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Post by eh49 on Feb 25, 2015 18:21:22 GMT -8
Received my March issue of Model Railroad News today and they mention there will be a SD70ACe coming from Walthers in their Mainline series. It will be interesting to see if Al cuts this one in half.
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Post by Spikre on Feb 25, 2015 18:27:28 GMT -8
 Why ? arnt there plenty of ACEs already ? guess nothing succeeds like excess. why not an SDP40F ? would go good with a number of 70s trains. Spikre 
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Post by calzephyr on Feb 25, 2015 18:37:20 GMT -8
Received my March issue of Model Railroad News today and they mention there will be a SD70ACe coming from Walthers in their Mainline series. It will be interesting to see if Al cuts this one in half. That is amazing, but I would have to guess it will run OK and not have molded on grab details. I can't imagine bringing out another model that is now out of production due to Tier IV regulations, but I point to the F series and the SD40-2 still being in demand by model railroaders almost daily. My thought is this will be fairly inexpensive but should run Ok so AL will probably not have to make it into two locos. Larry |
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Post by MONSTERRAILROAD on Feb 25, 2015 20:23:52 GMT -8
You never know. LOL. As long as they do not do like Bachmann and trump up their MSRP to the same prices of the superior versions and put out on an inferior version of the SD70ACe I will leave it be.  |
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Post by atsfan on Feb 26, 2015 5:18:58 GMT -8
Is this an early April fools gag in MR?
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Post by NS4122 on Feb 26, 2015 5:24:05 GMT -8
Is this an early April fools gag in MR? Its no gag, Walthers announced it at the Springfield Show back in January and was it mentioned in the Springfield announcement thread here back in January as well. |
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Post by atsfan on Feb 26, 2015 6:41:07 GMT -8
Well well.
That is almost as many GEVOs.
Hopefully it will be better than the. Bachmann effort.
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Post by markfj on Feb 26, 2015 7:01:03 GMT -8
Good grief Charlie Brown. . .another SD70ACe. Uggghhh!!!!  |
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Post by atsfan on Feb 26, 2015 7:05:35 GMT -8
Good grief Charlie Brown. . .another SD70ACe. Uggghhh!!!! Well, to consider, the current market for engines in the USA is two types, GEVO series, and 70ace series. It has been that way for at least 7 or so years or. Ore, and will be that way for a long while. So, if someone wants to make an engine for today's railroading, there are two options. |
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Post by nightmare0331 on Feb 26, 2015 7:08:59 GMT -8
It is my understanding that they wanted a price pointed modern locomotive for their Mainline product line.
They wouldn't be making it if someone there didn't believe there was a market for it.
It will be interesting to see how it stacks up to the Bachmann model.
Enjoy!
Kelley.
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Post by markfj on Feb 26, 2015 11:24:52 GMT -8
Good grief Charlie Brown. . .another SD70ACe. Uggghhh!!!! Well, to consider, the current market for engines in the USA is two types, GEVO series, and 70ace series. It has been that way for at least 7 or so years or. Ore, and will be that way for a long while. So, if someone wants to make an engine for today's railroading, there are two options. Yes, all valid points, But those locomotive types are not the “only” options available for model train manufacturers to make. That, and I dare say the market is awash with duplicate products these days. So why not be different and make something different? Now, if there is high demand for yet another SD70ACe, then I can see the logic behind another manufacturer offering one and I’ll eat my words. Who knows, maybe a massive number of people followed big Al’s example and ran their current SD70ACes through a table saw and now need replacements.  |
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Post by hovehicle on Feb 26, 2015 11:36:23 GMT -8
If I was Bachmann, I would revise the tooling on the SD70ACe to include all of the handrails to be separately applied and to offer it in DC too for 150.00 MSRP. MAYBE, and I'll say it again, MAYBE, it would be worthy of a purchase at that point.
Vito L.
