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Post by Spikre on Apr 14, 2015 15:42:18 GMT -8
 would think that someone would do a run of these in Brass so that they could be copied in Resin. these are known to have run on D&H,NYC,New Haven, BAR and Erie. not really the longest Demo Stint ever,but they are thought to have at least run to Ohio on NYC and Erie. note- they must have run over B&M and Maine Central to get to Bangor and Aroostook. has their Time finally come ? Spikre 
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Post by atsfan on Apr 14, 2015 17:30:33 GMT -8
Spike I gotta wonder how big a market is for these really?
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Post by Spikre on Apr 14, 2015 17:45:20 GMT -8
 atsfan, likely not very large,but think a firm like MTS could move almost 100 units,meaning 3 unit sets. theres No Phase problem,and while they were on New Haven the longest,should be some fallout from D&H,NYC,and Erie modelers. and they had a paint job any one could copy. it is odd that Overland ran the GE UMB in U.P. version about 1980,but never ran the Black Maria's. it should also generate some Intrest as a Historical loco,or Odd Ball like the Ingalls 4-S. Spikre 
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Post by peoriaman on Apr 14, 2015 17:50:17 GMT -8
Its kind of like the C430 or the C636, Those who need one, really NEED one.
We have, what, four or five different SD40-2s already now? Its time for the Black Maria.
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Post by alcoc430 on Apr 14, 2015 18:18:30 GMT -8
No not in plastic. I'm not sure even in resin or brass but the odds are better.
You can't compare this to a c430 That are still running almost 50 years later. Or the sd40-2 that is iconic sort of like an f unit is
Thats about 70 years ago for the year or two when these ran. Plus if you model the 40s I'm sure you could come up with a more significant Loco of the period.
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Post by leikec on Apr 14, 2015 18:24:53 GMT -8
I would think a plastic Alco C415 would receive more interest...
Jeff C
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Post by alcoc430 on Apr 14, 2015 18:26:41 GMT -8
I would think a plastic Alco C415 would receive more interest... Jeff C Bowser on face book was looking for info on the c415, so it's only a matter of time now. (Nothing announced yet) Atlas better get busy on the T6 and S6 |
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Post by peoriaman on Apr 14, 2015 18:42:56 GMT -8
I guess if you're a fan of niche locomotives, everything else is an even more-obscure niche.
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Post by leikec on Apr 14, 2015 19:14:08 GMT -8
I guess if you're a fan of niche locomotives, everything else is an even more-obscure niche. :rolleyes All locomotives are niche locomotives. The only difference is that some niches have a few more fanbois... Jeff C |
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Post by GP40P-2 on Apr 14, 2015 19:25:43 GMT -8
Nah, it's time for an early Genset from 1943, the Infamous Baldwin Laundromat!   |
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Apr 14, 2015 20:24:45 GMT -8
Kind of surprised Custom Brass / NJ International didn't do the Black Maria back in the day. Perhaps the problem marketing something that only really looked good as an expensive multiple unit. Right now, I'd rather see the effort put toward the 1000 and 1200 hp Lima switcher, in plastic, that would work for several of my favorite roads.
