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Post by edwardsutorik on Nov 4, 2015 17:57:32 GMT -8
I am warming up to these fellas (see photo immediately above). But only for a quality RTR one. I'm a lazy ole slug, and I have to put my limited model building energy elsewhere.
Ed
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Post by slowfreight on Nov 4, 2015 18:12:07 GMT -8
Folks really need to include a "none" option in their polling. You cant's give nothing but "yes" options and then say "see, everybody wants one". Put me down for "no". -Dave No, folks don't need to include a "no" option. I deliberately left it off because I can safely assume 99.75% of all modelers don't want one. Not to be rude, but I really don't care that you don't want one. What I care about is roughly how many people will say yes. And what kind of options they are interested in, since this isn't a Genesis-style RTR model we're talking about. Mike really needed to know whether people wanted the Athearn vs. Atlas mechanism before designing a drop-in frame so you don't have to stretch one. |
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Post by Donnell Wells on Nov 4, 2015 18:17:06 GMT -8
Such a handsome brute! And it looks perfectly at home (and comfortable) pulling a string of Superliners!
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Post by slowfreight on Nov 4, 2015 18:41:14 GMT -8
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Post by edwardsutorik on Nov 4, 2015 18:52:02 GMT -8
Folks really need to include a "none" option in their polling. You cant's give nothing but "yes" options and then say "see, everybody wants one". Put me down for "no". -Dave No, folks don't need to include a "no" option. I deliberately left it off because I can safely assume 99.75% of all modelers don't want one. Not to be rude, but I really don't care that you don't want one. What I care about is roughly how many people will say yes. And what kind of options they are interested in, since this isn't a Genesis-style RTR model we're talking about. Mike really needed to know whether people wanted the Athearn vs. Atlas mechanism before designing a drop-in frame so you don't have to stretch one. Actually, you ARE being rude when you ask a question and don't want an answer. You could easily have written the subject line to reflect your interest. And you didn't. I wonder if that was by intent or by accident. Either one doesn't reflect well on you. Ed |
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Post by djh4d on Nov 4, 2015 19:20:09 GMT -8
What I care about is roughly how many people will say yes. but I really don't care that you don't want one. What?  Mind = Blown. -Dave |
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Post by kcjones on Nov 4, 2015 19:26:58 GMT -8
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Post by kcjones on Nov 4, 2015 19:49:32 GMT -8
Well I'll be. I just noticed that the first 702 was on the PL or CNO in Kenner heading for Chicago and the second 702 was on the Sunset heading for LA.
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Post by slowfreight on Nov 4, 2015 20:13:10 GMT -8
What I care about is roughly how many people will say yes. but I really don't care that you don't want one. What? <snip> Mind = Blown. -Dave I'm not interested in a flame war here, but you presumed that I would ever state "See, everybody wants one." That blew my mind, mainly because it felt like someone just put words in my mouth. Endless "no" responses tell us what we already knew...that most people don't want any given model. You could just as easily say "If the phone doesn't ring you'll know it's me." All of that notwithstanding, I threw the entire post together in 5 minutes in between everything else in life because it seemed like it might help someone who works hard to make a living selling model trains. Maybe if I did web-based marketing studies for a living I could write something that makes its intent clearer. But forums being what they are, flaming will continue even if you and I find agreement--and is part of what keeps things interesting. Anything else would mean we took a hobby too seriously, no? |
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Post by BEDT26 on Nov 4, 2015 22:04:29 GMT -8
I have to say that as much as I like the P30CH,
I'd rather have the SDP40F.
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Nov 4, 2015 22:28:36 GMT -8
SNIP Anybody know what ever happened to the American GK P30CH tooling?.. -Tom My very thoughts. But did it ever exist? GK was advertising it, but I can't remember if they ever showed a picture of the model. If it did exist, seems it would have gone to Walthers with the other GK items. |
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Post by Judge Doom on Nov 4, 2015 23:32:50 GMT -8
Folks really need to include a "none" option in their polling. You cant's give nothing but "yes" options and then say "see, everybody wants one". Put me down for "no". -Dave No, folks don't need to include a "no" option. I deliberately left it off because I can safely assume 99.75% of all modelers don't want one. Not to be rude, but I really don't care that you don't want one. What I care about is roughly how many people will say yes. And what kind of options they are interested in, since this isn't a Genesis-style RTR model we're talking about. Mike really needed to know whether people wanted the Athearn vs. Atlas mechanism before designing a drop-in frame so you don't have to stretch one. So wait a minute, instead of having all the logical options, you just assume everyone who cares enough to click on the thread to read it is someone who wants one, and that the LOADED poll is about how much they want one. Gee, sounds biased to me. How about "How much do you want a P30CH?" as a title? Oh wait, that would still exclude the no's. And, not to be rude, but I really don't care that you want one. I don't. |
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Post by amtrakmatt on Nov 5, 2015 0:39:45 GMT -8
I'm glad to see a few people know their P30CH history and pointed out the sizeable variety of locations and trains these units were used on. Looking at some earlier posts you'd think the P30CH never went anywhere but the east. "Just because I don't remember it or didn't see it must mean it didn't happen?"
