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Post by The Ferro Kid on Oct 6, 2015 21:46:37 GMT -8
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Post by Judge Doom on Oct 7, 2015 0:17:09 GMT -8
And the prices keep creeping up...those pickups seem a bit high for one truck.
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Post by markfj on Oct 7, 2015 3:45:46 GMT -8
The ACF 5701/5800 covered hopper in PC caught my attention. The other ACF and cylindrical covered hoppers I have from Atlas are all nice detailed and painted, so I’m not too upset about the MSRP on these cars. Figuring the prices will be bit lower once they hit the large online retailers makes it a little more tolerable.
Thanks, Mark
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Post by Christian on Oct 7, 2015 3:48:23 GMT -8
Undecorated Ford is interesting. I wonder if any will be sold in this day and age?
OK, I'll buy one to paint red and cream and hope that it isn't glued together.
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Post by dti406 on Oct 7, 2015 4:07:29 GMT -8
The ACF 5701/5800 covered hopper in PC caught my attention. The other ACF and cylindrical covered hoppers I have from Atlas are all nice detailed and painted, so I’m not too upset about the MSRP on these cars. Figuring the prices will be bit lower once they hit the large online retailers makes it a little more tolerable. Thanks, Mark Wrong car, the PC 5700's came from the NYC which had a longer lower car style than the model. Rick J |
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Post by atsfan on Oct 7, 2015 5:02:22 GMT -8
Yikes.
$25 for a Pines Trailer??
Those arent new.
Glad I stocked up at Train Shows 10 years ago.
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Post by milgentrains on Oct 7, 2015 5:16:07 GMT -8
Yikes. $25 for a Pines Trailer?? Those arent new. Glad I stocked up at Train Shows 10 years ago. I'm glad also that I stocked up on the trailers also. I will have to bite twice for the Seaboard trailers. At least two of the pickups also. |
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Post by riogrande on Oct 7, 2015 5:50:07 GMT -8
I think I bought the Pines trailers originally at less than half that price; had around 9 or 10 but I later found they were/are too new for me as dated from around 1992-1994 time frame. Trailers from both Atlas and Athearn have basically doubled in price since earlier runs. Be aware that some of the paint schemes are fantasy.
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Post by SOMECALLMETIM on Oct 7, 2015 6:12:38 GMT -8
I originally was excited for the Ford trucks, but the overall quality doesn't look that good. Windows being the weakest area to my eyes. Would like to see them in person to see what the final product looks like.
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Post by markfj on Oct 7, 2015 6:17:08 GMT -8
The ACF 5701/5800 covered hopper in PC caught my attention. The other ACF and cylindrical covered hoppers I have from Atlas are all nice detailed and painted, so I’m not too upset about the MSRP on these cars. Figuring the prices will be bit lower once they hit the large online retailers makes it a little more tolerable. Thanks, Mark Wrong car, the PC 5700's came from the NYC which had a longer lower car style than the model. Rick J Awe rats! These look like really nice cars too. Thanks for the heads up. Mark |
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Post by dti406 on Oct 7, 2015 6:30:28 GMT -8
Wrong car, the PC 5700's came from the NYC which had a longer lower car style than the model. Rick J Awe rats! These look like really nice cars too. Thanks for the heads up. Mark Thanks just so everyone knows, here is where the real car came from and the differences with the Atlas car. www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc892155aga.jpgRick J |
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Post by fr8kar on Oct 7, 2015 6:36:20 GMT -8
I like the BF Goodrich hopper. I can use one of those to break up the sea of gray.
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Post by riogrande on Oct 7, 2015 7:16:36 GMT -8
I noticed in the caption for the 45' Pines trailers it says " the model has extremely accurate painting and printing."
If these are like past examples I've seen, they were missing the upper and lower side sill metallic paint, that's not what I would call extremely accurate painting. Also (correct me if I am wrong) some of the paint schemes such as Tran America long horizontal red/blue stripe and Preferred Pool were never used on the Pines trailers. Some past product announcements at least stated: "*Paint Schemes are correct for 45' Trailers not manufactured by Pines." to indicate they were fantasy schemes but not this time around.