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Post by dti406 on Apr 15, 2015 4:12:52 GMT -8
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Post by mlehman on Apr 15, 2015 7:23:40 GMT -8
SNIP Thats about 70 years ago for the year or two when these ran. Plus if you model the 40s I'm sure you could come up with a more significant Loco of the period. Spikre, I suspect this idea's sell by date is about a generation too late. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2015 8:08:15 GMT -8
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Post by calzephyr on Apr 15, 2015 8:29:01 GMT -8
would think that someone would do a run of these in Brass so that they could be copied in Resin. these are known to have run on D&H,NYC,New Haven, BAR and Erie. not really the longest Demo Stint ever,but they are thought to have at least run to Ohio on NYC and Erie. note- they must have run over B&M and Maine Central to get to Bangor and Aroostook. has their Time finally come ? Spikre They were built in mid 1945 and scrapped in 1947 after serving in demo services for less than two years, which results in no orders. It would be hard for a brass importer to make money on this model. A few collectors might want it but the average modeler probably would not be interested. Larry |
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Post by peoriaman on Apr 15, 2015 9:00:04 GMT -8
They were built in mid 1945 and scrapped in 1947 after serving in demo services for less than two years, which results in no orders. It would be hard for a brass importer to make money on this model. A few collectors might want it but the average modeler probably would not be interested. Yet somehow we have an Ingalls Shipbuilding unit in brass.... Sure, the case could be made that the Ingalls served for twenty years but it also toiled in the relative obscurity (in a railfan sense of the word) of Mobile Alabama and southern Mississippi. To borrow a line from the old Atlas forum, one has to REALLY like the GM&O or REALLY like obscure diesels to pony up the cash for an Ingalls. I would think that with brass, there's probably room for both. |
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Apr 15, 2015 9:23:14 GMT -8
Be interesting to know why Rivarossi did the Krauss-Maffei back in the 60s. Did somebody think they were the wave of the future? Devoted Rio Grande or SP fan in an influential position? German influence? Or was it just Ugly Duckling cachet?
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Apr 15, 2015 10:19:09 GMT -8
Before any manufacturer would devote a few hundred thousand to something that lasted less than two years, there is other fruit which will yield more profit and fill more of void like:
U23C
U28CG
U30C early phases
U33C early phases and even late - the Atlas model is a distant remembrance.
U33B
U36B
T6
SDP40
NW2 - and TR2
SW7
SW1001
SDP40F
C30-7 - again the Atlas model is 15 years ago or there about.
A Genesis level quality SD40-2
GP40P
GP40P-2
Baby Trainmaster
A Genesis level quality C424 and C425 - the Atlas model is not prototype specific
A Genesis level quality E8 and E9 A and B
GP35 phase II
I'm sure there are many more.
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Post by riogrande on Apr 15, 2015 10:25:34 GMT -8
Be interesting to know why Rivarossi did the Krauss-Maffei back in the 60s. Did somebody think they were the wave of the future? Devoted Rio Grande or SP fan in an influential position? German influence? Or was it just Ugly Duckling cachet? For some reason the K-M's seem to have a popularity far beyond their existance. They were interesting to read about in my Rio Grande Diesels Vol 1, and apparently even the NYC kicked the tires of them but quickly sent them back. The didn't even last 3 years on the Grande before they handed them over to the SP. I prefer to spend my nickles on loco's more typically seen hauling freight so I generally avoid those niche loco's and the K-M's are before my earliest self designated cut off date of 1965 - imposed by my acquisition of D&RGW single stripe Genesis F3's and Chinese red pooled CB&Q power. Spikre, I suspect this idea's sell by date is about a generation too late. As noted my Mr. Mike, Spikre has a hard sell for demo loco's even more obscure and further back in time. Seems the 70's is the new transition era as the popularity of the 40's for model railroading is quickly fading with the waning numbers of that generation which remembers those days. |
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Post by Judge Doom on Apr 15, 2015 11:24:31 GMT -8
 Don't need any here! |
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Post by TBird1958 on Apr 15, 2015 11:26:50 GMT -8
I'd probably cave in and buy 3 KM's if somebody did them..........
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Post by calzephyr on Apr 15, 2015 11:29:01 GMT -8
They were built in mid 1945 and scrapped in 1947 after serving in demo services for less than two years, which results in no orders. It would be hard for a brass importer to make money on this model. A few collectors might want it but the average modeler probably would not be interested. Yet somehow we have an Ingalls Shipbuilding unit in brass.... Sure, the case could be made that the Ingalls served for twenty years but it also toiled in the relative obscurity (in a railfan sense of the word) of Mobile Alabama and southern Mississippi. To borrow a line from the old Atlas forum, one has to REALLY like the GM&O or REALLY like obscure diesels to pony up the cash for an Ingalls. I would think that with brass, there's probably room for both. The Ingalls is a prefect example causing the importer going bankrupt. That is what took place when the item was in the works and Global Outlet is no more. They had imported the 5011 Santa Fe class 2-10-4, which is a great model and had some more good items in the works but decided on the one of a kind, which did not sell!! I am not sure who ending up selling the model, but they wholesaled them quickly. Larry |
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Post by buffalobill on Apr 15, 2015 12:21:46 GMT -8
The ultimate in a low interest/ low audience - no interest product. Only one set ever built, with only two years of operation, wonder why manufacturers haven't lined up to build one. Like Jim, I think everyone can think of fifteen or twenty prototypes that would fair better than this beast in the market. Heck the the four unit GE carbody demo would fare better than this, you get two schemes Erie- UP, not just black, and they ran 3 times as long.
