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Post by thebessemerkid on Feb 11, 2015 14:49:43 GMT -8
How's that for an informative title? ILA* I Love Acronyms! Anyway, Broadway has Great Northern S-2 4-8-4's coming  I don’t model GN, but that is a good looking loco Thoughts on the BLI version? (vs an older brass) |
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Post by Spikre on Feb 11, 2015 15:11:24 GMT -8
 whats come in so far does look good. which GN class had the Belpaire boilers ? maybe BLI will do those later ? Edit--Forget the Big Retangular Tender!! Spikre 
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Feb 11, 2015 15:20:11 GMT -8
I'll take on older brass, but not too old, S-2 by Tenshodo, Westside or Oriental Limited. The OL model from the mid 1980's is very nice.
I can see mistakes in the painting by BLI too on the model.
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Feb 11, 2015 15:24:23 GMT -8
whats come in so far does look good. which GN class had the Belpaire boilers ? maybe BLI will do those later ? and also a Big Retangular Tender. Spikre The question should be which GN steam classes did not have Belpaire fireboxes. O-3 Mikado S-2 Northern The rest had the Belpaire firebox. No big rectangular tenders on GN. Small rectangular tenders on some of the Mikados and the switchers. GN loved the Vandy tender. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Feb 11, 2015 15:25:12 GMT -8
How interesting. BLI says nothing about it on their website. That I can find.
Spikre, most GN steam locos had Belpaire fireboxes. GN had one class (the one under discussion) and the P-2 Mountain class without.
And these locos NEVER pulled a rectangular tender.
Ed
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Post by edwardsutorik on Feb 11, 2015 15:26:05 GMT -8
Oh, yeah. And the O-3's.
Ed
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Post by edwardsutorik on Feb 11, 2015 15:27:24 GMT -8
And let's not forget the Z-6 class.
Ed
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Feb 11, 2015 15:30:39 GMT -8
How interesting. BLI says nothing about it on their website. That I can find. Spikre, most GN steam locos had Belpaire fireboxes. GN had one class (the one under discussion) and the P-2 Mountain class without. And these locos NEVER pulled a rectangular tender. Ed I knew the P-2 Mountain didn't have a Belpaire firebox and left it off the list. Duh!!!! They also spent the later years in black and not glacier paint. I WISH SOME MANUFACTURER WOULDN'T THINK THAT ALL GREAT NORTHERN STEAM ENGINES WORE THE GLACIER SCHEME FOR EVER AND EVER. PLEASE HOW ABOUT SOME IN BLACK WITH THE SIDE FACING GOAT HERALD AND "RAILWAY", FOR THOSE OF US INTERESTED IN THE END OF STEAM ON THE GN. |
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Feb 11, 2015 15:32:48 GMT -8
And let's not forget the Z-6 class. Ed Never owned a Z-6 in brass. I model or are interested in the Willmar Division at the end of steam and the Challengers and R-2's didn't make it to Minnesota. N-3's in Duluth and the Iron Range but not on the Willmar turntable. |
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Post by thebessemerkid on Feb 11, 2015 16:14:59 GMT -8
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Post by edwardsutorik on Feb 11, 2015 16:15:12 GMT -8
I don't want this to get back to the GN RHS, but I just can't warm up to GN steam in the Glacier (green) scheme. Strangely, though, I've got a big crush on the Southern Ps-4 at the DC museum. Rational? Naahhhhh.... But that could also explain my yearnings for some Southern E's.
Yeah, the GN Z's pretty much stayed on SP&S rails. And GN didn't have them very long, anyway.
Out west, it's kinda neat that some N-3's spent time on the Bieber line.
Ed
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Post by thebessemerkid on Feb 11, 2015 16:18:51 GMT -8
I'd be tickled if all the mfg would offer unptd versions (not unlettered but painted, I mean completely unptd)
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Post by edwardsutorik on Feb 11, 2015 16:41:20 GMT -8
I'd be tickled if all the mfg would offer unptd versions (not unlettered but painted, I mean completely unptd) I'll note that BLI is showing "varnished" brass on their site. Which is pretty much how brass was coming in the olden days. Perhaps when BLI finally admits to making the S-2, they'll show a brass one. Ed |
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Post by calzephyr on Feb 11, 2015 17:57:37 GMT -8
How's that for an informative title? ILA* I Love Acronyms! Anyway, Broadway has Great Northern S-2 4-8-4's coming I don’t model GN, but that is a good looking loco Thoughts on the BLI version? (vs an older brass) This looks like the BLI Brass version they imported 7 or eight years ago. I got to see one in a store and this looks to be identical for the most part of that very limited model. The information below is from their past models. That model was an all brass model BLI Museum Series Brass The one FDT lists looks to be a brass hybrid so it is much less money.
