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Post by carrman on Nov 24, 2014 9:37:38 GMT -8
Cab sides look off, lettering is wrong on ACL, PC and NP models, ACL missing rear gyralight that Rivarossi included, handrails while round and plastic, mount to walkway tops and I don't think that's right.
Dave
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Nov 24, 2014 10:19:05 GMT -8
Donnell, It's not only because "Kadees work". A lot of couplers "work" for a time, even the cheap ones. Kadees work for decades. At my 76-year old club, we've been Kadee-only for half a century or better. We have a number of club-owned Athearn cars from a custom run we had done back in 1975 still on the layout. That's almost 40 years of continuous service with next to no maintenance.
Another reason is because the vast majority of HO modelers are already using Kadees. I personally own over a 1000 individual Kadee couplers. At my club, we have over 1300 engines on our roster and thousands of cars spread out over 70 members. The total number of Kadee (and Kadee-pattern) couplers amongst just our club members alone must be close to 10,000.
Releasing a product that is equipped with non-compatible couplers seems like a non-starter to me, and that's the problem. Improving the looks of the HO knuckle coupler results in the Sergent. And while it's a great looking coupler, it's not truly compatible with a Kadee.
Will this new coupler from KBM be compatible and work well? Who knows?
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Post by theengineshed on Nov 24, 2014 12:38:29 GMT -8
That's a rather strange video on their website, the U25Cs bouncing back and forth on the test track...
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Post by atsfan on Nov 24, 2014 12:41:36 GMT -8
Kadee couplers work And keep working And the work longer
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Post by mkulak on Nov 25, 2014 13:39:51 GMT -8
From Korea Brass Facebook page: Sungoh Cho We would be to notice you that we are keep going on the producing of the HO" U25c and it will release of them a little bit delay only because it was released the other company by competitor and it did not dead the HO" U25c as like the rumor. We don't want to say on the former employee's, but, he did not resigned by himself and he did not returned the any data to office. Also, we can not updated because we did not had the Password for this facebook. So, Please read from www.korea-brass.com. Thank you. Ha! Normal big corporate bull! it is not out fault, it is the employees fault, just like US companies that go out of Business or have problems, employees at fault, payroll to high, not enough sales, and so on. It will always be the employees fault, not all the middle managers who suck up and don't do a damn thing but drink coffee and cause problems, or the CEO, COO, etc who are raking in a multi-million paycheck every year and who's biggest idea of the year was to change the company logo! KBM you blew it, you would have had the sales and a new foot in the door in the US but your middle managers and screwed up business pratices sunk your boat right out of port! and now you come back with the excuses and playing the blame game, your preaching to the wrong people!
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Post by WP 257 on Nov 25, 2014 14:10:26 GMT -8
mkulak--
Ouch.
Dude, you just described my American engineering firm to a "t"! We have "higher than average" employee turnover, but when they leave, it's always always always the employee's fault, because there's never anything wrong with this (1000 person) consulting engineering firm. We require our engineering staff to complete "exit interviews", which nobody in management ever reads (as I can verify after I helped a coworker with her sexual harrassment complaint against her former boss--mgmt. claimed they never saw the exit interview that I had copies of). (They can't get rid of me, yet, because they can't find or afford a replacement that can do what I can do.)
Why do an exit interview at all if the company is never going to learn anything from it?
Sorry for rant. You just described the current state of consulting engineering in America. Dilbert's writer also worked in Silicon Valley as an engineer, for a time.
