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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Aug 2, 2015 4:45:15 GMT -8
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Post by jlwii2000 on Aug 2, 2015 5:35:32 GMT -8
This week I work on scenery on the roundhouse module. Using Woodland Scenics Just Plug Lighting System, I did this in about 40 minutes:
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Post by nebrzephyr on Aug 2, 2015 6:47:07 GMT -8
James.....I'd say for 40 minutes of effort it looks pretty darn good! Now you just need to put something in those stalls.  Bob |
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Post by mrsocal on Aug 2, 2015 6:56:33 GMT -8
Great looking stuff guys, here is whats on my bench right now.  |
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Post by mlehman on Aug 2, 2015 8:22:56 GMT -8
Jim, Love the looks of "torpedo tubes" on early Geeps  Nice work! James, Looks like WS has made lighting easy, if not super cheap. Scotty, You're keeping it real Not much built this week, just lots of maintenance, etc, but did a lot of operating to sort out various issues. Here's the Houston-Portland Zephyr rolling into Durango.  I did finally scrape up enough funds from selling shake-a-box kits on ebay to get the 5 turnouts to finish up Snowden and make it fully operational. The camp cars at the end of track doing prep work were withdrawn to clear the deck for the track crews.  I happened to come across some forms that would build into nice tanks with some .010" styrene sheet wrappers to add to the Gramps pipeline terminal facilities. Not sure whether they will be behind the (slightly relocated) track...  Or in front to help disguise the end of track here.  |
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Post by Spikre on Aug 2, 2015 8:35:08 GMT -8
 Mike, whats wrong with Torpedo Tubes on GP35s ? meanwhile we do have the Redskins in town, how long before they start up about them changing their name again ? Spikre 
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Post by dti406 on Aug 2, 2015 9:32:26 GMT -8
Jim, always liked the torpedo tube geeps!, Mike and Scotty your work always inspires me, makes me do a better job on my modeling. I may have posted some of these pictures in the past, but I recently pulled this car off the shelf after a 2 year hiatus in building it. This is a PC X79 60' RBL for use in shipping Kelloggs Cereal out of Battle Creek, MI. Car was financed by Kelloggs and leased to the PC.  Resin & Plastic Kit contents as received from Rail Yard Models, includes trucks and decals.  Attached the ends to the frame first using gap filling ACC after cleaning up the flash (there is not much on a Rail Yard Models Kit). Attached one side, and then the stiffeners again using gap filling ACC. Not shown is a picture after adding the second side.  Added Evergreen Plastic Caps to the main beams and I beams and caps on the side beams along with installing the coupler pockets.   These two photos shown the brake gear air lines, rodding, quides, slack adjuster, air reservoir, ABD Valve and Brake Cylinder. Plans only show general locations the modeler must do all the cutting of wire and drilling to install these components.  Installed ladders, placard, and walk over platform on the "A" end of the car, subsittuted a piece of .012 wire for the kit supplied plastic rod for the hand rail as it is more robust to handling the car after completion. More work has been completed but not ready for pictures yet. Thanks for looking! Rick J |
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Post by mlehman on Aug 2, 2015 10:10:30 GMT -8
Mike, whats wrong with Torpedo Tubes on GP35s ? meanwhile we do have the Redskins in town, how long before they start up about them changing their name again ? Spikre Nothing wrong with them on GP35s, but that's a much more rare beast than the early Geeps. BTW, in case you haven't checked the roster, those Redskins are foobies...not a single Native American among them AFAIK. |
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Aug 2, 2015 10:44:22 GMT -8
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Post by mlehman on Aug 2, 2015 10:53:11 GMT -8
Jim,
Your overhead pics make something clear I hadn't previously recognized. The four air tanks on the roof are offset to the engineer's side!
Do you know the reason that is? Not that anyone worries too much about the roof design of locos other than it works, but I'm just curious about whether there's something on the fireman's side of the roof there they needed to leave clear for access?
