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Post by iccn1000 on Sept 26, 2014 10:00:02 GMT -8
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Post by mlehman on Sept 26, 2014 11:48:54 GMT -8
Well, new is relative. Lots of new paint, definitely.  It's a good thing, as my wallet is pretty temptation proof right now. |
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Post by stevewagner on Sept 26, 2014 11:54:37 GMT -8
Today's Athearn announcement of most interest to modelers of the Delaware & Hudson is of Ready To Roll SD45's representing all three of the D&H's locos of that type in the lightning stripe livery they wore when they became the D&H's first EMD units in 1967. Athearn had previously produced RTR models of the same three locos in the modified Erie Lackawanna livery they wore after the D&H got them back in 1976 from the EL, to which it had traded them for three GE U33C's. In that run Athearn correctly had L-shaped windshields on the 802 and 803, which had been built with that feature as EMD demonstrators, while the 801 had a standard front window. The .pdf sheet for the new run states that all three D&H models will have the unusual L-shaped front window. I'll point out to Athearn that the model of the 801 shouldn't have that and hope that others will do the same. The models aren't expected until next June, so there's plenty of time to make the correction.
Not so incidentally, this time the Ready To Roll SD45's are being offered with as well as without sound DCC controllers by Soundtraxx.
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Post by Spikre on Sept 26, 2014 12:06:41 GMT -8
 Steve, didn't the 3 D&H/Demos have the large Air Intake on the Engineers side ? is Athearn modeling that ? can still recall the first "Run In" with an 800 at Suffern/Hillburn Yard was wondering why EL was renumbering the 3600s ?!! the 800s are gone,the Ford Mahwah Plant is Gone,was always a good spot to find some EL action. Spikre 
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Post by ambluco on Sept 26, 2014 12:30:44 GMT -8
I thought there were differences between the three?
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Post by riogrande on Sept 26, 2014 12:42:06 GMT -8
The only item in here I might be tempted to get is a Kodachrome SP SD45.
I'm still waiting for more 45' Fruehauf Trailers - a rep indicated they would be announcing more later this year. I guess it's not late enough yet.
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Post by stevewagner on Sept 26, 2014 13:18:06 GMT -8
Ambluco, there was at least this difference between the D&H's three SD45's: the 802 and 803 had been built with the L-shaped front window, and the 801 had been built with a standard windshield.
I e-mailed Athearn from their website a few minutes ago, pointing out that they'd gotten this right a few years ago on the models with the modified EL paint scheme, and I checked a box indicating that I'd like to get a response; we'll see how the firm answers.
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Post by Spikre on Sept 26, 2014 17:27:44 GMT -8
 Steve, am looking at the Hundman SD45 Diesel Data Book. it says all 4 EMD Demos had the same details,large Air Intake on the Engineers side of the long hood, "L" shaped windshields. 4351 went to IC as number 7000,it is on the cover and has both features. 4352 became D&H 802. 4353 became D&H 803 4354 became D&H 801. only EL 803 is shown on page 14,it does Not have the Large Air Intake, but does have the "L" windshield. did EL change the Air Intake ? since 2 EL SDP45s are IDed as SD45s am being cautious with the info in the book,also the book has the messed up Roster notes that the Mainline article had. will look thru the EL books here later and try to sort the info out. 803 is shown as back on D&H in 1977,it has the Standard Tall Fans,Dust Bin,and the Horn is on top center of the cab.it seemed to run fine that way on all EL lines,so why did EL specify the Low Profile Package ? Spikre
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 17:44:02 GMT -8
Steve, am looking at the Hundman SD45 Diesel Data Book. it says all 4 EMD Demos had the same details,large Air Intake on the Engineers side of the long hood, "L" shaped windshields. 4351 went to IC as number 7000,it is on the cover and has both features. 4352 became D&H 802. 4353 became D&H 803 4354 became D&H 801. only EL 803 is shown on page 14,it does Not have the Large Air Intake, but does have the "L" windshield. did EL change the Air Intake ? since 2 EL SDP45s are IDed as SD45s am being cautious with the info in the book,also the book has the messed up Roster notes that the Mainline article had. will look thru the EL books here later and try to sort the info out. 803 is shown as back on D&H in 1977,it has the Standard Tall Fans,Dust Bin,and the Horn is on top center of the cab.it seemed to run fine that way on all EL lines,so why did EL specify the Low Profile Package ? Spikre EMD 4352 in demo paint. It has the normal air intake. www.ebay.com/itm/EMD-SD-45-Demonstrator-4352-slide-3-/291245035815?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43cf8e9127EMD 4353, normal size. www.csx606.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=673702Off the top of my head, only the 4351 / IC 7000 had the large intake (right side only) Here are photos of it at EMD with the normal and the large intake on the right side. www.rrpicturearchives.net/locopicture.aspx?id=111328Curious why the Hundman book says all four had large intakes. |
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Post by WP 257 on Sept 26, 2014 19:59:16 GMT -8
Wasn't the left side air intake on IC 7000 longer than standard, even though not as tall vertically as the right side???
