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Post by bncascadegreen on Dec 26, 2014 22:06:23 GMT -8
Even though BN`s where wreck rebuilds still like to see them done! Some did go on in BNSF H1 too.
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Post by lajrmdlr on Dec 27, 2014 8:18:53 GMT -8
Don't remember seeing any ATSF GP7u or GP9u painted in H1. Is that just an Athearn foobie?
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Dec 27, 2014 9:40:36 GMT -8
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Post by bncascadegreen on Dec 27, 2014 11:20:19 GMT -8
Don't remember seeing any ATSF GP7u or GP9u painted in H1. Is that just an Athearn foobie? GP9B |
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Post by mkulak on Dec 27, 2014 15:25:53 GMT -8
Also hinted on Facebook is a possible new tank car. They just show a wheelset with spinning caps on a GATX tank car and say it looks like one of their Genesis Tank cars.  |
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Post by buffalobill on Dec 27, 2014 16:22:08 GMT -8
Based on the tare weight shown, it looks as though maybe we are looking at a Pressure car. Based on the boolster design, and fact that the car is jacketed, perhaps a GATX built 33,000 gallon Pressure car from the early 80's, or a similar Trinity built GATX designed car from the mid 80's on. With the end access, and the walkway along the side. Very common in Propane and Anhydrous service. Here's hoping.
Bill
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Post by atsfan on Dec 27, 2014 17:45:19 GMT -8
Athearn tank cars are nice.
But priced to be limiting for me to one only.
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Post by lajrmdlr on Dec 28, 2014 10:23:55 GMT -8
Don't remember seeing any ATSF GP7u or GP9u painted in H1. Is that just an Athearn foobie? GP9B GP9B? Santa Fe only had 5 GP7 B units:. 2788A-2792A. |
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Dec 28, 2014 12:44:44 GMT -8
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Post by lajrmdlr on Dec 28, 2014 13:25:22 GMT -8
How are we supposed to know that, by osmosis? LOL |
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Post by carrman on Dec 29, 2014 9:41:54 GMT -8
And now Athearn is showing a test shot of a chopped nose geep, and stating there will be a reveal of it in Amherst next month. More teaser pics will be shown as we get closer to the show.
Dave
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Post by gevohogger on Dec 29, 2014 12:26:44 GMT -8
How are we supposed to know that, by osmosis? LOL Maybe because he mentioned BN in the first post? |
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Post by lajrmdlr on Dec 29, 2014 13:12:39 GMT -8
How are we supposed to know that, by osmosis? LOL Maybe because he mentioned BN in the first post? Maybe he did but again how are we supposed to know that if HE doesn't say it AGAIN. Guess we have to read the whole post again to SEE that. LOL |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Dec 29, 2014 14:45:26 GMT -8
And now Athearn is showing a test shot of a chopped nose geep, and stating there will be a reveal of it in Amherst next month. More teaser pics will be shown as we get closer to the show. Dave It sure matches up nicely with this cutey:  Except for the class lights. Hmmm........ Ed |
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Post by Spikre on Dec 30, 2014 19:26:28 GMT -8
 what actually is Athearn going to make: Shop Hack Job GP B units ? or Factory Delivered by EMD GP B Units ? there is some sort of difference in needed labeling. Spikre 
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Post by dstark on Jan 2, 2015 17:54:30 GMT -8
Athearn's teaser photo shows a porthole and sub-base/battery box so there is zero question it is factory built units. BN's GP9Bs had no sub-base/external battery boxes, and GP20-style fuel tank and air reservoir arrangement. Just as Athearn is on record as saying they will not do the BN extended-cab GP50s (because of multiple pieces of unit-specific tooling required), I'd put the chances of them tooling a new walkway, handrails, short hood and cab inserts etc. at zero. The return on investment for tooling such a niche unit is simply not there. Doug Stark what actually is Athearn going to make: Shop Hack Job GP B units ? or Factory Delivered by EMD GP B Units ? there is some sort of difference in needed labeling. Spikre |
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Jan 2, 2015 18:07:46 GMT -8
Athearn's teaser photo shows a porthole and sub-base/battery box so there is zero question it is factory built units. BN's GP9Bs had no sub-base/external battery boxes, and GP20-style fuel tank and air reservoir arrangement. Just as Athearn is on record as saying they will not do the BN extended-cab GP50s (because of multiple pieces of unit-specific tooling required), I'd put the chances of them tooling a new walkway, handrails, short hood and cab inserts etc. at zero. The return on investment for tooling such a niche unit is simply not there. Doug Stark what actually is Athearn going to make: Shop Hack Job GP B units ? or Factory Delivered by EMD GP B Units ? there is some sort of difference in needed labeling. Spikre There were also only five BN B's. One got a cab of sorts to shuttle equipment at Havelock. Plus, they had changes made to them over their life on BN. BNSF kept them around for a while, one even got pumpkin paint. But they are all retired now. |
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Post by lvrr325 on Jan 2, 2015 18:33:12 GMT -8
I'm really somewhat amazed no one's done a couple of basic variants of chop-nosed GP7/9s yet. Would think it would be fairly easy to use existing tooling with new short noses and cab fronts in two or three variations, plus a new D/B hatch for units where that was blanked out, and cover a wide variety of prototypes. I'd also think you could sell plenty of undecorated ones for guys who want to superdetail to a specific locomotive.
