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Post by carrman on Jul 25, 2014 7:11:23 GMT -8
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Post by GP40P-2 on Jul 25, 2014 7:53:30 GMT -8
From a "premier HO tool house"? Is Clune back?
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Post by bdhicks on Jul 25, 2014 8:19:04 GMT -8
When they say working couplers without a trip pin, do they mean kadee clones that you have to use a swizzle stick on, or what?
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Post by atsfan on Jul 25, 2014 8:46:51 GMT -8
$49 so not a fleet car.
This is a new importer company right?
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Post by carrman on Jul 25, 2014 9:03:37 GMT -8
From a "premier HO tool house"? Is Clune back? Clune has absolutely no desire to re-enter the industry. Dealing with different folks, some of whom are on this forum, have dissuaded him from ever doing it again. He's quite happy to be just a modeler again. John Engstrom is behind the announcement. Dave
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Post by Spikre on Jul 25, 2014 9:07:24 GMT -8
?? isn't a Magnetic Wand used with Sergent Couplers ? maybe a Plastic Clone of Sergents ? American Limited has been around since the early 90s ? Spikre
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Post by GP40P-2 on Jul 25, 2014 9:08:58 GMT -8
From a "premier HO tool house"? Is Clune back? Clune has absolutely no desire to re-enter the industry. Dealing with different folks, some of whom are on this forum, have dissuaded him from ever doing it again. He's quite happy to be just a modeler again. John Engstrom is behind the announcement. Dave That is too bad, but completely understandable. It is interesting that American Limited is getting into rolling stock. They had various bits and pieces, tank containers and chassis, and of course the parent company has a great line of On3 rolling stock. With the entry of Tangent, Spring Mills, that PWRS subsidiary, and now American Limited and Albrae, is the cost of developing new models declining to such a point that small operators can now do it?
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Post by GP40P-2 on Jul 25, 2014 9:11:02 GMT -8
?? isn't a Magnetic Wand used with Sergent Couplers ? maybe a Plastic Clone of Sergents ? American Limited has been around since the early 90s ? Spikre I think that San Juan car has operating O and On3 couplers that may use a "magic wand." Maybe they are developing an HO version? Of course with Sargent already out there, the question would be whY?
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Post by riogrande on Jul 25, 2014 9:12:02 GMT -8
From a "premier HO tool house"? Is Clune back? Clune has absolutely no desire to re-enter the industry. Dealing with different folks, some of whom are on this forum, have dissuaded him from ever doing it again. He's quite happy to be just a modeler again. John Engstrom is behind the announcement. Dave I admit I'm not "in the loop" but I didn't realize Engstrom had left Athearn. Was he one of the recently departed? This hopper should please some modern folks. Lots of conspicuity stripes on some of those! Cheers, Jim
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Post by cannon on Jul 25, 2014 9:52:14 GMT -8
Clune has absolutely no desire to re-enter the industry. Dealing with different folks, some of whom are on this forum, have dissuaded him from ever doing it again. He's quite happy to be just a modeler again. John Engstrom is behind the announcement. Dave I admit I'm not "in the loop" but I didn't realize Engstrom had left Athearn. Was he one of the recently departed? This hopper should please some modern folks. Lots of conspicuity stripes on some of those! Cheers, Jim John Engstrom left Athearn several years ago, and went to work in Durango, CO for San Juan Car Co for John Parker. SJCC was originally established by John Parker, working closely with another tool maker Joel Berling and later Bob Fingerle (of American Limited who had Gordon Cannon do some of his tooling). Parker, a lifetime narrow gauge steam enthusiast, ran parts as a teenager for the legendary Cliff Grandt, of Grandt Line, when the use of injection-molded styrene for model train parts was in its infancy. Although San Juan Car began in Union City, California, it later moved to Durango, Colorado. Parker passed away in 2011, leaving Engstrom to run the business. American Limited is part of San Juan and owned by Engstrom and Bob Staat. I don't know who did this tooling since all the previously mentioned tool makers have passed away. Dave Hussey
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Post by riogrande on Jul 25, 2014 10:08:52 GMT -8
I stand informed! I saw John Engstrom in person when he came to the Chantilly Virginia Greenberg Trainshow about 3 years ago; it was when they were displaying the test shots of the F89F flat car and 50' PC&F Genesis Landis door et. al. box cars. I had corresponded with him a few time over the years but that was the first time I met him in person - nice guy. He must have left not long after that! I think it was summer of 2011.
