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Post by lvrr325 on Dec 20, 2022 21:32:59 GMT -8
"Hey Abbott what do you think of the new HO car?"
"the The is missing"
"the what?"
"the The"
"the the what?"
"the THE"
"I don't know what you're saying, what is missing"
"No, What is on second base, we covered this last week Lou"
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Post by csxt8400 on Dec 21, 2022 20:47:41 GMT -8
Well the air sure didn't take long to escape this sail. Bummer.
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Post by unittrain on Dec 22, 2022 3:44:09 GMT -8
Yeah the deck of this car is even with the sides like a standard rack on a flush deck flat I can't unsee that now. Another thing is obvious the low resolution pictures and lack of clear photos from all angles including the underframe at $110 these need to be show pieces. Tangents 86' Greenville cars blow this out of the water at half the cost. This looks to be a quick cash grab. I impulse bought a couple of these but I'm canceling my order. I hope these are just momentary trends cause it's really not cool.
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Post by nstophat on Dec 22, 2022 5:54:47 GMT -8
Only NW photos I can find are car 400000 which is similar in some ways but has two red bands in the middle and an Ann Arbor? logo on the right hand side of the car. NW 400000 was a demo car that was a W&K built car for joint service with the DT&I. The full production run of NW cars was 400001-400026, as tri-levels and then rebuilt into bi-levels. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Dec 23, 2022 6:47:48 GMT -8
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Post by 12bridge on Dec 23, 2022 9:43:25 GMT -8
"A lettering error with the ROKA Prototype Models SCL Safe-Pak models has been identified. The price for the SCL models has been reduced to $84.95. Customers who have already purchased one of my SCL models will be refunded to the new lower price or given a complete refund at their discretion. The SCL Safe-Pak models will not be included in any future model runs"
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Post by nstophat on Dec 23, 2022 10:11:01 GMT -8
"A lettering error with the ROKA Prototype Models SCL Safe-Pak models has been identified. The price for the SCL models has been reduced to $84.95. Customers who have already purchased one of my SCL models will be refunded to the new lower price or given a complete refund at their discretion. The SCL Safe-Pak models will not be included in any future model runs" That seems like a ridiculous stance to take, in not having the SCL road name in any future releases. |
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Dec 23, 2022 10:26:53 GMT -8
"The SCL Safe-Pak models will not be included in any future model runs" Weird. |
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Post by unittrain on Dec 23, 2022 10:27:58 GMT -8
Guess they want to sell the ones they got figuring no one will buy them if they say they'll be a rerun. 😁
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Dec 23, 2022 10:29:00 GMT -8
Guess they want to sell the ones they got figuring no one will buy them if they say they'll be a rerun. 😁 That could be it :-) |
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Post by scl1234 on Dec 23, 2022 10:38:53 GMT -8
"A lettering error with the ROKA Prototype Models SCL Safe-Pak models has been identified. The price for the SCL models has been reduced to $84.95. Customers who have already purchased one of my SCL models will be refunded to the new lower price or given a complete refund at their discretion. The SCL Safe-Pak models will not be included in any future model runs" That seems like a ridiculous stance to take, in not having the SCL road name in any future releases. Keeps with the age old " SCL doesn't sell" mantra...and sometimes the reason(s) why get obfuscated / blame shifted, etc. |
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Post by cp6027 on Dec 23, 2022 11:03:00 GMT -8
"A lettering error with the ROKA Prototype Models SCL Safe-Pak models has been identified. The price for the SCL models has been reduced to $84.95. Customers who have already purchased one of my SCL models will be refunded to the new lower price or given a complete refund at their discretion. The SCL Safe-Pak models will not be included in any future model runs" That seems like a ridiculous stance to take, in not having the SCL road name in any future releases. They could still do the same scheme with CRR reporting marks as pictured earlier in the thread? Not really something I need (CPAA cars are after my era) but the red Santa Fe models are certainly attractive eye candy! I suspect they will sell well. It will be interesting to see if Roka comes out with other products. Seems to be a plethora of new "manufacturers" popping up to import models and stepping up to the gauntlet laid down by the established manufacturers whenever they say "if you want to see freight car X get made and have decent prototype documentation and $100k for tooling, the Chinese factories will make it for you". |
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Post by joppasub on Dec 26, 2022 7:31:19 GMT -8
They look great! Nice to see an all new product. Hope to see more from them.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Dec 26, 2022 11:56:33 GMT -8
I happened upon this picture:  taken in 1989 on Cajon Pass. Ed |
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Post by surlyknuckle on Dec 26, 2022 13:36:43 GMT -8
Where does it say the SCL road name will not be done again? I got an email about my order of SCL cars about whether or not I'd like to cancel the order, but it did not say that roadname wouldn't be run again. Thanks.
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Post by 12bridge on Dec 26, 2022 19:20:04 GMT -8
Where does it say the SCL road name will not be done again? I got an email about my order of SCL cars about whether or not I'd like to cancel the order, but it did not say that roadname wouldn't be run again. Thanks. The post I quoted came from I believe the freight car modelers group on facebook. |
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Post by ChessieFan1978 on Dec 26, 2022 19:48:07 GMT -8
How about offering "THE" Decals !!!
