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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 19:02:16 GMT -8
Okay:
I know it's late in the day...but here's my Conrail day request:
1. "Updated" models of the Conrail H-39; H-39A; and H-39B coal hoppers. Conrail had over 10,000 of these cars...old Stewart/Bowser car...needs updated.
2. Updated HE7A; B; C; or E; hoppers...again, I believe this is an old Stewart/Bowser car...needs updated.
3. A seldom requested car would be the HR1B and HR1C Bethlehem Steel triple hoppers...would be a NICE car to have.
These don't have to be Platinum ExactRail or Tangent cars...since they would be needed in quantities...so, maybe a combination would be nice. Conrail's rosters were LOADED (no pun intended) with these hoppers...
It would be nice to have them in the HO scale fold. And, yes, I'd buy about 100 of them...combined.
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Apr 1, 2016 19:59:09 GMT -8
To which I would add, one of the original New York Central classes of Flexi-Flo hopper, which lasted into Conrail. (I am aware of -- and have several of -- the excellent Spring Mills PD3000 Flexi-Flos, but those were delivered to PC and have some significant differences. I also have several of the AHM Flexi-Flo, but it's a major undertaking to get them upgraded, for which I haven't been able to find time.)
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Post by alcoc430 on Apr 2, 2016 6:37:32 GMT -8
I would add a Alco T6. Two of which made it to Conrail blue.
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Post by roadkill on Apr 2, 2016 14:10:03 GMT -8
H39 and subclasses??? H*LL YEA!!!And while we're at it how about G43 (and subclasses) gondolas? And a G38 ore jenny to go with the Stewart/Bowser G39's???
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Post by BEDT26 on Apr 3, 2016 8:05:24 GMT -8
To which I would add, one of the original New York Central classes of Flexi-Flo hopper, which lasted into Conrail. (I am aware of -- and have several of -- the excellent Spring Mills PD3000 Flexi-Flos, but those were delivered to PC and have some significant differences. I also have several of the AHM Flexi-Flo, but it's a major undertaking to get them upgraded, for which I haven't been able to find time.) If you mean these I'm in for some myself.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 17:15:10 GMT -8
Back on the coal hoppers...I took an old Stewart Hobbies/Bowser shell for the 12 panel (HE7A) hopper...and plopped it in my mill. It's possible to shave off the offending grab irons and such from the sides...and I might be forced to do just that over time...if we don't get a better model out there. The same would hold true for the 14 panel hopper as well. It's VERY time consuming...but doable...if you have a mill. Yes, you could simply nip them off...and sand away...but the mill is much easier. But, one would also need to remove the brake wheel housing...and install proper equipment.
If we could get them revised to resemble the Bowser 100 ton H-43 car...with it's tooling...it would be okay with me. I'd buy them from Bowser. But, they are simply too klunky to even look good in their present state; IMO; with the Bowser cars...let alone a Tangent PS 2750 or the best hopper on the market...the ExactRail 3737.
Would LOVE to see Conrail done justice...especially with all the 1970's motive power from Genesis and Atlas out there...to lug these cars around with!!!
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Post by urr566 on Apr 5, 2016 18:01:07 GMT -8
How about a more modern car, like the H2 hopper? They've never been done in any scale to my knowledge. NS still has some out there. I can remember in the late 90's seeing solid trains of them when they were brand new. They could be done with CR and NYC reporting marks. Kind of an oddball since they are quad hoppers but I think some late era CR guys might like having them?