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Post by WP 257 on Sept 26, 2014 20:04:54 GMT -8
I'm thrilled to see NdeM 85' flat cars, and the switch engine...definitely buying the flat cars.
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Post by Mark R. on Sept 26, 2014 20:49:26 GMT -8
D&H 802 and 803 also had the ratchet style hand brake on the front left nose.
I also sent the same comments to Athearn and got a reply back in about five minutes ....
Thanks Mark,
This is the same we have heard from others. We are trying to correct
before production, thanks for the comments.
Sincerely,
The Athearn Help Team
Mark.
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Post by bdhicks on Sept 26, 2014 21:51:39 GMT -8
I can always use more DME grain hoppers
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Post by atsfan on Sept 27, 2014 5:28:52 GMT -8
fortunately my wallet can pass on all of this
Is that the old Blue Box Piggy Back 85 foot car for $32 now?
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Post by edwardsutorik on Sept 27, 2014 6:15:42 GMT -8
fortunately my wallet can pass on all of this Is that the old Blue Box Piggy Back 85 foot car for $32 now? Well, yes and no. Improvements include a cast metal underframe and, at least, wire grabs replacing the side grabs. Those two items would be worth a few bucks to me. I wonder what else was done. I recall HUGE pivot points for the end bridging and not-spectacular hitches. I brought one of these up to NMRA weight, once; and the price alone of the metal..... Ed |
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Post by Spikre on Sept 27, 2014 11:31:41 GMT -8
 have come to the conclusion that the only good info in the Hundman SD45 Data Booklet is the Pictures. and maybe the Roster. will agree that only 4351/IC7000 had the large Air Intake. have found many pics of 803,it must have been a camera hog !! it still had the "L" windshield on EL. EL 802 still has the "L" windshield while on EL,11/9/75. EL 801 was rather camera shy,only found 1 picture taken on 11/16/75,it has a Regular Windshield, caption does not know when the 801 was modified, but it must have happened after it was sold to D&H,and possibly by EL ? all pics show Regular Air Intakes on the Engineers side. originally EL was going to number the units in the 3800 series, but then went back to the 800 series. units were sent back to D&H around 3/76,D&H sent the EL U33Cs back about the same time. the D&H Roster in X2200SOUTH says EL Bought the Units, another Error that has turned up in Print. don't have the EL SD45 Article that Larry DeYoung did for Diesel Era,so not sure if the 800s were covered in depth there or not ?? but it is on the list of Articles to aquire eventually. Spikre 
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Post by antoniofp45 on Sept 27, 2014 14:36:09 GMT -8
Iccn1000, Thanks for posting this info. At first I thought to myself "Probably stuff I'm not interested in." But as I scrolled through on page six, I did double takes when I saw the FRISCO SD45s with L-shaped windshields! I was all smiles (I had lost out on the 1st run some years back). Then I look directly above the FRISCO's and see High-Nosed Southern SD45s. NICE! Two types of units that I've been wanting for years. Prototype FRISCO units were regulars on SCL hotshots back in the 1970s. In the link below, FRISCO SD45 #948 brings up the rear of this SCL consist: www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1698090 On another note, to me, high-nosed EMDs in Southern's "Tuxedo" scheme were sharp looking "muscle car" style brutes. www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=438269&nseq=14 |
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Post by ChessieFan1978 on Sept 27, 2014 18:36:10 GMT -8
fortunately my wallet can pass on all of this Is that the old Blue Box Piggy Back 85 foot car for $32 now? The new Athearn RTR 85' Piggybacks are very nice cars. They Have added metal grabs, new coupler pockets, Extremely Free rolling trucks w/ metal wheels. I have 70 of them and may get a few more, Although when I bought mine they came with trailers and were a little cheaper. |
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Post by routerock on Sept 28, 2014 7:09:33 GMT -8
My question is on the Southern Pacific Golden State cars, did they ever run in that paint and if so what years were they? Never mind 1947-1950. |
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Post by antoniofp45 on Sept 29, 2014 1:24:14 GMT -8
Quick question (please forgive my ignorance).
What is the procedure to preorder from Athearn?
Through an authorized dealer? Or Athearn directly? Do they require a down-payment?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 6:49:24 GMT -8
Quick question (please forgive my ignorance). What is the procedure to preorder from Athearn? Through an authorized dealer? Or Athearn directly? Do they require a down-payment? If you go through Athearn directly it will be filled by Horizon at full MSRP plus shipping. You can reserve with any Horizon/Athearn dealer. Most stores do not require a deposit, some may if you are a one time customer ordering a road name if you back out and don't pick up the model will be hard to sell. Depends, you need to make some calls. M.B. Klein does not accept reservations. Depending on who you ask, you may or may not get an e-mail saying the locomotives are in. At Klein, it is first come first served. If you snooze, you lose. Great price, but you could also miss out if you don't act quickly when they arrive. |
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Post by stevewagner on Sept 29, 2014 8:26:47 GMT -8
Note that although Walthers usually updates the part of their website that shows what they have in stock every night, M.B. Klein often posts new items on theirs during the day, especially during the afternoon.