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Post by markfj on Jul 25, 2014 13:08:41 GMT -8
Clune has absolutely no desire to re-enter the industry. Dealing with different folks, some of whom are on this forum, have dissuaded him from ever doing it again. He's quite happy to be just a modeler again. John Engstrom is behind the announcement. Dave That is too bad, but completely understandable. It is interesting that American Limited is getting into rolling stock. They had various bits and pieces, tank containers and chassis, and of course the parent company has a great line of On3 rolling stock. With the entry of Tangent, Spring Mills, that PWRS subsidiary, and now American Limited and Albrae, is the cost of developing new models declining to such a point that small operators can now do it? Not to hijack the thread, but I would say “yes”. There is also another company in the startup phase that was mentioned on the PRR Modeling Yahoo group: Jackson Standard Models. A direct quote from their announcement post: “This is not a “might happen” situation. Brian has already made **significant** investments in acquiring the latest technology CNC mill.” So, we can expect high-end RTR cars from this company soon. Back to the topic, I think this announcement will make those modeling the modern era happy. Also, it looks like the $50 price point for RTR is here to stay. That’s not a complaint, just a statement of fact. Mark
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Post by buffalobill on Jul 25, 2014 13:18:02 GMT -8
For modern modelers this fills one of the holes. Hopefully the end product is worthy of this price point. Bill
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Post by iccn1000 on Jul 25, 2014 13:24:57 GMT -8
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Post by bnsftcdiv on Jul 25, 2014 16:56:52 GMT -8
I saw the flyer on a table outside the NTS show-hadn't had a chance to scan it and post it since I'd returned though. Just unpacked the box they were in. San Juan make nice stuff for the NG crowd, and with American Limited as part of their group I hope that this model will meet those standards. Their fuel cranes and sand tower are top notch. It made me happy to see 3251's as these things are all over out here bringing sand along the Mighty Mississippi and across the upper midwest traveling to many other places.
I'll be sending a few photos their way. I don't see as many logo marked cars as they are running. Lots of plain janes so I'm hoping for some more of those.
Dave Burman modeling the modern day Twin Cities Trempealeau, WI
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Post by drolsen on Jul 25, 2014 18:18:36 GMT -8
This is definitely a much-needed car for post-2000 modelers. I believe these first appears in 1999, just after my modeling era cutoff, but this is going to be one of those models that will be hard for me to resist buying, because I've always thought the prototype was interesting. I'm a little surprised they're only offering them with conspicuity stripes in this first run though, because a lot of them were built before they were mandated (although maybe all of the car numbers in this run were built later).
It's neat to see American Limited entering the freight car market after, I think, almost two decades of producing detail parts and line side structures. I hope they are successful - I think this is a good choice for a first model to get them rolling. These cars can be seen in almost every train nowadays.
Dave
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Post by surlyknuckle on Jul 25, 2014 22:04:10 GMT -8
I wish them lots of luck with choosing to manufacturing these cars... but I have a special-hatred of these 2-bay Trinities, specifically the CSX ones as they're direct replacements for the once huge class of Chessie HC-44s that you could find in 98% of trains until a few years ago
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Post by curtmc on Jul 26, 2014 9:32:23 GMT -8
Good to see a company doing the modern sand cars, but in reality I'm hoping their next offering IS the Chessie HC-44s... and John knows how well Chessie items sell.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 26, 2014 10:53:18 GMT -8
Myself, I'd like to see some ACF 3425's in BNSF. There have been an awful lot of them traveling the North Bank of the Columbia River: The one above is frolicking somewhere else, though. Ed
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 26, 2014 11:04:55 GMT -8
Fear not, though, owners of American Limited; for I have also noted in those same trains some of your CRDX cars. And I will purchase approximately two of those.