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Post by scl1234 on Oct 7, 2015 7:56:09 GMT -8
I originally was excited for the Ford trucks, but the overall quality doesn't look that good. Windows being the weakest area to my eyes. Would like to see them in person to see what the final product looks like. Just scenic the location, where the F-100 would appear, as an ice storm (what the F-100 windows in the announcement look like). |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Oct 7, 2015 7:59:22 GMT -8
The "5701's" appear awfully crude when I look up decent photos of them. Too bad. I would likely buy some if they were to the T&E&M standard. But not these.
And the pickups are interesting (and expensive), but I'm concerned about the phrase "Artist Rendering Shown". WHY is there an artist rendering and not a photo of the model?
Ed
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Post by jonklein611 on Oct 7, 2015 8:15:18 GMT -8
I like the BF Goodrich hopper. I can use one of those to break up the sea of gray. I got one in recently in HO and N, the detail is quite nice. |
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Post by espeenut on Oct 7, 2015 8:25:22 GMT -8
...as some of you have aptly expressed, with prices going the way they are, I am also very happy that I picked up most of what I need over the past number of years. I can't believe what they want for an HO scale vehicle or trailer now, particularly irking when you look at the pictures of the F-100 and see the quite apparent toy like quality when compared to their earlier releases...
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Post by atsfan on Oct 7, 2015 8:26:41 GMT -8
I noticed in the caption for the 45' Pines trailers it says " the model has extremely accurate painting and printing." If these are like past examples I've seen, they were missing the upper and lower side sill metallic paint, thats not what I woudl call extemely accurate painting. Also (correct me if I am wrong) some of the paint schemes such as TranAmerica long horizontal red/blue stripe and Preferred Pool were never used on the Pines trailers. Some past product announcements at least stated: "*Paint Schemes are correct for 45' Trailers not manufactured by Pines." to indicate they were fantasy schemes but not this time around. I picked these up for $5 at train shows. Not sure if the paint was correct At $5 it didn't matter For $25 ........ |
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Post by Judge Doom on Oct 7, 2015 8:40:58 GMT -8
That's a lot of cast-on details for a "Master line" car and $42 price tag. From the previous run in 2014 ($5 price increase):  www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/ho5701c.htmAtlas has in the recent past migrated a bunch of their regular-line cars to their Master line, with a higher pricetag. The ACF cylindicals with all the cast-on grabs and thick plastic roofwalk are included (I recently bought one thinking it had some upgrades to put it in the Master line, nope - same quality and tooling as the prior cars in their regular line). |
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Post by markfj on Oct 7, 2015 8:42:54 GMT -8
Judge: Thanks for posting the larger picture. Yes, way too much bulky detail for the price.
Ok, the PC car was a bust, but what about the 89’ flat cars, are they accurate for the TTX Pennsy heritage scheme? That price on the 45’ Pines Trailers must be a typo; $25 just seems too crazy to be real.
Mark
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Post by oldmuley on Oct 7, 2015 9:26:48 GMT -8
The detail of the F100's really needs to be stepped up for the price they are asking. I'll reserve judgment until they hit the LHS.
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Post by wp8thsub on Oct 7, 2015 9:37:46 GMT -8
I saw the pre-production F100 at the National Train Show, and wasn't particularly impressed. The images that accompany the product announcement don't do much for my enthusiasm either.   Compare the prototype images...  ...to the Atlas rendering. A lot of the proportions seem off to me, in particular the greenhouse and body side at the rear of the bed. The horizontal character line looks way too narrow, and the lower body side contour and fender flares don't look right to me at all (the body should curve inward rather than just going straight down, plus there shouldn't be chrome between the front wheel opening and the bumper). Also now how far the wiper arms are from where they should be. The toy wheels and tires don't help. I was hoping this model would be nice enough to pick up several, as my layout could use them. As it is, I may only get one, if that. |
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Post by riogrande on Oct 7, 2015 9:51:30 GMT -8
They might be decent enough for one of the bi-level autoracks, but at that cost, it's going to be a bit costly!
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Post by atsfan on Oct 7, 2015 10:06:08 GMT -8
It appears Atlas also believes in Generic Auto Modeling, since this is not much better than generic.
