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Post by snailtrail on Aug 29, 2014 12:02:48 GMT -8
The Atlas online store is showing the next run of the Alco S-2 Roadnames are - Alaska Railroad Canadian National Central Vermont Grand Trunk Western Lehigh Valley Milwaukee Road Rio Grande Seaboard Coast Line Union Pacific It looks like undecorated models will not be offered in the second run. shop.atlasrr.com/c-538-h78.aspx?pagenum=2
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Post by edwardsutorik on Aug 29, 2014 12:42:51 GMT -8
I'm very happy with my Atlas GN S-2, except for the wrong sideframes.
That won't likely be a problem with the Union Pacific ones. As painted, they'll be good from about 1955 to the early '60's.
The Atlas S-2 is a good bit heavier than the Bowser S-12, and so should be a better puller. Someday, I'm going to look inside the S-12, to see if I can add weight. And most likely the Alco, too. I've got an Overland C-415 that I added weight to, and it was sorting out 35 car cuts.
Ed
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Aug 30, 2014 7:48:25 GMT -8
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Post by lajrmdlr on Aug 30, 2014 7:50:53 GMT -8
I'm very happy with my Atlas GN S-2, except for the wrong sideframes. Ed Ed Talked w/ Atlas last month & they will be coming out w/ the S-4 that should have the AAR Type A trucks. If Atlas offers those trucks thru Parts maybe you can get them then. Anyone know if the old Atlas ALCO switcher trucks work w/ the new ones?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 9:02:17 GMT -8
Because, by the time the units were repainted with the Empire Builder style lettering, the Blunt trucks had been changed out with Type A's. Ed has a photo of one of the GN S-2's in the simplified scheme with the Type B's. I used to have slides of the S-2's in the EB scheme with Type A's, but the slides are sold and the scans were lost with a hard drive explosion.
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Post by Spikre on Aug 30, 2014 10:10:01 GMT -8
Jimaloooey, weren't the trucks Type "A" from retired Baldwins ? seem to recall something like that from a previous thread. Ed, these models are All New and don't use any of the Roco parts from the earlier Atlas S line. look at the HH locos for what the trucks will be similar to. Spikre
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 13:52:54 GMT -8
Jimaloooey, weren't the trucks Type "A" from retired Baldwins ? seem to recall something like that from a previous thread. Ed, these models are All New and don't use any of the Roco parts from the earlier Atlas S line. look at the HH locos for what the trucks will be similar to. Spikre You're correct Type B is the road truck and Type A is the switcher truck.
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Aug 30, 2014 14:05:54 GMT -8
If you read the GN Railway Historical Society page in the 2nd link I posted, it says, "Although Alco S-2 switchers were built with Blunt trucks, some of the GN S-2's were known to have acquired AAR trucks as used on the model S-4 Alco switchers." Note that they didn't say all. If only the EB-type font was applied to the re-trucked units, then okay. But if not all GN S-2's were retrucked, is it possible that some of those w/ Blunt trucks were re-lettered? Obviously, I have no idea.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 15:33:33 GMT -8
If you read the GN Railway Historical Society page in the 2nd link I posted, it says, "Although Alco S-2 switchers were built with Blunt trucks, some of the GN S-2's were known to have acquired AAR trucks as used on the model S-4 Alco switchers." Note that they didn't say all. If only the EB-type font was applied to the re-trucked units, then okay. But if not all GN S-2's were retrucked, is it possible that some of those w/ Blunt trucks were re-lettered? Obviously, I have no idea. Atlas did the 1 and 4. Both got Type A's. That is Ed's rub.
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Post by BEDT26 on Aug 30, 2014 23:02:22 GMT -8
If these are the road names for the next run, then I am disappointed that Atlas hasn't considered doing Long Island in the MTA scheme and PENN CENTRAL. I can't never understand how these manufacturers think. :-(
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Post by scl1234 on Sept 2, 2014 6:06:07 GMT -8
Projected delivery known yet? Since these aren't shown in New Product section, I'll assume 1Q 2015 at the earliest.
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Post by Spikre on Sept 2, 2014 12:37:31 GMT -8
BEDT26, PC is a simple paint job,strip one of these units and be the 1st on Your block with a PC S-2. should be easy to find some PC decals. Edit: see the next Post for a better reason to do a PC unit, undecs will be available !! Edit 2- did Atlas ever do PC on the original Roco based S-2/4s ? Spikre
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Post by marknycfan on Sept 2, 2014 13:15:07 GMT -8
I downloaded the catalog, they are doing undec's again
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Post by leikec on Sept 3, 2014 18:33:24 GMT -8
I would love to see someone do a Manufactuer's Rwy Alco switcher.