Ed
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Post by runs2waynoka on Jul 26, 2014 11:12:25 GMT -8
It's nice to see this common modern prototype being offered. It's a needed car given the proliferation of them in frac sand service. I'm definately getting several of them, most likely the UP and WSOX cars. I agree that there should be some additional plain cars offered like the TILX and HWCX cars that seem to predominate...
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Post by Spikre on Jul 26, 2014 11:13:52 GMT -8
Ed, have You seen any EL cars in those trains ? will have to wait for an EL appropriate car. Spikre
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Post by Lt. Dan on Jul 26, 2014 11:29:37 GMT -8
Ouch... at fifty a pop as much as I'd like the CMO cars that's a bit rich for my budget I suppost that's why I have the TM ACF 3560's as my fleet "shorty" CenterFlow-type car.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 26, 2014 11:55:08 GMT -8
Ed, have You seen any EL cars in those trains ? will have to wait for an EL appropriate car. Spikre Spikre, The trains I surveyed were in 2010. I found about 40 of the above noted BNSF cars. And one 2970 in the Swoosh scheme. And about 10 other "small" ACF's with xxxX reporting marks, including the CRDX cars. The only railroads represented other than BNSF in the "small" covered hopper group was a couple of Wisconsin Southern in the P-S style. And there were some of the P-S style with the xxxX reporting marks, too. When I say "small" above, it means smaller than 4000 and up. And, oh yeah, I think I saw one old 2893 in someone's xxxX service. All this was with about 18 general service trains. Wow, there sure were a lot of tank cars! Were there any E-L cars left in 2010? ?? There were only 12 in my July 2005 ORER. Ed
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Post by grabbem88 on Jul 26, 2014 12:29:42 GMT -8
I drive by silica sand in pacific mo and see these cars and a handful of smooth sides
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Post by drolsen on Jul 26, 2014 13:47:02 GMT -8
I wish them lots of luck with choosing to manufacturing these cars... but I have a special-hatred of these 2-bay Trinities, specifically the CSX ones as they're direct replacements for the once huge class of Chessie HC-44s that you could find in 98% of trains until a few years ago I've noticed that too - I used to visit Hancock, WV once or twice a year and could always catch a dozen or more HC-44s there: drolsen.rrpicturearchives.net/rsPicture.aspx?id=45542I haven't seen any there during my last two visits. I honestly hadn't paid much attention to these new CSX Trinity hoppers, as they are well outside my modeling era, but I've photographed a couple. If someone produces a quality HC-44, I will probably buy three dozen of them. Dave
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Post by grabbem88 on Jul 26, 2014 13:51:38 GMT -8
Got any bnsf pics like those csxt's??
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Post by ANDY117 on Jul 26, 2014 15:06:57 GMT -8
Finally! One of the cars that I have been hoping for for years! Hopefully they come out with the 3601CF cars next. In the mantime, I'll take a bunch in GNWR, Ciment Quebec, CSX, and a lot of leasers.
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Post by runs2waynoka on Jul 26, 2014 18:09:28 GMT -8
I wish them lots of luck with choosing to manufacturing these cars... but I have a special-hatred of these 2-bay Trinities, specifically the CSX ones as they're direct replacements for the once huge class of Chessie HC-44s that you could find in 98% of trains until a few years ago I've noticed that too - I used to visit Hancock, WV once or twice a year and could always catch a dozen or more HC-44s there: drolsen.rrpicturearchives.net/rsPicture.aspx?id=45542I haven't seen any there during my last two visits. I honestly hadn't paid much attention to these new CSX Trinity hoppers, as they are well outside my modeling era, but I've photographed a couple. If someone produces a quality HC-44, I will probably buy three dozen of them. Dave They're still around, maybe just not on CSX. Anything that can be used to haul frac sand is in high demand. I occasionallly see some of those patched for INTX still in CSX/Chessie paint. There are also a few with MRMX reporting marks now, in new paint.
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Post by Spikre on Jul 28, 2014 10:31:12 GMT -8
Ed, there may not be any EL reporting marks cars now,but there are still some Patch jobs out there. mainly the late 77 ton triple hoppers,but there some others also. ELHS posts pics of cars when they are found,or groups of cars. just have to be in the rite place at the rite time. Spikre
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