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Post by atsfan on Feb 26, 2015 17:24:46 GMT -8
Well, to consider, the current market for engines in the USA is two types, GEVO series, and 70ace series. It has been that way for at least 7 or so years or. Ore, and will be that way for a long while. So, if someone wants to make an engine for today's railroading, there are two options. Yes, all valid points, But those locomotive types are not the “only” options available for model train manufacturers to make. That, and I dare say the market is awash with duplicate products these days. So why not be different and make something different? Now, if there is high demand for yet another SD70ACe, then I can see the logic behind another manufacturer offering one and I’ll eat my words. Who knows, maybe a massive number of people followed big Al’s example and ran their current SD70ACes through a table saw and now need replacements. Not much else to choose from that hasn't been done. Of course a new Proto SD40-2 would be welcome.......! |
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Post by alcoc430 on Feb 26, 2015 17:34:11 GMT -8
Good grief Charlie Brown. . .another SD70ACe. Uggghhh!!!! Well, to consider, the current market for engines in the USA is two types, GEVO series, and 70ace series. It has been that way for at least 7 or so years or. Ore, and will be that way for a long while. So, if someone wants to make an engine for today's railroading, there are two options. The SD40ace would be a nice addition to their train sets. |
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Post by garr on Feb 26, 2015 19:02:38 GMT -8
Of course a new Proto SD40-2 would be welcome.......! Please NOOOOO! That will only put us another step back from getting a quality Genesis SD40-2. Jay |
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Post by Spikre on Feb 26, 2015 19:28:48 GMT -8
 so how does a thread announcing a Mainline SD70ACE get boxed into another Genesis SD40-2 demand ?? but I'm not getting punchy over this,its Expected now. next the Baldwin Shark thread will be another thread gone for a Genesis SD40-2. Spikre 
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Post by bdhicks on Feb 26, 2015 20:50:12 GMT -8
Not much else to choose from that hasn't been done. Of course a new Proto SD40-2 would be welcome.......! I think there's some disagreement on that |
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Post by bnsftcdiv on Feb 27, 2015 13:37:47 GMT -8
Well, Walthers has a fair amount of product that reflects the modern era. A loco that fits into this mix makes some sense, especially when you think that they may be reintroducing products in different road names (ethanol tanks as bakken oil cars or rd-4's and coal porters) to get more mileage out of them added to this new piece. Something has to pull those trains, and the GEVO market is a lot more covered right now. Walther's also used to have a big fall intro with an new product integrated structure/rolling stock and accessory focus (ala the ethanol plant release, the paper mill and auto plants from years past) Wishful thinking, but might be the first light of something bigger newer coming.
And, the modern stuff seems to be selling pretty well right now…but I've got my sd70ace's, unless they are stellar.
I'm not holding my breath
Dave Burman
modeling the modern Twin Cities
Trempealeau, WI
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Post by atsfan on Feb 27, 2015 14:22:15 GMT -8
Of course a new Proto SD40-2 would be welcome.......! Please NOOOOO! That will only put us another step back from getting a quality Genesis SD40-2. Jay Yes But I know Walthers won't tool one. |
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Post by atsfan on Feb 27, 2015 14:22:48 GMT -8
Not much else to choose from that hasn't been done. Of course a new Proto SD40-2 would be welcome.......! I think there's some disagreement on that It would sell extremely well. Extremely. |
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Post by MONSTERRAILROAD on Feb 27, 2015 14:55:39 GMT -8
I would be very EXCITED if Kato would stop being an HO SELL OUT and come back into game and STEP UP to produce a HIGH QUALITY SD70M and a SD70M Phase II with flared radiators. That would be a HUGE welcomed in this hobby from Kato. Instead of all of these (5 or 6 now) companies chasing the beautiful SD70ACe, they can chase a modern engine out there that is only done by ONE company (in plastic), for example the SD70M. (I know Kato did the SD70MAc as well as Athearn but the SD70M was done only by Athearn)
I do realize that the gorgeous SD70ACe and the "pretty" ES44AC is the new "It Thing" to manufacture but how about a Kato, BLI, Intermountain or EXACTRAIL join the lone manufacturer of Athearn for sales of a nice SD70M & SD70M flared radiator and even a new SD59MX/SD59M-2.
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Post by MONSTERRAILROAD on Feb 27, 2015 14:59:49 GMT -8
I see that there is a SD40M-2 MK rebuilt coming by Athearn Genesis. The SP one is nice and will be a great project to weather that faded grey and the bunch of rust spots. It is agood looking engine too. But you know those handrails are going to be awful as always.
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Post by espeenut on Feb 27, 2015 16:06:57 GMT -8
I'm with Big Al on Kato doing a UP SD70M with flares, always wondered why they didn't already do it, I'd buy at least three of them...