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Post by TBird1958 on Aug 2, 2015 10:53:30 GMT -8
Nice work this week guys! Scotty, I really like that Waffle box! Here's a bit of progress on my Cannon & Co. GN car.  I usually have a couple projects going on at once, here's a simple upgrade on an Intermountain FMC car that I've replaced the supplied trucks with Athearn Genesis .088 tread ones. This meant shaving down the bolster on the car and the mounting ring on the truck - the car now rides nice and low on it's new trucks, like the prototype.   Here it's been dullcoted.....  After 30 mins with two shades of brown colored pencil followed by two shades of chalk.   |
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Post by fr8kar on Aug 2, 2015 12:00:09 GMT -8
I posted these in the ACF 4600 upgrade thread, but I'll post them here, too. Lately I don't get as many opportunities to build models as I'd like, so if I actually get something done I'm too happy to share.   The car was upgraded with brake piping, Hi-Tech air hoses, a Plano roofwalk, Intermountain wheels and some Evergreen strip (the new rib on the carbody side) and rod (the replacement rungs). I painted it with Model Master Flat Gull Gray, sealed it with Future, applied Microscale and Highball Graphics decals, then sealed it with Dullcote. |
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Post by kcjones on Aug 2, 2015 13:15:20 GMT -8
Ok. I know that this is off the wall, but... I delivered a load of Kadee "scale" couplers to Gunderson this past week. A friend of mine had asked me if I had signed up for the NMRA "Gunderson " tour. Why?  |
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Aug 2, 2015 14:22:25 GMT -8
Jim, Love the looks of "torpedo tubes" on early Geeps Nice work! Me too, but those are SD18s. Still look great. |
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Post by mlehman on Aug 2, 2015 16:16:02 GMT -8
Jim, Love the looks of "torpedo tubes" on early Geeps Nice work! Me too, but those are SD-24s. Still look great. Yeah, bad eyes,kinda dark down there, but Jim insists they're -18Ms? I am also further mystified. No SD with steam generators until later, right? So what are the air tanks doing up there? Which just shows you I can't keep track when you guys start swapping diesel parts around, I just like the looks of the results That's probably why I should stick to imaginary diesels, like the NW2M:  Or the ultra-rare Rio Grande SDL-39:  |
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Post by theengineshed on Aug 2, 2015 17:40:16 GMT -8
More room for larger fuel tanks down below...
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Post by stevef45 on Aug 2, 2015 17:50:56 GMT -8
Ok. I know that this is off the wall, but... I delivered a load of Kadee "scale" couplers to Gunderson this past week. A friend of mine had asked me if I had signed up for the NMRA "Gunderson " tour. Why? How much does each one of those assemblies weigh? |
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Post by Spikre on Aug 2, 2015 18:15:37 GMT -8
SD24s had Large Fuel Tanks moving the Air tanks to the roof. they were Offset to clear pipes on the roof. Steam Generators were an Option since the 1st SD7 was built. don't recall any SD24s built with Steam Generators ? when the SD24 Turbos were removed they were given the Wrong SD18 designation,but it stuck. some did call them SD24Ms. Santa Fe's rebuilds were called SD26s. Spikre 
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Post by kcjones on Aug 2, 2015 20:09:58 GMT -8
Steve,
You know, I never thought to ask. Total load was about 42,000 lbs. in a 53' Pacer steel box. Next time I'll ask.
Guys, all of your work is great. The roundhouse is fantastic. I'll have to look into the Woodland Scenic lighting kits
JL
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Post by Christian on Aug 3, 2015 1:18:40 GMT -8
Using Woodland Scenics Just Plug Lighting System, I did this in about 40 minutes: Have you done a video review of that lighting system? |
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Aug 3, 2015 6:36:44 GMT -8
SD24s had Large Fuel Tanks moving the Air tanks to the roof. they were Offset to clear pipes on the roof. Steam Generators were an Option since the 1st SD7 was built. don't recall any SD24s built with Steam Generators ? when the SD24 Turbos were removed they were given the Wrong SD18 designation,but it stuck. some did call them SD24Ms. Santa Fe's rebuilds were called SD26s. Spikre As built the turbocharged SD24's were rated at 2400hp. In the 1980's the original owners of SD24's began to dispose of their fleets. Major owners included CB&Q(now Burlington Northern), Southern and Union Pacific. Precision National Corporation bought many former Southern and a few Union Pacific SD24's for lease service. At this time the units were still turbocharged. SD24's and their four axle sister the GP20 were the first turbocharged EMD's. The electrical and turbochargers on these units were prone to problems and as the units got older the more they malfunctioned and sat in the shop getting