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Post by sd80mac on Aug 28, 2014 14:01:35 GMT -8
Was reading the announcement today for the "new run" of GP40-2s. Got looking at the numbers, they're the same numbers as the last run! At least the Conrail's are. I'm wondering why they did this? Other than the Gold Series now comes with Loksound, what's the difference?
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Post by riogrande on Aug 28, 2014 14:32:53 GMT -8
Could that be a mistake? Subsequent runs should have new numbers. That's a no brainer!
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Post by edwardsutorik on Aug 28, 2014 16:25:59 GMT -8
SP and WP are being offered with new numbers. The others, according to the announcement, are new paint schemes. Maybe they are. Maybe they aren't. I dunno.
Ed
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Post by atsfan on Aug 28, 2014 17:10:25 GMT -8
The Conrail ones have the same numbers and paint jobs as the run before.
Per looking at the pictures.
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Post by grabbem88 on Aug 28, 2014 18:38:52 GMT -8
You guys are both right and Atlas dropped the ball half cocked with the main change is motor and different supplier of sound decoder.. Kinda moot deal really questionable motor with a great decoder with copy and paste roads..
The 38's are going to be the same way but Matt did do a revise/upgrade on the sound file for the non turbo 645
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Post by wp8thsub on Aug 28, 2014 18:57:37 GMT -8
The WP units have nose lights, thus representing the second order (3550-3559). The previous Atlas run were numbers from the first order (3545-3549) delivered without the extra lights.
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Post by djh4d on Aug 29, 2014 5:29:24 GMT -8
I wonder how these will compare with the new Athearn Genesis GP40-2.
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Post by carrman on Aug 29, 2014 7:24:10 GMT -8
I wonder how these will compare with the new Athearn Genesis GP40-2. -Dave They'll fall short. Dave |
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Post by markfj on Aug 29, 2014 9:02:44 GMT -8
The new Genesis GP40-2s are currently available, so maybe someone who already has one can post some pictures. From what we’ve seen and read about the quality of Athearn’s new geeps, my money will be going to Genesis locomotives. The Atlas release of previous road numbers could simply be a “knee jerk” marketing reaction to Athearn’s new GP40-2s. There are still those buyers who want good locomotives, but don’t need or want to pay for Genesis quality. If/when Athearn does another run with their phase 1s in Reading paint , I think my NIB Atlas gold units are going to hit eBay.  |
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Post by markfj on Aug 29, 2014 9:03:02 GMT -8
Also, don't forget that if Atlas didn't retool the cabs, you'll still be dealing with the short window issue that seem to drive everyone mad on the old Atlas forums. Does anyone remember that debat?
Mark
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Post by riogrande on Aug 29, 2014 9:54:05 GMT -8
I remember someone commenting that the cab side windows were not the correct size - but I never did any direct comparisons myself.
I am planning on picking up several of the new D&RGW Genesis GP40-2's when they arrive this fall, and for now plan on keeping my Atlas version, which have different numbers.
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Post by wp8thsub on Aug 29, 2014 10:06:33 GMT -8
I wonder how these will compare with the new Athearn Genesis GP40-2. I have examples of both the previous run from Atlas and the latest Genesis. The Genesis units have more accurate dimensions, but the Atlas run better and have fewer QC issues. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Aug 29, 2014 10:48:52 GMT -8
There are still those buyers who want good locomotives, but don’t need or want to pay for Genesis quality. In this particular case (Genesis-Atlas), the price difference is essentially zero. So, ya don't have to pay for Genesis quality. Ed |
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Post by riogrande on Aug 29, 2014 12:32:25 GMT -8
I am looking forward to the GP40-2 from Genesis. They are offered with Tsunami sound vs. QSI on the Atlas - I don't have any Tsunami yet and plan on picking up at least one sound version this fall. The snowplows should be correct on the Genesis geep vs. the incorrect Atlas plow (not terribly difficult to correct), new road numbers, plus the last phase D&RGW GP40-2 #3129 and 3130 will be offered.
My Atlas GP40-2's street price were $95 non-sound and $155 with sound. The Genesis GP40-2 should be around $130 non-sound, and around $200 with sound, approximately. I imagine the Atlas units have gone up in price since then so maybe prices are closer now.
