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Post by carrman on Feb 23, 2015 17:29:10 GMT -8
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Feb 23, 2015 17:36:00 GMT -8
Why does BLI insist on making the B-unit in the set unpowered. They do that with the E9's and then offer a powered B separately. Personally I'd prefer to have to the A and B a separate order. This way you are not stuck with a dummy.
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Post by bigblow69 on Feb 23, 2015 17:42:53 GMT -8
You go into the water, sharks in the water, our shark.....
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Post by edwardsutorik on Feb 23, 2015 17:55:42 GMT -8
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Feb 23, 2015 17:58:11 GMT -8
Why does BLI insist on making the B-unit in the set unpowered. They do that with the E9's and then offer a powered B separately. Personally I'd prefer to have to the A and B a separate order. This way you are not stuck with a dummy. The page I looked at shows both A units and B units available individually |
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Post by riogrande on Feb 23, 2015 18:06:59 GMT -8
I'm immune to shark attacks. Interesting however.
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Post by eh49 on Feb 23, 2015 18:09:27 GMT -8
Weren't the Sharks originally announced about 10 years ago by BLI's sister company PCM? (Remember them?)
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Post by thebessemerkid on Feb 23, 2015 18:15:08 GMT -8
Any chance of an unpainted, undecorated shark without sound? Aside from filing and puttying the nose seam, am not crazy about letting ET occupy the right-hand seat on my railroad.  |
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Post by thebessemerkid on Feb 23, 2015 18:19:57 GMT -8
The cattywumpus number boards don't help. Seriously, offer unassembled versions (painted or not) for those who want to exercise a little care in assembly and prefer wire grabs.  |
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Post by theengineshed on Feb 23, 2015 18:30:40 GMT -8
Some interesting details, the roof correctly overhangs the rear of the cabs and both ends of the B unit, back-up lights, and see through body side screens.
Don't believe anyone has done Sharks with the overhang before, brass included.
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Feb 23, 2015 18:35:16 GMT -8
Any chance of an unpainted, undecorated shark without sound? BLI no longer offers DCC ready non-sound locomotives. According to BLI there is not enough demand for non-sound models. So its Paragon II or the highway. |
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Post by jamesbrodie67281 on Feb 23, 2015 19:25:41 GMT -8
Does anyone do an 0 gauge version ?
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Post by wmcbride on Feb 23, 2015 19:39:11 GMT -8
Does anyone do an 0 gauge version ? Weaver did. Bill McBride |
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Post by lvrr325 on Feb 23, 2015 19:55:56 GMT -8
So the third model of a Shark, after Roco and Bachmann? Seems to me Bachmann could add sound to theirs (if they don't make them that way already) and kill some sales of these.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 20:58:00 GMT -8
TYCO also did one. Not sure which one was better, remember seeing something written that one or more had issues in the nose/pilot area. The Bachmann release a few years ago was OK except for the trucks and fuel tank.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 21:08:55 GMT -8
Any chance of an unpainted, undecorated shark without sound? Aside from filing and puttying the nose seam, am not crazy about letting ET occupy the right-hand seat on my railroad. The grabs look like 3" OD pipe. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 21:27:19 GMT -8
Seems to be their norm. Their Gator had oversized grabs on it.
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Post by Mark R. on Feb 23, 2015 21:53:59 GMT -8
Maybe it's just the picture .... the numberboards look to be tilted. (?)
Mark.
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Post by thebessemerkid on Feb 23, 2015 23:41:36 GMT -8
Maybe it's just the picture .... the numberboards look to be tilted. (?) Mark. Looks that way to me. I think a side by side vs the Bachmann + ER-Roco + Model Power would be helpful. Maybe throw in a brass or two. The old Tyco/Mantua was way off. It may come down to Jason and the 3D scanner getting access to the survivors in Escanaba (?) |
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Post by lvrr325 on Feb 24, 2015 4:13:08 GMT -8
I forgot the Tyco one. Those started as a die cast shell sold by Mantua in the 1950s.
I would presume the ER-Roco and Model Power much the same, since Model Power's were just an older version of the Roco engine. The drives evolve a little and the fuel tank changes at some point, other than that they don't change a whole lot.
The one thing the Roco one has is a fat 7-pole motor, the same motor they used in the O-scale F9 they did for Atlas. I don't know what kind of amperage they draw but I'd imagine they'll pull anything you want.