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Post by lvrr325 on Apr 6, 2016 6:40:11 GMT -8
Some of the HE7 cars made it all the way to 1998 without ever being repainted.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 12:39:17 GMT -8
Some of the HE7 cars made it all the way to 1998 without ever being repainted. I would like a boat load of them...for my interchange at Karnak IL. The Conrail (NYC Big 4) ran southwest from Vincennes IN to Cairo IL...and crossed the former C&EI at Karnak IL. There were a couple of large coal mines on the line...served by NYC/PC/Conrail...until 1982. C&EI successor MP hauled this coal from Karnak to Joppa on the old C&EI Joppa Branch...but a regular mix of CR hoppers included a LOT of the cars I listed above...plus the H-43's of the CR/PRR/PC...and this motley assortment of battered 70 ton hoppers made daily trips behind the MP's own quad hoppers to Joppa IL. In 1982, Conrail sold the line to the early NS. Which allows a different set of hoppers to be used...of which I currently have 50 cars. I prefer the Conrail era in 1979-1980, personally. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 12:45:25 GMT -8
How about a more modern car, like the H2 hopper? They've never been done in any scale to my knowledge. NS still has some out there. I can remember in the late 90's seeing solid trains of them when they were brand new. They could be done with CR and NYC reporting marks. Kind of an oddball since they are quad hoppers but I think some late era CR guys might like having them? I'm a 1970's era modeler...but if that car were done...it would be fine with me. I personally wouldn't buy them...as they don't fit my era...I'm specifically looking for older hoppers that would be from predecessor roads NYC, PRR, PC, Reading, etc., and the CR repainted versions of those 70 ton cars. We have some models on the market that are way past their "prime" IMO...that need a makeover...or an entirely new model. |
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Post by markfj on Apr 6, 2016 16:16:45 GMT -8
I completely agree that an updated H39 is needed. Those Bowser H39 kits aren't very easy to find and the RTR prices keep creeping up (maybe a little too high for the quality of the tooling, but that’s just my opinion).
You would think Exactrail or Tangent would jump in on a 70's era coal car for Conrail, but maybe they don't want to do the H39 since it is already available from Bowser.
Thanks, Mark
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 6:35:32 GMT -8
Just got an email today from Bowser...showing several CR schemes on that old car...$23.95 each. Sure would be nice if those cars were upgraded with wire grabs and slope sheet bracing...
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Post by roadkill on Apr 8, 2016 7:32:29 GMT -8
I managed to scrounge, oh, around a hundred or so various roadname Stewart H39's over the years but I don't relish the thought of stripping, redetailing, and decaling that many cars... c'om on, Bowser (or Tangent, or Exactrail), step up to the plate already.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 11:44:26 GMT -8
I managed to scrounge, oh, around a hundred or so various roadname Stewart H39's over the years but I don't relish the thought of stripping, redetailing, and decaling that many cars... c'om on, Bowser (or Tangent, or Exactrail), step up to the plate already. I had around 55 of them myself. But, they don't even come close (IMO) to the Bowser H-43 100 ton 3 bay car. Much less the ExactRail quads they would be trundling behind. Sold them off. Then Tangent releases a PS 2750...great car...but we need a Conrail type car, too. That H-39 would be very nice! |
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Post by bluedash2 on Apr 23, 2016 14:58:35 GMT -8
We also need an SW1001 made.
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Post by Amboy Secondary on Apr 23, 2016 18:48:25 GMT -8
We also need an SW1001 made. Absolutely. It was truly amazing how they got around the system. |
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Post by roadkill on May 4, 2016 12:30:46 GMT -8
H39 and subclasses??? H*LL YEA!!! And while we're at it how about G43 (and subclasses) gondolas? And a G38 ore jenny to go with the Stewart/Bowser G39's??? AND TANGENT HITS ONE OUTTA THE PARK!!! Thanks, Tangent!!! |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 18:10:20 GMT -8
H39 and subclasses??? H*LL YEA!!! And while we're at it how about G43 (and subclasses) gondolas? And a G38 ore jenny to go with the Stewart/Bowser G39's??? AND TANGENT HITS ONE OUTTA THE PARK!!! Thanks, Tangent!!! Cross this one off the list. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 15:39:36 GMT -8
Tangent or ExactRail would NAIL the Conrail hoppers, IMO.