fixed. A unit which is in the shop is a unit that can't work and make profit for the railroad. So units began to be sold off or rebuilt. The Penn Central removed the turbochargers from the former New York Central GP20's very early in the existence of the PC. PC may have been the first railroad to remove the turbos. These units lasted into Conrail and even got Conrail paint. For PNC, the turbochargers still presented problems and lease units which are sitting aren't making money for PNC and are as useless as the proverbial parts on a bull for the leasing railroad. By the 1980's removing the turbochargers from early model turbocharged EMD's was becoming a good solution to solve the breakdowns and extend the useful life of the locomotive. SP and MP were two roads which were extending the life of GP20's and GP35's by removing the turbochargers and in some instances de-rating the locomotives to a lower horsepower. PNC sent the former SD24's to the Milwaukee Road's shops in Milwaukee to be rebuilt. In the process of removing the turbochargers, the units horsepower was reduced from 2400 to 1800. PNC called the units "SD18's" to signify their 1800 horsepower. Originally the rebuilt PNC SD18's were leased to the Burlington Northern and then to CNW. CNW in the 1980's was a railroad in transition. It was shedding many of its branch lines and under performing lines and working to slim itself down to a profitable core of lines. But, just like itself from the 1970's, a good used locomotive was a bargain that was hard to pass up, so CNW bought all the PNC SD18's. CNW kept the SD18 designation. Some are still earning their keep today for short lines. I've personally never seen or heard the SD24m designation. Union Pacific did do a one off rebuild of an SD24 and dubbed it an SD24R. SP when it removed the turbochargers from its GP20's it referred to them as GP20E/R's. MP kept the GP35. When dealing with ANY rebuilt unit, the model designation is a fluid issue. Milwaukee Road when it rebuilt its GP9's called them "GP20's" and even got GP20 model designation plates from EMD. At the same time as Milwaukee rebuilt its SD7's and some SD9's it called the rebuilt units "SD10's" and even have custom EMD "SD10" model designation plates added to the rebuilds. Illinois Central and later Illinois Central Gulf gave us GP8, GP10, GP11 and SD20's out of the roads Paducah, Kentucky shops. Family Lines had the model designation of GP16 for the GP7 and 9's that were rebuilt at it's Tampa, Florida shops. Seaboard System chopped the boiler portion of the car body out, rebuilt the rear steps to a standard EMD climb but retained the squared off rear section of its former SAL and L&N SDP35's and called them H15's as they were rebuilt for hump service. |
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Post by mlehman on Aug 3, 2015 7:51:43 GMT -8
Thanks to theengineshed, Spikre, and Jim, especially, for the detailed explanation. Now I know a bit more of a story that I've picked a few pieces up of over the years -- sitting close to the old IC, I'm fairly familiar with the Geeps from the Paducah rebuild program, but didn't know they also did some SDs, for example.
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Aug 3, 2015 8:53:03 GMT -8
Thanks to theengineshed, Spikre, and Jim, especially, for the detailed explanation. Now I know a bit more of a story that I've picked a few pieces up of over the years -- sitting close to the old IC, I'm fairly familiar with the Geeps from the Paducah rebuild program, but didn't know they also did some SDs, for example. The Paducah SD20's were rebuilt from former Union Pacific SD24 and SD24B's, Southern SD24's and B&O SD35's. Paducah really sliced, diced and made Julian fries out of the SD24's. The ex-SD35's are a bit less drastic.  |
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Post by sp8299 on Aug 4, 2015 5:14:24 GMT -8
SD24s had Large Fuel Tanks moving the Air tanks to the roof. they were Offset to clear pipes on the roof. Steam Generators were an Option since the 1st SD7 was built. don't recall any SD24s built with Steam Generators ? when the SD24 Turbos were removed they were given the Wrong SD18 designation,but it stuck. some did call them SD24Ms. Santa Fe's rebuilds were called SD26s. Spikre How is the SD18M designation "wrong?" It's what C&NW called them after they rebuilt and de-turbo'ed them, and since they no longer had turbos, they were then more or less mechanically the same as a factory SD18. C&NW could call them whatever they wanted to, and since they became the mechanical equivalent of a factory SD18 after rebuild, SD18M seems appropriate. Not much different from a GP40 being rebuilt without a turbocharger and designated "GP38M" or something similar, since mechanically, that's what it became. And not sure what Santa Fe's SD26s have to do with the discussion, since they kept their turbochargers, had 645 power assemblies installed on the original 567 block, and had the HP increased to 2,625, hence the "26" designation. |
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Post by Spikre on Aug 4, 2015 11:25:31 GMT -8