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Post by ironrails on Aug 29, 2014 13:55:59 GMT -8
riogrande:
Actually, the latest Atlas GP40-2 announcement shows the continued trend to using the LokSound Select for sound instead of QSI in the Gold series locomotives. Whether that is an improvement I can't say, not having heard a LokSound,
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Post by wpmow on Aug 29, 2014 14:04:08 GMT -8
Come now- Genesis GP40-2 ,what's up with the #board lighting? Atlas does light up! My choice is Atlas WP gps. I've more atlas as for the sound/control like that very much. For all other GP40's Atlas/Loksound. Have a D&RGW in the big box Riogrande , nice.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Aug 29, 2014 14:31:57 GMT -8
I've got Loksound in my Atlas S-2 and Bowser S-12. I think it's GREAT.
But how Loksound and Tsunami compare in a GP40-2, I can't say. But me previous sentence leads me to believe the Loksound will be quite good. At least.
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Post by riogrande on Aug 29, 2014 14:45:07 GMT -8
riogrande: Actually, the latest Atlas GP40-2 announcement shows the continued trend to using the LokSound Select for sound instead of QSI in the Gold series locomotives. Whether that is an improvement I can't say, not having heard a LokSound, Regards, Mike For me the LokSound is a moot point since no D&RGW GP40-2's coming from Atlas right now. What are coming are 4 numbers this fall from Athearn Genesis. IF Atlas offers more D&RGW, I'll decide then if I need more, which right now I'm thinking between the 6 Atlas I have and 3 or 4 more Genesis, should be enough. BTW, here is a youtube video of a D&RGW Railblazer pulled by 2 Atlas GP40-2's: I've pretty much got this train between the engines, a set of Impack Spine cars, most of those trailers and of course not on this train, 89's TT flat cars. Cheers, Jim |
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Post by sd80macs on Aug 29, 2014 15:07:25 GMT -8
The Conrail ones have the same numbers and paint jobs as the run before. Per looking at the pictures. I Emailed Atlas about the CR numbers and they have been changed now. |
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Post by grabbem88 on Aug 29, 2014 16:06:39 GMT -8
The loksound gp40-2 sound file is light years better than qsi but its hard to beat tsunami sound file so with nothing drastic and basically reprints and new numbers ....the Genesis is the winner for me even with the crappy bulbs
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Post by atsfan on Aug 29, 2014 17:08:24 GMT -8
I wonder how these will compare with the new Athearn Genesis GP40-2. I have examples of both the previous run from Atlas and the latest Genesis. The Genesis units have more accurate dimensions, but the Atlas run better and have fewer QC issues. I have the Athearn units. They run flawlessly and have no QC issues. Hard for Atlas to best none. |
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Post by wp8thsub on Aug 29, 2014 21:20:15 GMT -8
I have the Athearn units. They run flawlessly and have no QC issues. Hard for Atlas to best none. The best part of my Genesis GP40-2 was this:  Shown on the bottom is a normal Genesis wheel. The one just above it is the wheelset assembly from the factory. The overall flange diameter is the same on that center wheel, but the tread was turned about 1/16" too small in diameter. The wheelset was in gauge, but thanks to the defective wheel it bounced through frogs and derailed on code 70 track. Fortunately I was able to obtain a spare wheel from a buddy who had a wrecked Genesis F unit so I didn't have to return mine to Athearn. With the wheelset fixed, the loco works fine, but is noticeably noisier than the Atlas mechanisms, and not quite as smooth yet at slow speeds. |
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Post by carrman on Aug 29, 2014 22:09:43 GMT -8
Come now- Genesis GP40-2 ,what's up with the #board lighting? Atlas does light up! My choice is Atlas WP gps. I've more atlas as for the sound/control like that very much. For all other GP40's Atlas/Loksound. Have a D&RGW in the big box Riogrande , nice. John Buy an SP version and then turn on the gyralight. Then tell me how cool the lit numberboards are as they flash in time with the gyralight, as they both use the same LED. Dave |
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Post by atsfan on Aug 30, 2014 5:26:22 GMT -8