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Jan 2, 2015 18:44:42 GMT -8
I'm really somewhat amazed no one's done a couple of basic variants of chop-nosed GP7/9s yet. Would think it would be fairly easy to use existing tooling with new short noses and cab fronts in two or three variations, plus a new D/B hatch for units where that was blanked out, and cover a wide variety of prototypes. I'd also think you could sell plenty of undecorated ones for guys who want to superdetail to a specific locomotive. Well one of the troubles with the chop nose GP's is nearly everyone did it there own way and every road is different. Some roads chop noses differed from each other, depends on the shop and other factors. Also, since everything now is RTR or bust. A vast majority of people are going to want detail. Look at the detail Athearn is putting into many of its RTR line. So if a chop nose is supposed to have louvers removed, Horst air filters, stuff moved around a lot of people are going to be expecting this in a Genesis unit. |
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Post by dstark on Jan 3, 2015 12:04:49 GMT -8
Not sure why the misinformation that BN created four GP9Bs - it was five, BN 600-604. Of those, BN 603 was the shortest lived as it was wrecked after two years at Livingston, MT 08-07-1984 and scrapped there. From 1982-1984 it most certainly existed: BN 603BN 600, 601, 602 and 604 all survived to become BNSF 1700-1703. Doug Stark There were also only four BN B's. One got a cab of sorts to shuttle equipment at Havelock. Plus, those four had changes made to them over their life on BN. BNSF kept them around for a while, one even got pumpkin paint. But they are all retired now. |
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Post by espeenut on Jan 3, 2015 12:32:40 GMT -8
...just a little heads up for those interested, if you dig a little bit on google, you'll find mention of a Genesis chop nose GP9 making a guest appearance at the Amherst show...
...thought some might find that tidbit of info a somewhat tantalizing...
cheers,
Lorne Miller
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Jan 3, 2015 13:10:47 GMT -8
Not sure why the misinformation that BN created four GP9Bs - it was five, BN 600-604. Of those, BN 603 was the shortest lived as it was wrecked after two years at Livingston, MT 08-07-1984 and scrapped there. From 1982-1984 it most certainly existed: BN 603BN 600, 601, 602 and 604 all survived to become BNSF 1700-1703. Doug Stark There were also only four BN B's. One got a cab of sorts to shuttle equipment at Havelock. Plus, those four had changes made to them over their life on BN. BNSF kept them around for a while, one even got pumpkin paint. But they are all retired now. I counted the BNSF numbers and not the BN numbers, I've made the correction. |
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Post by Spikre on Jan 10, 2015 9:33:33 GMT -8
 found this interesting bit in June 1995 Mainline Modeler Scuttlebutt column: E&C Shops has announced the GP9 in Highnose,LOW NOSE,and B UNIT,coming soon. look at page 85. so is Athearn still using these Parts/Masters ? and will there be the 1st Run Mistakes like the GP9s had ? interesting what will show up about 20 Years Late. Spikre
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Post by carrman on Jan 10, 2015 20:08:38 GMT -8
E&C GP9 tooling has NOTHING to do with the FRP tooling Athearn acquired. Chris Clune cut about 80 percent of the E&C tooling, and then when the money stopped, he stopped. Becker got it form him and left Chris holding the bag for about 10 grand. The tooling disappeared into the nether. I used to take one of the molds and push silly oputty into the radiator section just to see the work Chris had done. I swear you could see the "chicken wire" weaving in and out of each other like on the prototype.
Dave
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Post by jbilbrey on Jan 13, 2015 18:05:29 GMT -8
Athearn's latest photo on FB shows the rear end of a C&NW Passenger Geep (with the characteristic cabinet). They are promising decorated shells at the Amherst Train Show.
James Bilbrey
LaVergne, TN
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Post by Spikre on Jan 15, 2015 17:29:15 GMT -8
?? Dave, so its possible that the E&C GP Tooling can show up again someday ? possibly by Exact Rail ? how or why did Athearn get the Front Range Tooling that was constantly being changed ? have an Original FR GP9,and a late PHS-3 GP and there were many changes besides the Phase differances. the worst change is the sunken roof panels for the 48" fans. the frame had some distinctly worse changes also. Spikre  |
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Post by roadkill on Jan 15, 2015 17:35:49 GMT -8
Spikre, it's my guess that Athearn got hold of the FRP CAD files, not the actual tooling.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jan 15, 2015 18:17:54 GMT -8
If Exactrail were going to do Geep's, I am convinced they would do them from the ground up, and not use or adapt tooling from the olden days. Exactrail has been pretty cutting edge, and I don't think they'd care to lose that reputation.
Ed
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Post by carrman on Jan 15, 2015 21:19:43 GMT -8
Spikre, it's my guess that Athearn got hold of the FRP CAD files, not the actual tooling. No, they got the tooling and scanned it. There were no cad files, the FRP tooling is from the 80's. |
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Post by bdhicks on Jan 23, 2015 18:08:41 GMT -8
Now that Athearn's got the official pictures up on their facebook page, it doesn't look like there's any real surprises in what units they're releasing considering they had already posted pictures of the B unit (lack-of-a-)cab, and the CNW chop nose and hep cabinet. A bit of a change of pace from their usual announcement method of a month of vague and misinterpreted hints.
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