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Post by bigb6flyer on Feb 27, 2015 16:25:32 GMT -8
Al and Espreenut,
I'd too would like to see Kato do a lot more Ho, but until then you can always remotor the other maunfacturers with kato motors to make them de facto katos. Yes, I know, it's a shame to have to do this (spend another $40+ on a HM-5 motor) to a loco you plunked down $199-299 mrsp on and some the remotor may not work, but it's an option...
Brad
Ps I know you two guys and others already know all this
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Post by jbilbrey on Feb 27, 2015 19:53:40 GMT -8
Received my March issue of Model Railroad News today and they mention there will be a SD70ACe coming from Walthers in their Mainline series. It will be interesting to see if Al cuts this one in half. I remember reading about it in thread on announcements from the Springfield Show back in January and have been waiting for something more "concrete" like a formal announcement, artwork, etc.
While some may question Walthers' choice, it does make some sense to me. It is a locomotive seen on all of the Class 1's (and some regionals). Walthers currently does not have a contemporary diesel in their Mainline series (the GP15-1 doesn't count due to its age/scarcity). It is not a GEVO and thus avoiding competing against Athearn, BLI, Intermountain, and MTH.
The Bachmann model would have been a good model if Bachmann had not chose to cut the molds with all the grab-irons molded-on. Plus, they have only released them in the NS Heritage schemes. Hopefully, Walthers will avoid that pitfall. The question then becomes which "Phase" will the model represent (and therefore what roadnames will be most applicable).
James Bilbrey LaVergne, TN
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Post by bnsf971 on Feb 28, 2015 4:16:48 GMT -8
Received my March issue of Model Railroad News today and they mention there will be a SD70ACe coming from Walthers in their Mainline series. It will be interesting to see if Al cuts this one in half. I remember reading about it in thread on announcements from the Springfield Show back in January and have been waiting for something more "concrete" like a formal announcement, artwork, etc.
While some may question Walthers' choice, it does make some sense to me. It is a locomotive seen on all of the Class 1's (and some regionals). Walthers currently does not have a contemporary diesel in their Mainline series (the GP15-1 doesn't count due to its age/scarcity). It is not a GEVO and thus avoiding competing against Athearn, BLI, Intermountain, and MTH.
The Bachmann model would have been a good model if Bachmann had not chose to cut the molds with all the grab-irons molded-on. Plus, they have only released them in the NS Heritage schemes. Hopefully, Walthers will avoid that pitfall. The question then becomes which "Phase" will the model represent (and therefore what roadnames will be most applicable).
James Bilbrey LaVergne, TN
You do know that both MTH and Athearn offer an SD70ACe, right? How is not making a GEVO not competing? |
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Post by jbilbrey on Feb 28, 2015 8:22:05 GMT -8
You do know that both MTH and Athearn offer an SD70ACe, right? How is not making a GEVO not competing? What I was getting at is that the number of manufacturers making a SD70ACe is smaller (three when you include Bachmann) than the number of manufacturers making a model of GEVO's (five if my quick count is right). Less competition could theoretically equal greater sales. On the flip side, we're talking about a prototype that has proven to be not as popular in real life. James Bilbrey LaVernge, TN |
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Post by Spikre on Feb 28, 2015 13:45:30 GMT -8
Kato seems to enjoy missing the "Boat" !! the SD70M "Flares" is a new example. the GP35 PHS-2 is an older,maybe 15 years now,example. then they try to make Incomplete Passenger trains in HO, maybe that used to work,but doesn't seem to anymore. then they do a great one-off,the Burlington Office Car, doesn't fit in any where in their plans,but it is the nicest Office Car ever offered in Plastic. Kato Strategy may work in Japan and Europe,but they still don't get the U.S./Canadian Market yet. maybe someday ? Spikre
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Post by markfj on Feb 28, 2015 14:50:00 GMT -8
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Post by Spikre on Feb 28, 2015 15:24:19 GMT -8
 Mark, thought it was well established that Proto is the best SD45 shell? and neither Proto or Kato has the correct Reading Extended cab. so Put the Proto SD45 Shell on the Kato chassis. Your still on Your own for the Correct Reading Cab. Spikre
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