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Post by NYSW3614 on May 5, 2016 5:50:27 GMT -8
I thought about putting this under the Conrail posting but I believe this is better by itself. Has the time come for a top of the line plastic Northeastern style caboose? Manufacturers have stepped up their game on motive power and freight cars, so how about we have a comparable example to carry the markers on our trains. Bowser is improving the PRR cabooses so how about a generic enough caboose that can be altered for specific prototypes- the Northeastern would be a great project. The Proto 2000 model was nice but it was a compromise in details and has not been done by Walthers in a few years. I am thinking of a design that allows for different underframe, steps, sides, ends, you name it. So many prototypes- take Lehigh Valley for example; I have lost count how many variations there were. Tangent? Spring Mills? Genesis? www.railroad.net/articles/railfanning/northeastcabooses/Joshua |
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Post by PennCentral on May 5, 2016 7:12:35 GMT -8
I generally don't weigh in on wish lists and such but I agree with you on this one. Not sure what company I'd like to see produce it but I do agree it would be nice to have an accurate Northeastern style caboose with multiple variations. My biggest request is that if a company takes on this project, MAKE UNDECS AVAILABLE. The paint and lettering and car specific accurate paint jobs are outstanding today but there is still a market for folks that like to paint their own. Freelancers and shortline modelers would hit a caboose jackpot with undec Northeastern cabooses. They scattered to the four winds. ex-Lehigh Valley on the City of Prineville Railroad in Oregon: COP #201Former Reading on the North Louisiana & Gulf: NLG CabooseMaine Central: Maine Central 661These cabooses eventually were found coast to coast to coast. Jason C |
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Post by Paul Cutler III on May 5, 2016 8:47:39 GMT -8
Undec.'s? Yeah, right. They don't sell well enough. If they did, they'd be more widely available. There's a reason why a lot of undec.'s find their way to the bargain bin. Sure, there's a market for them...it's just a very small market.
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Post by PennCentral on May 5, 2016 8:52:56 GMT -8
Could you point me to an Undec Athearn Genesis GP38-2 in a bargain bin? I'd like to get one.
Thanks,
Jason
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 12:14:25 GMT -8
I agree. I would like to pick up a few that are on the same level as the Genesis SP bay window cabeese.
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Post by Amboy Secondary on May 5, 2016 15:34:02 GMT -8
A Genesis level Northeast Cabin, in each of the Reading schemes, plus Conrail would be great. We have already advanced a long way from when the Athearn ATSF cabin, came lettered for all sorts of roads. One night, shortly before the end of the cabin car era on Conrail, I actually saw one (going West on TV79) at North Bergen. My reaction, "Wow! an Athearn cabin Car".
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Post by jbilbrey on May 5, 2016 15:34:25 GMT -8
A quality "Northeastern" caboose would be nice. Both Athearn and ECW failed in their own ways. Athearn borrows heavily off an early MDC caboose, so the proportions are off. The ECW caboose also have proportionally issues [cupola is too tall for starters].
The Walthers Proto [P2K] caboose is nice, but it has limitations. The underframe is based off a preserved [IIRC] WM caboose, so it has the waste retention tank and other "modern" features. It only comes with one step option; different roads had different steps, whether it be the "knee-knocker" vertical steps or the more traditional stair step-well. And, there has been discussions in the past about the windows on the ends of the body being sized improperly. There is only one option for the roofwalk. Finally, L-L and Wathers have been somewhat selective on the roadnames released.
The problem that I see is finding a company with the finances to go ahead with such a project. For example, two roads that I model, L&N and TC, already have seen the cars done by Athearn and Atlas [using the incorrect C&O steel caboose]. Other roads that I have an interest in [for example PC & Conrail) has seen the caboose done by P2K. So, the company has to "knock it out of the park" for modelers to give up their incorrect cabooses for the new ones [which has been done before; look how cheap you can get a P2K GP7 or GP9 now since people are dumping them for the newer Genesis locomotives].
James Bilbrey
LaVergne, TN
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Post by PennCentral on May 5, 2016 17:05:37 GMT -8
I have one of the P2K Penn Central Northeastern cabooses. It's fair. I bought it with the understanding that it's a decent representation/stand in but it's not a full on accurate model of a Penn Central caboose. It wasn't all that expensive in the big picture so I have no complaints. But IF a company were to make a Genesis/Tangent/Moloco/ExactRail quality, fully tricked out, multiple versions model of a Northeastern caboose, I'd be in line. Penn Central, Delaware & Hudson, Lehigh Valley and maybe a Reading too. And an UNDEC. Or two. Even though they won't sell.