I have the Athearn units. They run flawlessly and have no QC issues. Hard for Atlas to best none. The best part of my Genesis GP40-2 was this: Shown on the bottom is a normal Genesis wheel. The one just above it is the wheelset assembly from the factory. The overall flange diameter is the same on that center wheel, but the tread was turned about 1/16" too small in diameter. The wheelset was in gauge, but thanks to the defective wheel it bounced through frogs and derailed on code 70 track. Fortunately I was able to obtain a spare wheel from a buddy who had a wrecked Genesis F unit so I didn't have to return mine to Athearn. With the wheelset fixed, the loco works fine, but is noticeably noisier than the Atlas mechanisms, and not quite as smooth yet at slow speeds. I have not had any problems And since people pay money to put noise into their engines, another decibel of sound is meaningless. |
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Post by wp8thsub on Aug 30, 2014 7:40:16 GMT -8
I have not had any problems And since people pay money to put noise into their engines, another decibel of sound is meaningless. It's all subjective. I've had a couple operators comment on how my Genesis mechanism is louder than Atlas. Ditto for the relative lack of smoothness in low speed operation (and the more it runs the better it gets). It's not a huge difference in either case, but definitely not just me noticing. I'd say the issues with the Athearn unit wouldn't affect whether I'd buy another as it's still OK overall, but if somebody asks about my experiences with both models I'll tell them and they can decide what to do. |
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Post by TBird1958 on Aug 30, 2014 9:34:58 GMT -8
I think the Atlas mechanism (at least the older ones) is very nice, super smooth and quiet, likely one of the very best runners out there. The rest of it has some problems, aside from the afore mentioned cab it's sill and fuel tank leave a lot to be desired in terms of shape and even the ability to be modified into better components. I have four Genesis Rio Grande units on order with my LHS and I'll shoot a few pics after they arrive and we'll see how Athearn's QC is too.
FWIW I have 6 of the older Red box Atlas GP-40's that I like quite a lot, tho they were a fair bit of work to bring up to what I felt was an acceptable model.
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Post by markfj on Aug 31, 2014 4:47:44 GMT -8
The new Genesis GP40-2s are currently available, so maybe someone who already has one can post some pictures. From what we’ve seen and read about the quality of Athearn’s new geeps, my money will be going to Genesis locomotives. The Atlas release of previous road numbers could simply be a “knee jerk” marketing reaction to Athearn’s new GP40-2s. There are still those buyers who want good locomotives, but don’t need or want to pay for Genesis quality. If/when Athearn does another run with their phase 1s in Reading paint , I think my NIB Atlas gold units are going to hit eBay. Looks like someone else had the same idea! EBay auction for Atlas Gold GP40-2 in ReadingWith 12 watchers, I would say there is still interest in the Atlas Geeps. It will be interesting to see the outcome of this auction. Thank, Mark |
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Post by djh4d on Aug 31, 2014 7:06:49 GMT -8
The new Genesis GP40-2s are currently available, so maybe someone who already has one can post some pictures. From what we’ve seen and read about the quality of Athearn’s new geeps, my money will be going to Genesis locomotives. The Atlas release of previous road numbers could simply be a “knee jerk” marketing reaction to Athearn’s new GP40-2s. There are still those buyers who want good locomotives, but don’t need or want to pay for Genesis quality. If/when Athearn does another run with their phase 1s in Reading paint , I think my NIB Atlas gold units are going to hit eBay. Looks like someone else had the same idea! EBay auction for Atlas Gold GP40-2 in ReadingWith 12 watchers, I would say there is still interest in the Atlas Geeps. It will be interesting to see the outcome of this auction. Thank, Mark Interesting. I have a Atlas Gold GP-38 I need to dump. I was waiting for model railroading season to start, but it seems demand is stronger than I thought. -Dave |
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Post by riogrande on Aug 31, 2014 7:19:44 GMT -8
FWIW I have 6 of the older Red box Atlas GP-40's that I like quite a lot, tho they were a fair bit of work to bring up to what I felt was an acceptable model. I imagine the "fair bit of work" you are referring to has to do with the nose signal light adding on - which isn't easy to add and have it look good/right. I've seen so many over the years in magazines that didn't look good that so far I have held off on doing my 6 of the old red box small herald Rio Grande GP40's. Seeing your work, I imagine yours come out looking spot on - but I don't have your skills unfortunately but can recognize a good thing when I see it! The KC Orange ex-Conrail never had the nose light so those are off the hook! |
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Post by grabbem88 on Aug 31, 2014 9:18:59 GMT -8
Pic of ex conrail kc?? Wanna see
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