 SP8299, following the leads by X2200SOUTH,the locos were not Based on SD18s,and when rebuilt didn't match how a production SD18 would have become an SD18M. but since they started as SD24s,they should have been labled SD24Ms. even X2200SOUTH had problems with many rebuilt locos after the 70s Algae Like Bloom of Rebuilds. Spikre 
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Post by sp8299 on Aug 4, 2015 11:39:21 GMT -8
SP8299, following the leads by X2200SOUTH,the locos were not Based on SD18s,and when rebuilt didn't match how a production SD18 would have become an SD18M. but since they started as SD24s,they should have been labled SD24Ms. even X2200SOUTH had problems with many rebuilt locos after the 70s algae like Bloom of Rebuilds. Spikre X2200S isn't a railroad. As I said, the railroad can call its locomotives whatever they like, tooth gnashing by railfans or not. While some designations are purely arbitrary, some, like the CNW's, fall logically with other EMD models. And as I said, the designation SD18 for CNW's rebuilt, de-turboe'd SD24s makes perfect sense. Internally, they became SD18s, which is all that matters to the guys spinning wrenches on them and running them. By your logic, calling them SD24M implies they still had a turbocharged 567, which they didn't, and muddies the waters. By your same logic, would you call a GP40 rebuilt without a turbocharger and equipped with a PAF box a "GP40M?" |
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Post by sp8299 on Aug 4, 2015 11:43:13 GMT -8
Thanks to theengineshed, Spikre, and Jim, especially, for the detailed explanation. Now I know a bit more of a story that I've picked a few pieces up of over the years -- sitting close to the old IC, I'm fairly familiar with the Geeps from the Paducah rebuild program, but didn't know they also did some SDs, for example. The Paducah SD20's were rebuilt from former Union Pacific SD24 and SD24B's, Southern SD24's and B&O SD35's. Paducah really sliced, diced and made Julian fries out of the SD24's. The ex-SD35's are a bit less drastic. I've always had a soft spot for the IC/ICG SD20s. Just a neat looking locomotive all around IMHO, though I can understand why some folks might not care for them since SD24s, 35s, etc. got sliced and diced to become them. I've been fortunate enough to see and photograph PHL's SD20s before they went bye-bye a few years ago. |
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Post by Spikre on Aug 4, 2015 11:59:50 GMT -8
SP8299, there was plenty of differences between the SD24 and SD18s besides the addition of a turbocharger. different: engine blocks traction motors main generators for the big items,many other smaller items. SD24M makes sense for a De-Turboed SD24. SD24U makes sense for an upgraded unit that kept its turbo. but Santa Fe did call its 645ized SD24s SD26. since IC rated the up-graded blocks at 2000 HP,SD20 does make sense as they really did a major to the frame rebuild on them. C&NW didn't go nearly as far as IC did and calling them SD18s makes as little sense as Milwaukee calling their GP9Us GP20s. the most interesting SD24 was the U.P. one with the constant speed 3300HP 645 in it,but U.P. decided that SD40s made more sense than 645 powered SD24s. SP made more sense with SD9Es,GP9Es,GP35Es etc,just had to figure out what the E encomposed. Spikre
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Post by sp8299 on Aug 4, 2015 12:08:56 GMT -8
SP8299, there was plenty of differences between the SD24 and SD18s besides the addition of a turbocharger. different: engine blocks traction motors main generators for the big items,many other smaller items. SD24M makes sense for a De-Turboed SD24. SD24U makes sense for an upgraded unit that kept its turbo. but Santa Fe did call its 645ized SD24s SD26. since IC rated the up-graded blocks at 2000 HP,SD20 does make sense as they really did a major to the frame rebuild on them. C&NW didn't go nearly as far as IC did and calling them SD18s makes as little sense as Milwaukee calling their GP9Us GP20s. the most interesting SD24 was the U.P. one with the constant speed 3300HP 645 in it,but U.P. decided that SD40s made more sense than 645 powered SD24s. SP made more sense with SD9Es,GP9Es,GP35Es etc,just had to figure out what the E encomposed. Spikre Why are you trying to change the subject? Talking about CNWs rebuilt secondhand SD24s, they were de-turboe'd 567s, and were mechanically SD18s when all said and done. And you avoided my point about de-turboe'd GP40s. Would you call them GP40M, based on your logic? Or call them GP38M, which every single rebuilder and railroad has called them, since mechanically, that's what they are? |
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Post by Spikre on Aug 4, 2015 12:16:12 GMT -8
 SP8299, will get the specs of the different 567s used in GP/SD18s and SD24s. they were far from the same inside. favorite GP40 whatevers were the M-K units on Jersey Transit with the F45 bodies on them. over all rebuilt EMDs are a classic PITA. Spikre 
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