Jason
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Post by drolsen on May 5, 2016 18:23:14 GMT -8
I know there is a high-quality caboose on the way, and while I believe it's a Northeastern prototype, I have no idea which one. I'm 100% confident it will be a great model - I just don't know if it's one that I'll "need!" I do need to model this former RDG / CR caboose, so I'd love that one produced: drolsen.rrpicturearchives.net/rsPicture.aspx?id=234706I believe that's the same as the old P2K NE caboose, but I'd love an updated version. Dave |
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Post by jbilbrey on May 5, 2016 19:56:02 GMT -8
I know there is a high-quality caboose on the way, and while I believe it's a Northeastern prototype, I have no idea which one. I'm 100% confident it will be a great model - I just don't know if it's one that I'll "need!" I do need to model this former RDG / CR caboose, so I'd love that one produced: drolsen.rrpicturearchives.net/rsPicture.aspx?id=234706I believe that's the same as the old P2K NE caboose, but I'd love an updated version. Dave Indeed, it is a NE caboose. From the window modifications, I'm guessing ex-RDG. If so, there is an 80's issue of MR that covers modeling one. The gentleman that took over JJL Models following the first owner's death is working on an injection-molded Erie/EL/CR Dunmore caboose kit - another "northeastern" caboose but not THE northeastern caboose. The original JJL Models Dunmore kit was a resin kit, so this is an improvement for those who prefer to work with plastic over resin. There is no timeline when the project will be completed, but one can keep up on the progress via FB. James Bilbrey LaVergne, TN |
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Post by Spikre on May 6, 2016 9:16:24 GMT -8
 if someone cant turn either version of the Proto NE caboose into a particular prototype they should take up Basket weaveing ! we don't need 3 more versions of the Reading USRA Steel cabeese !! there is already TOO Much Duplication !! what is needed is a Genesis Quality Erie/EL/D&H/CR C301-C350 car. HO is the only main scale that doesn't have one,O has several copies and Scale versions of the 1956 Lionel model. and maybe I'm snubbing N,G,and Z here,but they really arnt main scales. HO,O,and S are the main Scales,and S really just squeaks in,but some nice models have been coming out in S the past 5 years or so. Spikre  edit- the Athearn model is based on the 1952 MDC Multi Piece Metal Kit.
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Post by Spikre on May 6, 2016 9:37:46 GMT -8
 James, the Erie C100-C269 cabeese had real on going Improvements as Dunmore built them. had several talks with Joe of JJL over this,and He was going to do the Welded Mid numbered versions eventually,then maybe the last batch someday. but somewhere in the second batch they started the Welded sides. and each batch had slightly different wheelbases. this put the Original cars mainly in Local service as they rode rather bad at higher speeds that the diesels ran at. they were a good looking car,but mainly stayed on Erie/EL and WAG. later CR did get the survivors.did D&H get any ? an Injected Molded Model would be welcomed here,for sure !! Spikre 
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Post by markfj on May 6, 2016 10:31:57 GMT -8
A northeastern caboose produced from quality tooling would be welcomed, but the only manufacturer who I see as up to the task would be Rapido. Given that the prototypes were dominantly used in northeastern U.S. and not Canada, I don’t see Rapido taking on this project.
Thanks, MJ
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Post by drolsen on May 6, 2016 10:52:21 GMT -8
Indeed, it is a NE caboose. From the window modifications, I'm guessing ex-RDG. If so, there is an 80's issue of MR that covers modeling one. The notes for that caboose (not mine, someone else filled them in) say that it's ex-CR 18832 nee-RDG 94003. Thanks for the tip on the MR article. I'll look around for it. A northeastern caboose produced from quality tooling would be welcomed, but the only manufacturer who I see as up to the task would be Rapido. Clearly you have never seen a Spring Mills Depot caboose! www.springmillsdepot.com/i-12main.htmAnd Athearn's Genesis SP cabooses are awesome too, but I doubt they'd be interested in a NE caboose. Dave |
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Post by Brakie on May 6, 2016 12:20:40 GMT -8
Not to sure if a tricked out NE caboose would sell to the multitude-you know the other 98% that likes what they already have?
If I was a manufacturer I would think long and hard before sinking thousands into tooling for a caboose that may not sell.
As far as those Genesis SP cabooses I seen them on sale at MBK at $39.95 then $34.95.There's a new one on e-Bay for 39.99 BIN..
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Post by eh49 on May 6, 2016 14:56:31 GMT -8
A northeastern caboose produced from quality tooling would be welcomed, but the only manufacturer who I see as up to the task would be Rapido. Given that the prototypes were dominantly used in northeastern U.S. and not Canada, I don’t see Rapido taking on this project. Thanks, MJ How about Bowser. They were right in their backyard. |
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Post by stacktrainpete on May 6, 2016 16:50:59 GMT -8
Can of worms, anyone? I thought the NE in 'northeastern' caboose was actually the AAR code for cabooses, as X is for boxcars and LO is for covered hoppers. I'd look it up but I don't have a publication containing Those AAR codes
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Post by bnsf971 on May 6, 2016 17:04:56 GMT -8
Can of worms, anyone? I thought the NE in 'northeastern' caboose was actually the AAR code for cabooses, as X is for boxcars and LO is for covered hoppers. I'd look it up but I don't have a publication containing Those AAR codes From AAR: NE: Caboose mounted on eight wheels and longer than four-wheel caboose, but of the same general design. |
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