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Post by atsfan on Jul 26, 2014 19:21:40 GMT -8
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Post by carrman on Jul 26, 2014 19:28:51 GMT -8
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Post by Brakie on Jul 27, 2014 0:29:39 GMT -8
And no Chessie C&O in this batch even though the Chessie C&O units has sold out.
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Post by curtmc on Jul 27, 2014 6:06:26 GMT -8
New runs of Chessie GP40-2s were announced by both Athearn and Atlas...
Athearn in Genesis line is doing WM 4258 and 4261, and B&O 4444 and 1977 (sesquicentennial number which Atlas has already done) Last month in RTR line Athearn announced C&O 4263, 4270, and 4285.
Atlas is doing B&O 4340 and 4348, WM 4354, and C&O 4385 and 4390 (those are in new catalog as a Sept 2014 announcement)
At the rate of 9 a year in Athearn Genesis and Atlas Master lines they can combine to do all the prototype numbers in about 40 years...
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Post by curtmc on Jul 27, 2014 6:38:54 GMT -8
Larry, Athearn probably skipped C&O on this Genesis run because they had just announced the C&O Chessie GP40-2s in the RTR line last month. The WM Chessie 4258 and 4261 were among the few Chessie units to be delivered with strobe lights and Athearn will be doing that feature. The B&O 1977 and 4444 both have historical significance - the 1977 being the special sesquicentennial unit, and the 4444 (aka the quad four or Heartland Express unit) being the Chessie unit that led Ronald Reagan's Heartland Express reelection campaign train through Ohio in October 1984...
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Post by chessiegp39 on Jul 27, 2014 6:40:06 GMT -8
Curt. Can you please clarify on the Atlas order if, and I am assuming, the these will be in the Phase 2 body stile? I went looking on their site and they are yet to be listed as you did state Sept. catalog announcement. If true, I will cancel my order for the Athearn Genesis units as I much prefer the Atlas.
James
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Post by curtmc on Jul 27, 2014 6:54:22 GMT -8
James, Atlas announcement sheet does denote all of the new run as phase 2 and the C&O 4385 and 4390 as phase 2c. BTW, you can download the new Atlas catalog with all the coming announcements in it at www.atlasrr.com/catalog.htmNew GP40-2s are page 9-10.
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Post by atsfan on Jul 27, 2014 7:09:11 GMT -8
And no Chessie C&O in this batch even though the Chessie C&O units has sold out. I think the SD40 run has C&O Chessie?
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Post by Brakie on Jul 27, 2014 7:24:29 GMT -8
And no Chessie C&O in this batch even though the Chessie C&O units has sold out. I think the SD40 run has C&O Chessie? Only Chessie I seen was Chessie(WM) a good choice for Chessie (B&O) modelers since B&O used a lot of WM units..
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Post by chessiegp39 on Jul 27, 2014 8:00:10 GMT -8
Thanks for the info Curt. Now lets see if Atlas can keep to their schedule of 1st Q 2015. I hope so, but sounds like a long shot.
James
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Post by curtmc on Jul 27, 2014 8:19:05 GMT -8
You're welcome James...
Athearn new RTR SD40 announcement in Chessie is all WM numbers 7546-7549. C&O Chessie SD40s in various versions should (hopefully) be in later runs (as should be C&O blue, WM black, WM Circus...)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 12:47:51 GMT -8
How come there's so much Chessie and no Conrail. You would think it would be easy enough, they're the same engines, just with a different paint scheme/shell.
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Post by atsfan on Jul 27, 2014 13:19:08 GMT -8
How come there's so much Chessie and no Conrail. You would think it would be easy enough, they're the same engines, just with a different paint scheme/shell. Chessie Modelers have suffered for a long time. Let them enjoy their time now
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Post by Brakie on Jul 27, 2014 13:50:40 GMT -8
How come there's so much Chessie and no Conrail. You would think it would be easy enough, they're the same engines, just with a different paint scheme/shell. Chessie Modelers have suffered for a long time. Let them enjoy their time now Actually Chessie(C&O) modelers suffered the most..If you recall just about every Chessie engine was B&O with few WMs. IIRC Atlas was the first to start releasing Chessie (C&O).
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Post by curtmc on Jul 27, 2014 14:36:29 GMT -8
Larry, Athearn U23B/U30B (1970s), Athearn GP35 (first run in early 1970s had both B&O and C&O), Atlas/Roco GP40 (1970s), Kato SD40 (first run), Proto GP30 (first Chessies) were all C&O Chessie...
In modern times first Atlas GP40s in Chessie were B&O because the B&O ones were only GP40s same phase as the Atlas GP40 (phase 1) model. Atlas later released B&O and C&O Chessie in GP38.