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Sept 3, 2014 21:51:05 GMT -8
I would love to see someone do a Manufactuer's Rwy Alco switcher. Jeff C Atlas did a Manufacturers Ry S2 in the late 90s but it was before their website so it isn't on there as a past model. It took me a lot of hacking around the Web, but I got mine mail-order from some hobby shop that still had "new old stock" in 2006. Every now and then one will show up on EvilBay.
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Post by leikec on Sept 4, 2014 8:57:38 GMT -8
I had no idea that a Manny S-2 had been made...but I wasn't very active in trains for a while during the time period you mentioned.
I'll start checking the bay....
Jeff C
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Sept 4, 2014 9:47:16 GMT -8
FWIW, Atlas also did their MP15DC in two different #s of Manufacturers Ry, back around 2007.
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Post by leikec on Sept 4, 2014 10:22:12 GMT -8
FWIW, Atlas also did their MP15DC in two different #s of Manufacturers Ry, back around 2007. I've got one of those (252?). Never could find the other number. I've also searched high and low for the O scale 3R MP15dc in Manny colors...so far impossible to find. Jeff C
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Post by snailtrail on Mar 12, 2016 20:15:17 GMT -8
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Mar 12, 2016 20:31:17 GMT -8
Definitely have to pick up a couple of the Fonda, Johnstown & Gloversville units for my unofficial "Funky Shortlines of New York State" collection.
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Post by lajrmdlr on Mar 12, 2016 21:19:45 GMT -8
Having done some reading on ALCO S-2s & S-4s, learned that GN put AAR Type A like come on S-4s on some of their S-2s. So to be accurate w/ any models check pix of them.
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Post by routerock on Mar 13, 2016 7:10:47 GMT -8
I would be nice if they would come out with the LAJ engines
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Post by BEDT26 on Mar 14, 2016 10:27:22 GMT -8
Now I'm glad that PENN CENTRAL and the FJ&G RR ALCO S2's are being made. :-) (Not my photos)
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Post by lajrmdlr on Mar 14, 2016 17:14:58 GMT -8
It would be nice if they would come out with the LAJ engines Asked them before & they want to be sure they can sell at least 1000! Don't think there's more that 50 people that model the LAJ even in the LA area. But they could do the S-2 & S-4 versions. Had some decals made to do mine but only the numbers & LAJ lettering. But the zebra stripes are white & only about 1/2 the size of Santa Fe's. So have bought a bunch of Microscale N scale 60-1161 decal sets. And they should be painted Santa Fe blue w/ white zebra stripes. Some say they are black but have more pix showing them blue than black. And have seen the builder's plate of #4 & it's definitely BLUE! Here's No. 1 working:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 21:42:45 GMT -8
It would be nice if they would come out with the LAJ engines Asked them before & they want to be sure they can sell at least 1000! Don't think there's more that 50 people that model the LAJ even in the LA area. But they could do the S-2 & S-4 versions. Had some decals made to do mine but only the numbers & LAJ lettering. But the zebra stripes are white & only about 1/2 the size of Santa Fe's. So have bought a bunch of Microscale N scale 60-1161 decal sets. And they should be painted Santa Fe blue w/ white zebra stripes. Some say they are black but have more pix showing them blue than black. And have seen the builder's plate of #4 & it's definitely BLUE! Here's No. 1 working: I know LAJ's Alco switchers were supposedly ATSF blue*... (we went over this a few years ago on another forum & offline)... Since then, has anyone found photos of LAJ's S-2s or S-4s that looks to be the same blue as parent ATSF used? Not the extremely dark N&W "Pevlar"-like blue or almost-black that shows up in every LAJ photo I've seen? (and I have dozens). There are 1000's of contemporary photos of ATSF units that are obviously blue, so there should be some photos from sunnny SoCal of LAJ units that show the same range of "blueness" as those ATSF units. Just one photo would be enough. It would make sense that LAJ units were painted ATSF blue, seeing how ATSF was the parent company and their Redondo shops were just couple miles away. But then again...ATSF's previous paint scheme was the black & aluminum (or rarely, white) "zebra" switcher & roadswitcher scheme which was used during the 1950s while the LAJ units were supposedly painted ATSF blue. Oddly, during that period ATSF applied blue only to freight cab units. I don't give any weight to what an ex-employee said about the LAJ colors, memories fade worse than photos (A few Brunswick green battles still rage to this date, pitting brother against brother... etc). I'm not saying LAJ Alcos weren't ATSF blue, it's just odd that so many photos taken by different photographers, in different years, under different conditions all(?) look very dark, like a blue version of Brunswick green (aka DBLE). I'd like to model an LAJ S-4, the ry served a very interesting area also criss-crossed by PE, SP, ATSF, and UP. I worked the UP East LA -LAJ "A" Yard transfer job quite a few times. *Typical ATSF blue unit. Which looks, blue:
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Post by Spikre on Mar 16, 2016 10:33:55 GMT -8
it could be that ATSF painted the Blue over a Yellow bottom coat,this could make a difference in how the color appears. this made a difference when EMD painted the same color over different roads "Base" color,white,yellow,gray, silver,gold...etc. but turned out the top color started the same as a different road,but looked different later before fading started in. never been to LA,so never seen those units,but have been to Lower Alabama. Spikre
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Post by stevewagner on Mar 16, 2016 11:48:20 GMT -8
The Fonda, Johnstown & Gloversville S-2's pose a real temptation for me.