Back to train topic.
anonymous project engineer--one reason I never sign my real name
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Post by mkulak on Nov 25, 2014 15:44:53 GMT -8
mkulak-- Ouch. Dude, you just described my American engineering firm to a "t"! We have "higher than average" employee turnover, but when they leave, it's always always always the employee's fault, because there's never anything wrong with this (1000 person) consulting engineering firm. We require our engineering staff to complete "exit interviews", which nobody in management ever reads (as I can verify after I helped a coworker with her sexual harrassment complaint against her former boss--mgmt. claimed they never saw the exit interview that I had copies of). (They can't get rid of me, yet, because they can't find or afford a replacement that can do what I can do.) Why do an exit interview at all if the company is never going to learn anything from it? Sorry for rant. You just described the current state of consulting engineering in America. Dilbert's writer also worked in Silicon Valley as an engineer, for a time. Back to train topic. anonymous project engineer--one reason I never sign my real name Sorry to get up on my soap box but nothing get me more mad than when a company blames the employee for their mistakes. I have worked in the retail part of our economy for over 30 years and have seen nothing but the same, middle managements wastes who should be out the door and top brass who come in expecting their **** to kissed and do nothing to improve the company except come up with dumb ideas which fail after a few weeks. The company I work for was bought out by a larger chain, we were in the green and doing fine, 3 years later we were in bankruptcy and it was all the employees fault, while the CEO who screwed everything up was fired but was given a huge severance package! for what? now we try a squeeze through every day with less people and more work! OK, I will put the box away and get back to trains thanks for listening to my rantings!
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Post by WP 257 on Nov 25, 2014 16:20:57 GMT -8
mkulak--
No worries. Glad we can have a place to vent a few of these things without fear of...
I felt the exact same way as you when I read the original comment from Korea Brass. It does not make me want to buy their product, even if it ever sees the light of day.
Also, Hornby's product turned out to be much better than the earlier samples, and while I'm maybe not 100% thrilled with the square handrails, I can admire Hornby's novel approach to providing some really durable HO handrails. Although I'm not a "GE guy" per se, I still may end up buying at least one of the Hornby units just to have one, and because they do seem to be pretty cool. I also think they did a nice job of paint work.
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Post by thebessemerkid on Nov 26, 2014 7:47:44 GMT -8
That website is... ugh Anyway, showing $189 for preorder (direct? Sound? Who knows) Someone else can be the guinea pig. ..
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Post by madlatvian on Nov 26, 2014 8:22:56 GMT -8
Hi Kid,
I saw on their website that all they will be offering is non-sound units- who knows how hard it will be to convert. Looking at the PC picture you posted- two things strike me right off the bat- they can't even make the effort to have the unit on the track (look at front truck)and the big thing- the train control box (my apologies if I called it the wrong name) behind the cab is totally missing. Also- the plastic handrails look, well, like bent plastic- at least Hornby/Rivarossi, with their metal ones keep the handrails straight and true. The Rivarossi trucks also look a lot better.
Just got my December Model Railroad News and they show the Rivarossi units on the cover and have a pretty good review inside.
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Post by atsfan on Nov 26, 2014 9:14:06 GMT -8
That website is... ugh Anyway, showing $189 for preorder (direct? Sound? Who knows) Someone else can be the guinea pig. .. YiKES
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 9:26:12 GMT -8
That website is... ugh Anyway, showing $189 for preorder (direct? Sound? Who knows) Someone else can be the guinea pig. .. Maybe it will look better in person. I'm not seeing it though in photos.
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Post by WP 257 on Nov 26, 2014 10:28:49 GMT -8
Based upon the photo of the PC unit above, I actually would prefer to buy the Hornby one. For me it would be an easy choice.
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Post by theengineshed on Nov 26, 2014 14:00:42 GMT -8
That website is... ugh Anyway, showing $189 for preorder (direct? Sound? Who knows) Someone else can be the guinea pig. .. Your Korean must be better than mine, I couldn't find the photos. The biggest improvement I see over the Rivarossi is the dynamic brake grids. They show up quite well on the KB in this photo, they should be more prominent on the Rivarossi. Other than that...
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Post by roadkill on Nov 26, 2014 18:09:16 GMT -8
Quite frankly the PICTURE of this model sucks. Too poorly focused to make a decision IMHO. Again IMHO the handrails on the Rivarossi make it a no-go for me.
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