As for the topic Chessie GP40-2s the breakdown of the 348 Chessie GP40-2s: 218 B&O (63%) 95 C&O (27%) 35 WM (10%)
That's why they want to do B&O Chessie GP40-2s... they were 63% of the Chessie GP40-2 fleet... (besides having heard from several manufacturer reps including Athearn that B&O Chessie sells higher numbers)
PS. Conrail had 129 GP40-2s... 219 fewer than Chessie had. The concentration on Chessie GP40-s is because they were such a predominant Chessie unit. From 1972 to 1981 Chessie bought 368 new locomotives from EMD and 348 of them (almost 95%) were GP40-2s. For more than a decade it was rare to see a Chessie train that didn't have at least 1 GP40-2, if not a full set, leading it.
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Post by bluedash2 on Jul 27, 2014 15:45:48 GMT -8
I agree Curt. Chessie fans had suffered longer and I'm mainly a CR guy. I just wish the Genesis GP38-2 would finally be done in CR. But hasn't CR been announced in the Genesis Line GP40-2's already?
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Post by Brakie on Jul 27, 2014 16:57:34 GMT -8
Larry, Athearn U23B/U30B (1970s), Athearn GP35 (first run in early 1970s had both B&O and C&O), Atlas/Roco GP40 (1970s), Kato SD40 (first run), Proto GP30 (first Chessies) were all C&O Chessie... In modern times first Atlas GP40s in Chessie were B&O because the B&O ones were only GP40s same phase as the Atlas GP40 (phase 1) model. Atlas later released B&O and C&O Chessie in GP38. As for the topic Chessie GP40-2s the breakdown of the 348 Chessie GP40-2s: 218 B&O (63%) 95 C&O (27%) 35 WM (10%) That's why they want to do B&O Chessie GP40-2s... they were 63% of the Chessie GP40-2 fleet... (besides having heard from several manufacturer reps including Athearn that B&O Chessie sells higher numbers) PS. Conrail had 129 GP40-2s... 219 fewer than Chessie had. The concentration on Chessie GP40-s is because they were such a predominant Chessie unit. From 1972 to 1981 Chessie bought 368 new locomotives from EMD and 348 of them (almost 95%) were GP40-2s. For more than a decade it was rare to see a Chessie train that didn't have at least 1 GP40-2, if not a full set, leading it. Curt,First thanks for the information..I plum forgot about those engines lettered for Chessie..The last BB engines I bought was a SW1500 and a SCL GP35 last winter..I needed the 35 to run with another BB GP35 other then that I would have passed. Now then. If Athearn releases a Chessie (C&O) and straight C&O SD40 I will need to look into buying one of each.
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Post by curtmc on Jul 27, 2014 17:39:19 GMT -8
Larry, I spoke to them in Cleveland about doing those (and was there when another asked for C&O)... Nice extended range dynamic SD40s in both Enchantment Blue and Chessie tri-color...
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Post by atsfan on Jul 27, 2014 17:53:12 GMT -8
I wonder why Athearn decided to do BNSF and not ATSF in blue and yellow. The BNSF unit is kinda niche compared to ATSF.
I expect the follow on runs to getting around to them.
Meanwhile the Kato units do well. Not sure why Kato just lets their tooling collect dust.
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Post by elsdp45 on Jul 27, 2014 21:25:38 GMT -8
Does anyone know if there are any more of the first run Genesis Chessie GP40-2's available? Most hobby shops I have looked at are sold out.
One other question kind of related. What color is the fuel tank and trucks on the older Enchantment Blue B&O and C&O locomotives before Chessie? Athearn and Atlas sometimes paint them blue and sometimes paint them black. Athearn's F7, GP9, and SD40 are blue. Their GP35 is black. Atlas's SD35 and GP40 are blue. Their GP38 is black. From the pictures I have seen, I would say blue is correct. Anybody know?
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Post by Brakie on Jul 28, 2014 2:39:24 GMT -8
Does anyone know if there are any more of the first run Genesis Chessie GP40-2's available? Most hobby shops I have looked at are sold out. One other question kind of related. What color is the fuel tank and trucks on the older Enchantment Blue B&O and C&O locomotives before Chessie? Athearn and Atlas sometimes paint them blue and sometimes paint them black. Athearn's F7, GP9, and SD40 are blue. Their GP35 is black. Atlas's SD35 and GP40 are blue. Their GP38 is black. From the pictures I have seen, I would say blue is correct. Anybody know? C&O fuel tank was Enchantment blue when freshly painted however,that fresh paint soon became coved in ballast dust,road grime,fuel stains and became weathered Enchantment Blue. As Curt mention on the old Atlas Forum matching Atlas Enchantment Blue paint is extremely hard.On my GP38s I used the closest match Flo Quil Enchantment Blue and let it go at that..
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