model that I doubt will ever be offered in model form. The Safety Kleen prototype is so different from this model that I don’t consider it to be even in the ballpark, other than that they’re both tank cars. Here are two photos of PROX 41610 from the Fallen Flags website taken by Mark Hoeller in Richmond, VA in August 1994.
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Post by 12bridge on Apr 17, 2024 8:34:32 GMT -8
They also had shorter cars. M. DeLuca Photo. I have been wanting these cars for some time.. but..
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Post by edwardsutorik on Apr 17, 2024 9:41:45 GMT -8
I'm curious which of those tankers are legit. Also curious if three of those shorter trailer will fit on a Genesis triple 28 flat (athearn's own 28' trailers don't) What is the issue there? Are they too wide? Or is it an issue with the kingpin placement on the trailers or the hitch placement on the flat? Or something else? I've set these up to run on the Athearn RTTX cars. My RECOLLECTION is that the tire/wheel spacing is too wide (side-to-side), and that I narrowed them. I also THINK I repositioned the kingpin. Ed
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Post by fr8kar on Apr 17, 2024 11:15:31 GMT -8
What is the issue there? Are they too wide? Or is it an issue with the kingpin placement on the trailers or the hitch placement on the flat? Or something else? I've set these up to run on the Athearn RTTX cars. My RECOLLECTION is that the tire/wheel spacing is too wide (side-to-side), and that I narrowed them. I also THINK I repositioned the kingpin. Ed Looking at my notes now... that's kinda what I thought. The Athearn 28' trailers all represent 102" wide prototypes. In my experience, Athearn's PS F85B 85'0" TOFC Flat, Atlas/BLMA's ACF F89J 89'4" TOFC Flat and the Athearn Genesis BSC F89F 89'4" TOFC Flat can accommodate models with 96" wide wheels but don't play well with 102" wide wheels.
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Post by packer on Apr 17, 2024 11:42:43 GMT -8
What is the issue there? Are they too wide? Or is it an issue with the kingpin placement on the trailers or the hitch placement on the flat? Or something else? I've set these up to run on the Athearn RTTX cars. My RECOLLECTION is that the tire/wheel spacing is too wide (side-to-side), and that I narrowed them. I also THINK I repositioned the kingpin. Ed I remember narrowing, guess I gotta do the kingpin modification.
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Apr 18, 2024 1:07:49 GMT -8
Plus, even for the schemes that are a match for the Procor GP-20 car, the model tank itself has dimensional issues being slightly larger in diameter than it should be if I recall correctly. I’m pretty sure the tank is too small in diameter. The diameter of the Rapido Procor tank car is too large. What happened is they goofed up on the original cut tooling and to fix/add the correct weld patterns instead of cutting a new mould for the tank, they cut deeper into the existing mould. This made the tank larger. "Meh, good enough! No one will notice. Or care."
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Post by ernestbaron on Apr 18, 2024 8:31:16 GMT -8
In 2023 Rapido lost at least three regular production employees (one overall manager and two project managers) and a warranty repair person. And to add to the rumors of staff changes, one was poached by ScaleTrains. Another staff member who left or was the one who went to ST, was in charge of the GP40. Hence Rapido had no problem throwing the original designs of the fans under the bus. No, actual names said, it is just hearsay, but one could infer... For the three production employees they lost: one went to Atlas and is now a Project Manager, the one you mentioned is now at Scale Trains (When I saw them at Amherst they were between employers having left Rapido in November), the third left the industrial manufacturing sector to work for Rapido and went back into that industry after leaving Rapido.
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Post by delta767332er on Apr 18, 2024 16:23:08 GMT -8
I’m pretty sure the tank is too small in diameter. The diameter of the Rapido Procor tank car is too large. What happened is they goofed up on the original cut tooling and to fix/add the correct weld patterns instead of cutting a new mould for the tank, they cut deeper into the existing mould. This made the tank larger. "Meh, good enough! No one will notice. Or care." If this is true, and logic and the timeline of events makes it sound likely, then it's pretty gross how they sort of bragged about fixing it. It was in the newletter, etc. of how their piss-poor research was wrong, but they're going to save the day by fixing it, at their own nickel. Yadda. Yadda. By......making the car even wrongerer. That's not fixing it. Don't say you're fixing it.
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Post by hudsonyard on Apr 19, 2024 15:24:44 GMT -8
The diameter of the Rapido Procor tank car is too large. What happened is they goofed up on the original cut tooling and to fix/add the correct weld patterns instead of cutting a new mould for the tank, they cut deeper into the existing mould. This made the tank larger. "Meh, good enough! No one will notice. Or care." If this is true, and logic and the timeline of events makes it sound likely, then it's pretty gross how they sort of bragged about fixing it. It was in the newletter, etc. of how their piss-poor research was wrong, but they're going to save the day by fixing it, at their own nickel. Yadda. Yadda. By......making the car even wrongerer. That's not fixing it. Don't say you're fixing it.
rapidos quality control has the track record of a polish landlord.
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Apr 19, 2024 23:00:34 GMT -8
The diameter of the Rapido Procor tank car is too large. What happened is they goofed up on the original cut tooling and to fix/add the correct weld patterns instead of cutting a new mould for the tank, they cut deeper into the existing mould. This made the tank larger. "Meh, good enough! No one will notice. Or care." If this is true, and logic and the timeline of events makes it sound likely, then it's pretty gross how they sort of bragged about fixing it. It was in the newletter, etc. of how their piss-poor research was wrong, but they're going to save the day by fixing it, at their own nickel. Yadda. Yadda. By......making the car even wrongerer. That's not fixing it. Don't say you're fixing it. They've turned it into a marketing strategy. These two quotes were never more true: -- P.T. Barnum -- Oscar Wilde
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