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Post by edwardsutorik on Dec 26, 2022 20:22:21 GMT -8
Where does it say the SCL road name will not be done again? I got an email about my order of SCL cars about whether or not I'd like to cancel the order, but it did not say that roadname wouldn't be run again. Thanks. It did not come from the MFCL. Robert Stears, the owner of the company, has made two posts in the topic, and neither mentioned that the roadname would not be run again. His latter post addressed the SCL problem. The MFCL is not on Facebook. Ed |
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Post by 12bridge on Dec 26, 2022 20:27:31 GMT -8
The facebook group is Freight Car Enthusiast.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Dec 26, 2022 20:27:55 GMT -8
How about offering "THE" Decals !!! The offer is a $25 discount for "as is". Or your order cancelled. Take yer pick, mister. This might be a good opportunity for the SCL historical society to step in and do the above mentioned decal offering. Ed |
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Post by Frank on Dec 27, 2022 7:38:05 GMT -8
The owner mentioned on the Roka Facebook page that the SCL cars would not be included again. Not sure if that is open ended to include CRR though.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Dec 27, 2022 8:08:10 GMT -8
The owner mentioned on the Roka Facebook page that the SCL cars would not be included again. Not sure if that is open ended to include CRR though. I'm having trouble turning up the Roka Facebook page--probably wrong search terms. I'd like to see what else they say. Can you provide a link? Thanks, Ed |
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Post by cnwman on Dec 27, 2022 9:33:10 GMT -8
The owner mentioned on the Roka Facebook page that the SCL cars would not be included again. Not sure if that is open ended to include CRR though. I'm having trouble turning up the Roka Facebook page--probably wrong search terms. I'd like to see what else they say. Can you provide a link? Thanks, Ed Here you go, Ed: www.facebook.com/rokamodelsMark |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Dec 27, 2022 10:20:07 GMT -8
Thanks, Mark. Worked great.
Yup: "The SCL Safe-Pak models will not be included in any possible future runs."
I'll post that statement over on MFCL.
Robert Stears, owner
Ed
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Post by Mr. Trainiac on Dec 27, 2022 13:45:18 GMT -8
Seems like a bit of a disturbing statement. What's wrong with admitting a mistake and improving on it later? Refusing to fix errors sounds a lot like another company we complain about on here, and it doesn't bode well for future models from this brand.
If anything, I thought the reverse would happen. Now that the error has been identified, I would expect the demand and anticipation for a corrected model to be even greater in future runs. Punishing the customer by withholding new models just seems counter-intuitive. It seems like a good way to lose out on sales of this paint scheme in the future.
No model is perfect, especially from a new manufacturer. There's no shame in making mistakes, as long as you learn from them.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Dec 27, 2022 14:14:14 GMT -8
He DID admit a mistake (something another company isn't very good at), and offer a discount IF you want to accept the mistake. All that before you spend any money or make a commitment.
I'd say that's a pretty adequate response.
But I also think this particular statement was unwise and unnecessary.
If someone had asked, I would have recommended: "Maybe someday--we got lots of other stuff to do first." That way you can do whatever you want.
Keep in mind that nobody got a crap product they're stuck with.
Ed
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Post by cp6027 on Dec 27, 2022 18:19:03 GMT -8
How about offering "THE" Decals !!! The offer is a $25 discount for "as is". Or your order cancelled. Take yer pick, mister. This might be a good opportunity for the SCL historical society to step in and do the above mentioned decal offering. Ed Would a "THE" decal work or look good applied to the perforated side of the car with all of the holes? Maybe you'd need to apply the decal, let it dry, and then poke all the holes open with a correct size pin? (This might be less of an issue since the lettering is black and tends to hide the holes?) |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Dec 27, 2022 18:28:33 GMT -8
Would a "THE" decal work or look good applied to the perforated side of the car with all of the holes? Maybe you'd need to apply the decal, let it dry, and then poke all the holes open with a correct size pin? (This might be less of an issue since the lettering is black and tends to hide the holes?) I expect the pin-in-the-hole thing is the way to go. Most likely, the decal would sink slightly into the hole, so as to help you find it. Then stab away. Gently. Then some of that decal solvent would surely cause the decal to settle in. Or so it seems to me. Ed |
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Post by Mr. Trainiac on Jan 14, 2023 12:59:46 GMT -8
TSG Multimedia posted a review of these models today: I won't comment on the accuracy of the review, but I think this is the first video that has shown an all-around view of the model including the underbody. I don't have any prototype photos of the underbody, but something doesn't look right around the draft gear area of the model. Seems like they filled in the underbody of the car for extra weight. It looks really low-relief. The Athearn Genesis F89 has a similar design, but they were able to maintain some smaller details like the draft gear underside and stringers along the floor. I think the interior of the rack looks pretty good on the open-ended ones, but the clamshell doors still have that weird rectangular cutout at the top. Earlier we thought it was for the door mechanism, but the review says the doors don't open. Skip to around 9:30 in the video for that comment. The extra cutout is extremely obvious in the white 'excess height' marking, but it is absent on the prototype: ATSF: rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3125390CP: rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4182824So I have no idea what it is supposed to represent or what its function is. Thrall Autoracks (Walthers/Intermountain model) have that cutout, so maybe they accidentally measured or photographed the incorrect door and included it on the model. |
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Post by fr8kar on Jan 14, 2023 14:36:34 GMT -8
The cutout in the door is to clear the top ladder support arm when the door rotates open. Some doors are designed so that they clear inside this support and need no cutout but others rotate to a position between the ladder and the body and need this cutout to rotate fully. Many doors today have a similar "L" shaped cutout.
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