But I'm hoping that in the NEXT, yet to be announced run of the improved S-2's Atlas will include at least one Delaware & Hudson switcher, complete with end stripes, in the only livery they ever wore. If and when they do I'll get one and sell off my older version.
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Post by lajrmdlr on Mar 17, 2016 7:34:54 GMT -8
Asked them before & they want to be sure they can sell at least 1000! Don't think there's more that 50 people that model the LAJ even in the LA area. But they could do the S-2 & S-4 versions. Had some decals made to do mine but only the numbers & LAJ lettering. But the zebra stripes are white & only about 1/2 the size of Santa Fe's. So have bought a bunch of Microscale N scale 60-1161 decal sets. And they should be painted Santa Fe blue w/ white zebra stripes. Some say they are black but have more pix showing them blue than black. And have seen the builder's plate of #4 & it's definitely BLUE! Here's No. 1 working: I know LAJ's Alco switchers were supposedly ATSF blue*... (we went over this a few years ago on another forum & offline)... Since then, has anyone found photos of LAJ's S-2s or S-4s that looks to be the same blue as parent ATSF used? Not the extremely dark N&W "Pevlar"-like blue or almost-black that shows up in every LAJ photo I've seen? (and I have dozens). There are 1000's of contemporary photos of ATSF units that are obviously blue, so there should be some photos from sunnny SoCal of LAJ units that show the same range of "blueness" as those ATSF units. Just one photo would be enough. It would make sense that LAJ units were painted ATSF blue, seeing how ATSF was the parent company and their Redondo shops were just couple miles away. But then again...ATSF's previous paint scheme was the black & aluminum (or rarely, white) "zebra" switcher & roadswitcher scheme which was used during the 1950s while the LAJ units were supposedly painted ATSF blue. Oddly, during that period ATSF applied blue only to freight cab units. I don't give any weight to what an ex-employee said about the LAJ colors, memories fade worse than photos (A few Brunswick green battles still rage to this date, pitting brother against brother... etc). I'm not saying LAJ Alcos weren't ATSF blue, it's just odd that so many photos taken by different photographers, in different years, under different conditions all(?) look very dark, like a blue version of Brunswick green (aka DBLE). I'd like to model an LAJ S-4, the ry served a very interesting area also criss-crossed by PE, SP, ATSF, and UP. I worked the UP East LA -LAJ "A" Yard transfer job quite a few times. *Typical ATSF blue unit. Which looks, blue: For those that don't know, LAJ was owned by Santa Fe. The "difference" between the LAJ & Santa Fe blue is because Santa Fe's blue was painted over yellow & LAJ's blue was painted over black. All LAJ ever had to do to get Santa Fe blue was to go up to Hobart Yard about 1/2 mile to get the blue paint.
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Post by lajrmdlr on Mar 17, 2016 8:07:31 GMT -8
omaharoad When you took cars to the LAJ A Yard, did you pick up cars from their B Yard? Back in your day there were B Yard tracks for each of the four interchange RRs. Picked up a BNSF train from LAJ about 16 years ago & we had to double over 3 or more times to put together a 100 +/- car train.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2016 9:53:29 GMT -8
omaharoad When you took cars to the LAJ A Yard, did you pick up cars from their B Yard? Back in your day there were B Yard tracks for each of the four interchange RRs. Picked up a BNSF train from LAJ about 16 years ago & we had to double over 3 or more times to put together a 100 +/- car train. I don't think we ever left the (relatively) big "A" yard just east of Downey Rd. Where the office & loco facility are. We'd usually deliver & take one track, there was always the next transfer... Did the "B" yard have yard air? Did you take the BNSF train to Hobart? Four interchange RRS?
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