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Post by kcjones on Feb 15, 2014 12:06:58 GMT -8
Tom, you did a great job on the repaint of the PC C430. How did you get most of the details off? I just started on my undecorated c430 and discovered it is not undecortated. It is a fully assembled model with all the parts attached just painted a light sand colored primer. Even the windows are already glued in. I was able to get the windows out without breaking them, but there is a trick. You have to remove the rear door windows first. I used a x-acto flat chisel blade and very carefully slipped it under the edges. Since there is no critical masking to be done, the grabs can stay. I need to remove the all the air hoses on the pilot, but I'm stumped. I scraped the glue off the back, but they won't buge. I've got a patched CR unit on the way which I will have to take apart as well. This one is with sound. I wasn't sure about the Loksound and everything else I have is Sndtrack. I like to standardize on decoders. Then I saw one on you tube. HOLY COW....I heard that air starter and it blew me away. That was a very common trait for Alcos. I wonder if electric starters were only an option. Thanks for the help.
Joe Loggans
Vancouver WA
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Post by tom on Feb 15, 2014 12:42:02 GMT -8
Boy I hate it when you have to strip the paint off an undecorated unit......
I disassembled my C430 so I could get to everything and and to make stripping the paint easier. However I did leave the end hanrails on (because I could not figure out how to remove them) and I left the airhoses in place. I was able to leave these details in place while I stripped the paint off of them. Worked out OK.
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Post by craigz on Feb 15, 2014 14:52:37 GMT -8
Tom, you did a great job on the repaint of the PC C430. How did you get most of the details off? I just started on my undecorated c430 and discovered it is not undecortated. It is a fully assembled model with all the parts attached just painted a light sand colored primer. Even the windows are already glued in. I was able to get the windows out without breaking them, but there is a trick. You have to remove the rear door windows first. I used a x-acto flat chisel blade and very carefully slipped it under the edges. Since there is no critical masking to be done, the grabs can stay. I need to remove the all the air hoses on the pilot, but I'm stumped. I scraped the glue off the back, but they won't buge. I've got a patched CR unit on the way which I will have to take apart as well. This one is with sound. I wasn't sure about the Loksound and everything else I have is Sndtrack. I like to standardize on decoders. Then I saw one on you tube. HOLY COW....I heard that air starter and it blew me away. That was a very common trait for Alcos. I wonder if electric starters were only an option. Thanks for the help. Joe Loggans Vancouver WA The Loksound decoder is mighty impressive, isn't it? The new Atlas RS-3s with Loksound 244s are just as good...a real improvement over the sound of the Tsunami IMHO. |
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Post by WP 257 on Feb 15, 2014 21:23:27 GMT -8
No, electric starters were absolutely not an option--lol. Furthermore, an engineman had to get the Alco started on the first or second try, or else risk running out of enough air in the tanks to get them started.
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Post by kcjones on Feb 16, 2014 10:53:48 GMT -8
OK. If that is the case and ALCOs only had air starters, then Sndtrx dropped the ball on that one. None of the Tsunami's have that feature on them. I know that is one reason they had so many air tanks on them. Did MLW units built later ever have electric starters on them. The air starter really blew my mind when I heard it on You tube. There is a local trucking firm here that still has air starters on their rigs. If your not expecting it.....they'll have to pull you off the ceiling.
Joe Loggans
Pres and CEO
Arkansas Valley Railroad
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Post by trebor on Feb 16, 2014 12:34:08 GMT -8
There are many decades of non-undec, undecs. Model Power, P2K ConCor would take unsold painted models and dip or hose em grey. My oft repeated plead is undecs should come NAKED woo woo, still on sprues.
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Post by kcjones on Feb 16, 2014 13:31:23 GMT -8
Hey Trebor, Your right. I just remembered I purchased a LL PK2 FA2 undec about 15 years ago. Unpainted, but all parts were glued on. Even the windows. Destroyed the windows trying to get them out. Back in the box it went....still there.
Joe Loggans
Pres and CEO
Arkansas Valley Railroad
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Post by stevewoodward on Feb 16, 2014 14:51:50 GMT -8
I painted a pair of P2K undec GP-18s some time back for a customer. Just before painting my usual procedure is to give the shell a quick rinse in 91 percent alcohol. I do this instead of a soap and water rinse because we have hard water and it has left stains on body shells. Anyway, I started lightly scrubbing the shells with a toothbrush...and watched as the "undec" grey paint came off! Funny thing is the plastic was such a close match to the grey paint that I didn't notice the difference while adding detail parts etc.
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Post by Spikre on Feb 16, 2014 16:54:05 GMT -8
 Alco used Air Starters on the C430,C630,and C636. late Alco C415,C420,C628,and T-6s still used Electric Starters. MLW used Air Starters on C630M,M630,and M636 until Sales Order 4920 for M636s for CP completed between 10-12/70. Alco used the Air Starter System because the AC Altenator cant be used as a Motor to start the units like a DC Genorator. Air Starters were Not Common. Undecs: had the Grey Paint problem with a Proto P-S 4427 kit,so swapped it off for a decorated 4427. had planned on trying to cut it down to a 2 Bay Cement Conversion like XTRA had done for C&NW or their lese fleet. had a feeling the paint would either be tuff to strip,or would make splicing difficult if left on the plastic,guess I'll never know now ?? Spikre 
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Post by kcjones on Feb 17, 2014 20:23:55 GMT -8
Spikre,
What about the older ALCOs? I have 2 RS1s [tsunami] and a RSD15 Gator [qsi]. So far it looks like the only screwed up engine is my C630 [Tsunami], Thanks for the information.
Joe Loggans
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Post by lvrr325 on Feb 21, 2014 20:10:40 GMT -8
A friend is a railroad mechanic who dabbles in HO and he loved the sound on the C430s. Had it side by side with an Atlas C420 and preferred the C430. He worked for a time for somebody that had C430s, so I figure he's a good authority on how they should sound.
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Post by Spikre on Mar 1, 2014 12:42:05 GMT -8
 lvrr325, did that "Somebody" work on the M&E C430s ?? or the Susie Q C430s ? know anyone that worked on the Susie Q C636s ? just wondering.....? Spikre
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