Larry GN S-2 (BLI Museum Series Brass) 1050 GN S-2 #2583 w/open cab, f/p Glacier Park, w/Quantum Sound, HO $ 1,699.99 1051 GN S-2 #2583 w/open cab, unpainted, w/Quantum Sound, HO $ 1,549.99 1052 GN S-2 #2588 w/vestibule cab, f/p Glacier Park, w/Quantum Sound, HO $ 1,699.99 1053 GN S-2 #2588 w/vestibule cab, unpainted, w/Quantum sound, HO $ 1,549.99 |
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Post by thebessemerkid on Feb 11, 2015 18:22:39 GMT -8
I'd be tickled if all the mfg would offer unptd versions (not unlettered but painted, I mean completely unptd) I'll note that BLI is showing "varnished" brass on their site. Which is pretty much how brass was coming in the olden days. Perhaps when BLI finally admits to making the S-2, they'll show a brass one. Ed Ugh. More stuff to strip. Especially if it is mixed brass/plastic. Soak it in IPA I suppose. An unassembled version would be awesome. (Maybe running gear assembled?) |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Feb 11, 2015 18:40:05 GMT -8
Ugh. More stuff to strip. Especially if it is mixed brass/plastic. The BLI "hybrid"s don't appear to use much or any plastic in their detailing. At least, judging from the photo on their site of their 4-12-2. Ed |
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Feb 11, 2015 19:36:21 GMT -8
Price isn't that far away from a good brass S-2 from OL.
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Post by John Sheridan on Feb 12, 2015 7:58:40 GMT -8
I'll take on older brass, but not too old, S-2 by Tenshodo, Westside or Oriental Limited. The OL model from the mid 1980's is very nice. I can see mistakes in the painting by BLI too on the model. Where are the mistakes on the model ? |
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Feb 12, 2015 10:02:13 GMT -8
Barricade strips on the rear flat panel by the side step on the tender.
Front of cylinders should be chrome. BLI's are muted like the CZ passenger cars. The S-2's in Glacier were chrome plated.
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Post by Gary P on Feb 13, 2015 7:44:30 GMT -8
Well, unfortunately I can add no expertise to the discussion. But for my 2 cents, as a novice and fairly "green" steam person, I think it's a good looking model. Again, I am no expert in what is correct for this particular model, but I think it's good looking.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Feb 13, 2015 8:16:33 GMT -8
The model IS good looking. But it isn't, apparently, the one for sale.
The prototype is also good looking--that could affect one's judgement.
Ed
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Post by calzephyr on Feb 16, 2015 12:20:09 GMT -8
BLI has the updated information on the coming S2 GN steam loco. It also states they are in production now. I am beginning to wonder how long production is for brass, hybrids if their statement is true. Maybe the time for engineering and gathering the brass castings is included in the production time???
Larry
IMPORTANT PRODUCT NOTICE:
This all-new 2015 run replaces previous announcements.
Previously announced PCM GN S-2 orders have been automatically canceled due to feature and pricing changes.
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Post by calzephyr on Feb 16, 2015 12:21:16 GMT -8
The model IS good looking. But it isn't, apparently, the one for sale. The prototype is also good looking--that could affect one's judgement. Ed I believe the model picture is the first run all brass version. I got to view one at a LHS several years ago and it was nice. Larry |
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Post by empirebuilder on Feb 16, 2015 16:50:16 GMT -8
From what I can see in my GN. BOOK collection the cylinder covers on the S2s were bare metal ,The great Northern was known to be a frugal road and I doubt they would go to the expense of chrome plating the covers when they could simply polish them +consider the beating they would take out on the road.
As for the caution stripping on the rear of the tenders they would be simple enough to make,Either of these points Hardly a reason to not purchase this beautiful model.........If you can afford it !! lol
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Post by edwardsutorik on Feb 16, 2015 18:59:06 GMT -8
...they could simply polish them... My big question is whether the metal would show rust within 24 hours. I'm thinking it would. And a week later, it would look like Corten steel. Sorry, no way. Ed |
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Feb 16, 2015 19:08:43 GMT -8
...they could simply polish them... My big question is whether the metal would show rust within 24 hours. I'm thinking it would. And a week later, it would look like Corten steel. Sorry, no way. Ed In one of my GN books it was stated the cylinder covers were chromed. In the GN steam and electrics in color, there is a photo of a P-2. If those cylinder covers aren't chromed then, someone must have a sore arm from polishing. |
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Feb 17, 2015 6:45:35 GMT -8
...they could simply polish them... My big question is whether the metal would show rust within 24 hours. I'm thinking it would. And a week later, it would look like Corten steel. Sorry, no way. Ed Says the cylinder covers and steam chest were chromed. |
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Post by empirebuilder on Feb 17, 2015 15:09:45 GMT -8
Ahh' I stand corrected,hadn't seen that and all the pictures I have are in b/w which might have made a difference. Thanks.
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Post by thebessemerkid on Feb 27, 2015 14:08:42 GMT -8
Video is up. I don’t model GN, but am gonna go for one.
Vestibule or non-vestibule? Any suggestions?
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Feb 27, 2015 14:25:24 GMT -8
Video is up. I don’t model GN, but am gonna go for one. Vestibule or non-vestibule? Any suggestions? Vestibule cabs were added to engines 2577 (in the early 1930s) and engines 2582, 2586, 2587 and 2588 (by the late 1940s). In brass the vestibule cabs are always more valuable and more sought than regular cab. I'd order vestibule. |
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