Bring 'em on!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 14:51:05 GMT -8
Wonder if we'll ever see some high quality Conrail and predecessor road names in the 70 ton variety? Or are we stuck with the stewart/bowser retreads?
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Post by timmie on Mar 19, 2018 16:33:17 GMT -8
Wonder if we'll ever see some high quality Conrail and predecessor road names in the 70 ton variety? Or are we stuck with the stewart/bowser retreads? I understand the want and the need for a nice new release of a certain car...but at least there is a model of the car you want. 😋 You can still make a train of them, even if they are retreads. But I completely agree. Even the detail level of basic rtr models are 10 times better than old 80s,90s and even early 00s molds, let alone a detail level of say a Rapido, Genisis, or Scale Trains rivet counter model. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 6:22:11 GMT -8
Yes, that is true. But, it's ridiculous to have them charge $25+ for a car that was tooled in the late 1980s with metal wheels added...Plus, when coupled to the ExactRail and Tangent quad hoppers, and even the Bowser 100 ton three bays, the old Stewart Hobbies 70 ton cars look TERRIBLE.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 6:27:05 GMT -8
I completely agree that an updated H39 is needed. Those Bowser H39 kits aren't very easy to find and the RTR prices keep creeping up (maybe a little too high for the quality of the tooling, but that’s just my opinion). You would think Exactrail or Tangent would jump in on a 70's era coal car for Conrail, but maybe they don't want to do the H39 since it is already available from Bowser. Thanks, Mark The MSRP for the RTR versions of these cars is roughly $25. This is a car that I used to buy (essentially unchanged, as well) for $5 at swap meets back in the 1990's and early 2000's. The tooling is the same. There have been NO updates to them. Again, if Bowser would spend some cash on these cars and simply remove the cast on grabs, it would be worth it to buy them and do the upgrades to them yourself, IMO. |
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Post by scaledriver on Mar 20, 2018 7:09:01 GMT -8
Other than for Conrail, does the H39 hopper fit for other railroads?
That answer my limit the chances of someone tooling a new version.
Conrail modelers should be saving their shekels for upcoming Scaletrains and Rapido engines 😇💰
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Post by roadkill on Mar 20, 2018 9:01:17 GMT -8
Other than for Conrail, does the H39 hopper fit for other railroads? That answer my limit the chances of someone tooling a new version. Conrail modelers should be saving their shekels for upcoming Scaletrains and Rapido engines 😇💰 Lessee... Western Maryland had several classes that were clones in both oxide red Speed lettering and grey Speed lettering (stone service), for one example just off the top of my head. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 9:02:07 GMT -8
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Post by Tom on Mar 20, 2018 9:05:13 GMT -8
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Post by tankcarsrule on Mar 20, 2018 11:15:45 GMT -8
To which I would add, one of the original New York Central classes of Flexi-Flo hopper, which lasted into Conrail. (I am aware of -- and have several of -- the excellent Spring Mills PD3000 Flexi-Flos, but those were delivered to PC and have some significant differences. I also have several of the AHM Flexi-Flo, but it's a major undertaking to get them upgraded, for which I haven't been able to find time.) Did someone say AHM Flexi-Flo. It's an easy upgrade, just take a couple of hundred hours.  |
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Post by tankcarsrule on Mar 20, 2018 11:23:03 GMT -8
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Post by scaledriver on Mar 20, 2018 11:39:35 GMT -8
If the car works for EL, NYC, Pennsy, WM, and Conrail (Penn Central?), then a good chance exists for someone to make it.
My serious suggestion is the respective historical societies get together and jointly approach various companies. The New Haven group has been successful at doing this.
Funding would help. Detailed drawings. Photographs. Up front purchasing. Etc.
One issue would be containing the complaints and complainers who always arise. The cries of the car not being exactly right for (fill in railroad and year) would possibly scare away any manufacturer.
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