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Post by riogrande on Sept 29, 2014 10:35:16 GMT -8
M.B. Klein does not accept reservations. Depending on who you ask, you may or may not get an e-mail saying the locomotives are in. At Klein, it is first come first served. If you snooze, you lose. Great price, but you could also miss out if you don't act quickly when they arrive. Very true. Since you mentioned it, I have used MB Klein's notification service. The first couple times I used it, it worked properly and I was notified and was able to make purchases successfully. The last time it actually worked was last summer 2013. I tried again a few weeks ago and the items came in stock and sold out - no notification emails were received. I put in three separate notifications on three separate road numbers. It is either broken or unreliable based on my recent experience. I did call them and let them know it didn't work and how an system that doesn't work is not useful to me. Another layer that doesn't help is that you can't pre-order with MBK either, so if they choose a small order, and it is popular, the items come in stock and sell out in a matter of minutes to a few hours. This has been the case with the Athearn D&RGW tunnel motors - so based on past experience, you'd think they would pre-order a sizable number of each road number? Whatever it was they got, they were sold very fast this time, probably a few hours. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 12:28:32 GMT -8
My question is on the Southern Pacific Golden State cars, did they ever run in that paint and if so what years were they? Never mind 1947-1950. The prototype never wore that paint scheme. The Daylight red should come down to the bottom of the windows. |
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Post by atsfan on Sept 29, 2014 17:32:45 GMT -8
Kliens sells out so fast of the very limited runs they don't need to do preorders to sell out.
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Post by ChessieFan1978 on Sept 30, 2014 16:57:06 GMT -8
M.B. Klein does not accept reservations. Depending on who you ask, you may or may not get an e-mail saying the locomotives are in. At Klein, it is first come first served. If you snooze, you lose. Great price, but you could also miss out if you don't act quickly when they arrive. Very true. Since you mentioned it, I have used MB Klein's notification service. The first couple times I used it, it worked properly and I was notified and was able to make purchases successfully. The last time it actually worked was last summer 2013. I tried again a few weeks ago and the items came in stock and sold out - no notification emails were received. I put in three separate notifications on three separate road numbers. It is either broken or unreliable based on my recent experience. I did call them and let them know it didn't work and how an system that doesn't work is not useful to me. Another layer that doesn't help is that you can't pre-order with MBK either, so if they choose a small order, and it is popular, the items come in stock and sell out in a matter of minutes to a few hours. This has been the case with the Athearn D&RGW tunnel motors - so based on past experience, you'd think they would pre-order a sizable number of each road number? Whatever it was they got, they were sold very fast this time, probably a few hours. |
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Post by nebrzephyr on Oct 1, 2014 6:01:55 GMT -8
And that's why MB Klein lost most of my business, you would never get an email telling you that a new item was in. Then when you found out, it was to late. If they brought back the Advanced Reservations like they used to I would come back! Agree. I think MB Klein should either eliminate the "Advance Notification" option on their web site or eliminate the wording that states you will receive an email when product is available. Because obviously the email notification aspect is broken, either totally or partially. IMHO that is not good customer service. Having said that, everything else in dealing with MB Klein is top shelf. Bob |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 6:44:39 GMT -8
And that's why MB Klein lost most of my business, you would never get an email telling you that a new item was in. Then when you found out, it was to late. If they brought back the Advanced Reservations like they used to I would come back! Agree. I think MB Klein should either eliminate the "Advance Notification" option on their web site or eliminate the wording that states you will receive an email when product is available. Because obviously the email notification aspect is broken, either totally or partially. IMHO that is not good customer service. Having said that, everything else in dealing with MB Klein is top shelf. Bob Model Train Stuff (aka M.B. Klein) is my go to source for mail order rolling stock. For parts I like Mainline Hobby, they've had some out of production stuff many times. |
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Post by riogrande on Oct 1, 2014 8:21:44 GMT -8
And that's why MB Klein lost most of my business, you would never get an email telling you that a new item was in. Then when you found out, it was to late. If they brought back the Advanced Reservations like they used to I would come back! Agree. I think MB Klein should either eliminate the "Advance Notification" option on their web site or eliminate the wording that states you will receive an email when product is available. Because obviously the email notification aspect is broken, either totally or partially. IMHO that is not good customer service. Having said that, everything else in dealing with MB Klein is top shelf. Bob I agree 100%. MBK hasn't lost my business because the advance notification is broken. I'm not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater because the advanced notification system is broken. MBK "is" a top shelf supplier of train items and over-all I've had great service from them. Yes, the advanced notification helps in certain cases like items that can sell out fast, and these days that comes in more handy than it used to. Hopefully they will fix it. |
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Post by Brakie on Oct 2, 2014 10:38:52 GMT -8
I get "New at MBK" e-mails on a routine bases.I also check their web site daily since it takes but a few minutes.
MBK is still my go to on line shop.
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