The Pooch was he first new Amtrak locomotive to come with HEP; designed to operate with the new Amfleets. Everything else at the time was steam heat. In the end they were mostly used on long haul trains.
I'd like three or four units for an Auto Train but I have little to no interest in a kit these days and would likely pass. I have too many scratch building/kit bashing projects back logged to justify investing in more. RTR from a big name mfg and sign me up for a down payment.
Someone asked about the American GK. There was an ad with an image of it but it is believed to be a scratch built sample as I don't think tooling was ever cut. Even If it were it would likely be substandard to today's expectations.
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Post by Donnell Wells on Nov 5, 2015 6:04:46 GMT -8
The thread is is titled, "Who wants a P30CH?" The question already infers that those who do not want one will not answer, therefore the poll does not require a "no" response. It would be the same as if a school teacher asked his or her students, "Who needs to go to the restroom?" As with the OP, the teacher is only looking to affirm those that have a need or desire to go.
Now had he initially asked, "Do you want a...", a "no" response would have been justified.
Donnell
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Post by curtmc on Nov 5, 2015 17:04:24 GMT -8
Actually the thread is "Who want's a P30CH?" and in a proper poll one of the selections should have been "I do not"... (which would have been my selection)
It is NOT the same as the teacher asking a classroom - who they can see all of - whether they need to go to the restroom... And I bet if a teacher asks that question they'll see many shaking their heads "no" or saying "I don't"...
For the poll as it was presented - the topic thread should have been something like "If you want a P30CH, what type of shell/mechanism would you want?"
If you ask anybody who deals with or prepares polls, any question that could have a "no" or "I don't" as a possible reply should have that among the selections. In this case the OP question can certainly have a "I don't" answer and thus that should have been in the options.
If a highway department asks the citizens of a county if they want a road they don't ask "dirt", "gravel", "paved" or "freeway" and have those as the only options... They ask "yes" or "no", and they might have various yes options ("yes, gravel", "yes, paved 2-lane", "yes, paved arterial"...) for the type of road but not without "no" being one of the options.
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Post by Donnell Wells on Nov 5, 2015 18:28:17 GMT -8
Actually the thread is "Who want's a P30CH?" and in a proper poll one of the selections should have been "I do not"... (which would have been my selection) It is NOT the same as the teacher asking a classroom - who they can see all of - whether they need to go to the restroom... And I bet if a teacher asks that question they'll see many shaking their heads "no" or saying "I don't"... For the poll as it was presented - the topic thread should have been something like "If you want a P30CH, what type of shell/mechanism would you want?"If you ask anybody who deals with or prepares polls, any question that could have a "no" or "I don't" as a possible reply should have that among the selections. In this case the OP question can certainly have a "I don't" answer and thus that should have been in the options. If a highway department asks the citizens of a county if they want a road they don't ask "dirt", "gravel", "paved" or "freeway" and have those as the only options... They ask "yes" or "no", and they might have various yes options ("yes, gravel", "yes, paved 2-lane", "yes, paved arterial"...) for the type of road but not without "no" being one of the options.
If it was going to be anyone...
Curt, what are you talking about? In your opening sentence, you restated what I had already affirmed. And since you want to try and split hairs, the correct spelling is wants, not want's. Anyhow, the poll is fine just as it is. He asked the question, "Who wants..." If he wanted to know who didn't want one, I'm sure he would have asked, "Do you want...", or "Would you want..." It really can't be any more simple than that.
Second, this is model railroad forum to which was posted a simple model railroad related question. I don't understand why some have to make it so difficult. If you want one, just say so. That's what the question was asking. If you don't, why even bother addressing the question?! It doesn't even interest you! It causes undue controversy for no other reason than to be heard. Well, sometimes saying nothing speaks loudly...
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Post by oldmuley on Nov 5, 2015 19:04:48 GMT -8
No, never... (and I thought the BL2 was an ugly engine!)
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Nov 5, 2015 19:37:37 GMT -8
No, never... (and I thought the BL2 was an ugly engine!) GE had what I thought was a handsome nose on the U30CG, and I've never understood why they felt the need to re-invent that on the P30CH. |
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