All they have to do is change the grill to make it not look like a 1970 Ford.
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Post by stevewagner on Oct 7, 2015 10:06:37 GMT -8
There were complaints about the level of detail on the extra-long covered hopper cars (with different hatches for grain and for plastic pellets) when they were first released.
In fairness to Atlas, recent runs of the ACF cylindrical Center Flows have had much nicer rooftop running boards than what earlier runs had, and some of their details are quite delicate.
And it's very hard to judge the quality of the detail and the clarity of the windows of the forthcoming 1973 Ford F-100 pickups from the artist's renderings posted.
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Post by atsfan on Oct 7, 2015 10:07:08 GMT -8
That's a lot of cast-on details for a "Master line" car and $42 price tag. From the previous run in 2014 ($5 price increase): www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/ho5701c.htmAtlas has in the recent past migrated a bunch of their regular-line cars to their Master line, with a higher pricetag. The ACF cylindicals with all the cast-on grabs and thick plastic roofwalk are included (I recently bought one thinking it had some upgrades to put it in the Master line, nope - same quality and tooling as the prior cars in their regular line). Compared to a Tangent car, this car is really crude and clunky looking. |
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Post by atsfan on Oct 7, 2015 10:08:19 GMT -8
There were complaints about the level of detail on the extra-long covered hopper cars (with different hatches for grain and for plastic pellets) when they were first released. In fairness to Atlas, recent runs of the ACF cylindrical Center Flows have had much nicer rooftop running boards than what earlier runs had, and some of their details are quite delicate. And it's very hard to judge the quality of the detail and the clarity of the windows of the forthcoming 1973 Ford F-100 pickups from the artist's renderings posted. In fairness to Modelers Atlas charged substantially more for for the nicer rooftops. |
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Post by ed on Oct 7, 2015 11:18:12 GMT -8
I have a lot of HO vehicles. I never bothered with the Atlas Explorers because, for the price, they looked particularly under detailed and cheap. I hope that the people at Atlas do a better job with the F100. Given the "artist's rendering", I tend to think that they are cheaping out again. The Classic Metal Works pickups are a better deal for the price.
Does Atlas really care about their customer base anymore?
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Post by Judge Doom on Oct 7, 2015 11:23:40 GMT -8
There were complaints about the level of detail on the extra-long covered hopper cars (with different hatches for grain and for plastic pellets) when they were first released. In fairness to Atlas, recent runs of the ACF cylindrical Center Flows have had much nicer rooftop running boards than what earlier runs had, and some of their details are quite delicate. And it's very hard to judge the quality of the detail and the clarity of the windows of the forthcoming 1973 Ford F-100 pickups from the artist's renderings posted. In fairness to Modelers Atlas charged substantially more for for the nicer rooftops. Not even. They had that *ACF cylindrical* rooftop in the normal "Ready to Run" line runs years ago when the MSRP was $21.95 (looking at the 2007 release). Nothing has changed* comparing the new Master line car I have next to an older version. It was, I believe, the original runs from the 1990's (and maybe early 2000's?) that had the non-see-through plastic roof, which was upgraded to a see-through plastic roof sometime in the 2000's (I have one of those cars too). *The only thing that I noticed was slightly different metal 36" wheelsets, but those could have to do with changing manufacturers to the one Bowser & IMRC use. |
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Post by dti406 on Oct 7, 2015 11:36:25 GMT -8
In fairness to Modelers Atlas charged substantially more for for the nicer rooftops. Not even. They had that rooftop in the normal "Ready to Run" line runs years ago when the MSRP was $21.95. Nothing has changed* comparing the Master line car I have next to an older version. It was, I believe, the original runs from the 1990's (and maybe early 2000's?) that had the non-see-through plastic roof, which was upgraded to a see-through plastic roof sometime in the 2000's (I have one of those cars too). *The only thing that I noticed was slightly different metal 36" wheelsets, but those could have to do with changing manufacturers to the one Bowser & IMRC use. My 5701 that I painted for Dependable Feeds has the metal roof walk and grabs, but the other details are still the same.  Rick J |
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