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Feb 24, 2015 5:32:27 GMT -8
It may come down to Jason and the 3D scanner getting access to the survivors in Escanaba (?) I live in Northeast Wisconsin and Escanaba, Michigan is a hop, skip and jump away. NO ONE is getting close to the BLW Sharks, Milwaukee Road Skytop "Coon Rapids" and the Milwaukee Road Super Dome. I know they have a second Milwaukee Road passenger car. They are in a very secure building, with ample security personnel and rail fans and toy train manufacturers are not welcome. Don't even try to ask. The people in charge in Escanaba despise everything rail fan and model railroading. Lots of troubles with rail fans in the past has these historic artifacts on total lock down. |
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Post by scl1234 on Feb 24, 2015 7:07:58 GMT -8
Bottom edge of numberboard housings should be parallel to the lightning stripe (but sloped downward towards the rear). Those grabs are most likely plastic so needed to have a ~3" scale diameter to avoid damage.
The BLI H32 hoppers also have slightly oversized stirrups and grabs.
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Feb 24, 2015 8:49:54 GMT -8
It may come down to Jason and the 3D scanner getting access to the survivors in Escanaba (?) I live in Northeast Wisconsin and Escanaba, Michigan is a hop, skip and jump away. NO ONE is getting close to the BLW Sharks, Milwaukee Road Skytop "Coon Rapids" and the Milwaukee Road Super Dome. I know they have a second Milwaukee Road passenger car. They are in a very secure building, with ample security personnel and rail fans and toy train manufacturers are not welcome. Don't even try to ask. The people in charge in Escanaba despise everything rail fan and model railroading. Lots of troubles with rail fans in the past has these historic artifacts on total lock down. So what is the owner's mindset? Just have them as a private collection? If that's the case, they'll sit there until somebody dies, and it becomes the sad story that there isn't sufficient notice to save them before the estate scraps them for cash. |
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Post by bnsf971 on Feb 24, 2015 9:28:25 GMT -8
I live in Northeast Wisconsin and Escanaba, Michigan is a hop, skip and jump away. NO ONE is getting close to the BLW Sharks, Milwaukee Road Skytop "Coon Rapids" and the Milwaukee Road Super Dome. I know they have a second Milwaukee Road passenger car. They are in a very secure building, with ample security personnel and rail fans and toy train manufacturers are not welcome. Don't even try to ask. The people in charge in Escanaba despise everything rail fan and model railroading. Lots of troubles with rail fans in the past has these historic artifacts on total lock down. So what is the owner's mindset? Just have them as a private collection? If that's the case, they'll sit there until somebody dies, and it becomes the sad story that there isn't sufficient notice to save them before the estate scraps them for cash. How would you feel if somebody broke into your home or place of business, and either stole or ruined anything of value? That is basically what happened to them. I know how I would feel if it happened to me. |
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Post by thebessemerkid on Feb 24, 2015 10:04:19 GMT -8
That's my understanding. Unscrupulous railfans ruined it for honest railfans.
I think the owner is on the board of the museum in Duluth, so hopefully they will wind up there.
Still would be nice if a 3D scan was permitted. Tough to get contours right from photos alone.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 10:52:54 GMT -8
I live in Northeast Wisconsin and Escanaba, Michigan is a hop, skip and jump away. NO ONE is getting close to the BLW Sharks, Milwaukee Road Skytop "Coon Rapids" and the Milwaukee Road Super Dome. I know they have a second Milwaukee Road passenger car. They are in a very secure building, with ample security personnel and rail fans and toy train manufacturers are not welcome. Don't even try to ask. The people in charge in Escanaba despise everything rail fan and model railroading. Lots of troubles with rail fans in the past has these historic artifacts on total lock down. So what is the owner's mindset? Just have them as a private collection? If that's the case, they'll sit there until somebody dies, and it becomes the sad story that there isn't sufficient notice to save them before the estate scraps them for cash. Nothing wrong with having a private collection. What the "estate" may do with them is speculation. What's the alternative? |
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Post by carrman on Feb 24, 2015 11:07:25 GMT -8
SMS Railservice visited E&LS a few years back. Who are they? Read this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_Rail_Lines When they visited E&LS about the Sharks, they were told to go away. A legitmate rail outfit that specializes in Baldwins told to go away. I fear for the future of the Shraks. Dave |
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Feb 24, 2015 11:19:40 GMT -8
Its well known here in Wisconsin to stay away from the ELS. The BLW sharks and Coon Rapids is touchy subject. Its also very well known in the railway museum arena that the Sharks and Coon Rapids ain't going anywhere and don't bother calling or writing. Its wasted time.
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Post by lvrr325 on Feb 24, 2015 11:34:38 GMT -8
I thought the builder's plates were stolen from them was the big thing? They were already in rough shape when they arrived, from being beat on on the Michigan Northern.
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Feb 24, 2015 11:51:49 GMT -8
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