Bill
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Post by GP40P-2 on Apr 15, 2015 12:34:01 GMT -8
Before any manufacturer would devote a few hundred thousand to something that lasted less than two years, there is other fruit which will yield more profit and fill more of void like: GP40P-2 Check your Genesis GP40-2 instruction sheets.... The P-2 is apparently on the way at some point. Woo hoo! I need the entire fleet and will actually be able to afford the entire as built fleet! Another Jim |
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Apr 15, 2015 14:27:00 GMT -8
the information that seems to be available on the Black Marias is so sparse it would surely hinder any serious rivet counting. I'll toss my hat in the ring for those. |
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Post by mlehman on Apr 15, 2015 17:24:36 GMT -8
the information that seems to be available on the Black Marias is so sparse it would surely hinder any serious rivet counting. SNIP Exactly. I don't think it's necessarily being from the 40s that's the problem, although Jim's point is well taken and shifting interests in the market are noticeable when you've been around as long as we have. It's being historically invisible. Not that it didn't exist, but evidence is so scarce it's hard to get enough people interested in something they never saw. When you Google something for Images and get exactly one image, it should be sign that marketing this is going to be uphill all the way. Now, the Krauss-Maffei's have a ton of pics from years of operation (spotty as it was), two different RR owners in the US, and were something that could sell on both sides of the Atlantic (although K-Ms in Europe looked different IIRC correctly and were roughly as successful in the market there as here.) Not something you see everyday, but I'd buy a pair. |
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Post by jaygee on Apr 16, 2015 15:01:44 GMT -8
Nope..can't do a Mariah....but that N&W T6 and the Baby TM will twist me good. Same for a C415 in Espee!
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Post by alcoc430 on Apr 16, 2015 15:19:26 GMT -8
the information that seems to be available on the Black Marias is so sparse it would surely hinder any serious rivet counting. SNIP Exactly. I don't think it's necessarily being from the 40s that's the problem, although Jim's point is well taken and shifting interests in the market are noticeable when you've been around as long as we have. It's being historically invisible. Not that it didn't exist, but evidence is so scarce it's hard to get enough people interested in something they never saw. When you Google something for Images and get exactly one image, it should be sign that marketing this is going to be uphill all the way. Now, the Krauss-Maffei's have a ton of pics from years of operation (spotty as it was), two different RR owners in the US, and were something that could sell on both sides of the Atlantic (although K-Ms in Europe looked different IIRC correctly and were roughly as successful in the market there as here.) Not something you see everyday, but I'd buy a pair. Another factor in the K-M's favor is if you had an AHM one as a kid may spark enough of an memory to get one now. |
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Post by theengineshed on Apr 16, 2015 15:31:53 GMT -8
The CNJ units have already been done to a high standard in resin. Lots of subtle differences between the units, you couldn't cover all three roads with one shell, somebody would be a looser...  ARHS Baldwin DR 4-4-1500 Babyface by Engine Shed, on Flickr |
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Post by dti406 on Apr 16, 2015 18:17:52 GMT -8
The CNJ units have already been done to a high standard in resin. Lots of subtle differences between the units, you couldn't cover all three roads with one shell, somebody would be a looser... ARHS Baldwin DR 4-4-1500 Babyface by Engine Shed, on Flickr Does not do much good as these have not been available for years, and I have tried to acquire them! Rick J |
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