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Post by SD90 on Dec 9, 2016 18:30:55 GMT -8
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Post by lajrmdlr on Dec 9, 2016 18:50:11 GMT -8
It would be more likely they'd be used on long distance trains rather than industrial switching. If that long distance train has some setouts/pickups to do along the way any foreign power in the consist would obviously be so used.
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Post by dharris on Dec 9, 2016 18:53:48 GMT -8
Generally, no.
There would be some run though power. And maybe at one point a train with some might stop to make a cut out.
But you say as switchers.
BN would be much more likely than Chessie to run through in the late 90s than Chessie.
By the late 90's Chessie units were disappearing quickly. I do not know when the SD40-2s were all repainted.
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Post by Brakie on Dec 9, 2016 19:06:15 GMT -8
There is a way to have a BN SD40-2 as a switcher and it would be plausible. UP leased some BN SD40-2 for general service due to a upswing in traffic..
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Post by loophog on Dec 9, 2016 19:49:57 GMT -8
Wouldn't be uncommon to see a BN SD40-2 running on a UP train in the late 90's but the Scale Trains UP and BN SD40-2's aren't really detailed to late 90's era they're pure 80's power.
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Post by lvrr325 on Dec 14, 2016 8:03:05 GMT -8
it's possible but unlikely. I have a couple of lousy night exposures of Conrail using a UP SD40-2 as a switcher at Dewitt, back when the van terminal was a spur of the main and not up in the yard, so well over 20 years ago. It was winter and cold and apparently nothing else was running, so they used that.
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Post by SD90 on Dec 17, 2016 9:33:21 GMT -8
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Post by craigz on Dec 17, 2016 11:24:13 GMT -8
I've seen UP motors stuck into local service on Norfolk Southern in far eastern NC...they'll get sent down here on a thru train and stay for a while  |
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Post by bnsf971 on Dec 17, 2016 14:24:04 GMT -8
Back in the 1980s, there was a railroad that will remain nameless, that had the reputation of grabbing any foreign locomotive that came onto their property, and using it until it was nearly out of fuel, then sending it back home. It made for some interesting foreign power lashups.
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Post by carrman on Dec 18, 2016 9:44:07 GMT -8
After the assimilation of the SP, the UP used an NS C40-9 as hump power in Eugene yard, Saw it myself shoving cars over the hump one day.
Dave
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Post by fr8kar on Dec 18, 2016 11:46:18 GMT -8
Back in the 1980s, there was a railroad that will remain nameless, that had the reputation of grabbing any foreign locomotive that came onto their property, and using it until it was nearly out of fuel, then sending it back home. It made for some interesting foreign power lashups. That's the best way to do it. You're paying a flat rate for the power to be on the property anyway. At least that way you're not buying gas, too. |
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Post by orangec on Dec 18, 2016 16:49:35 GMT -8
Back in early 2007, CSX had an NS C40-8 as a yard engine in Beacon Park Yard in Boston for a weekend. I also recall CSX road power that went up on Pan Am came back with out fuel, fusees, or crew packs when they came back. Sometimes even light bulbs were missing. In addition, a CSOR, Pan Am, Mass Central, Pioneer Valley and leasers were used as yard engines in West Springfield when convenient. On one occasion, an ex P & W GP7 was trailing on road freight on the Boston Line. Even had MBTA and Amtrak engines trailing on the mainline, providing power. The point is, anything is possible.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 21:34:43 GMT -8
Back in early 2007, CSX had an NS C40-8 as a yard engine in Beacon Park Yard in Boston for a weekend. I also recall CSX road power that went up on Pan Am came back with out fuel, fusees, or crew packs when they came back. Sometimes even light bulbs were missing. In addition, a CSOR, Pan Am, Mass Central, Pioneer Valley and leasers were used as yard engines in West Springfield when convenient. On one occasion, an ex P & W GP7 was trailing on road freight on the Boston Line. Even had MBTA and Amtrak engines trailing on the mainline, providing power. The point is, anything is possible. When I worked at Pan Am crews loved the CSX units. They usually ran (which is nice), and had useful "stuff" like light bulbs and fusees. And maybe some rags laying around. Can't have enough rags to wipe off all the blown oil from the PAR power. Thanks! They were dedicated power for the SEPO/POSE. I never saw them used for anything else, but they could have as long as they were ready to return on the next POSE. |
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Post by orangec on Dec 19, 2016 2:01:02 GMT -8
I recall a pair of shiney new CSX GEVOs going up to Northern Maine Junction and Jacksonville had a fit. Then we had mileage equaliser GP40s on Q426/Q427. I remember those GPs were covered in oil and shut down regularly. Weren't the board of directors on probation in the state of Massachusetts for oil leaking into the ground water?
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Post by lvrr325 on Dec 19, 2016 17:02:35 GMT -8
Got in an argument on another forum because when NYS&W was getting their SD60s they were apparently supposed to be delivered dead in tow for startup, but here we are next to the CSX main and one goes screaming by behind a CSX GE, both obviously under load.
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Post by roadkill on Dec 22, 2016 11:07:29 GMT -8
Got in an argument on another forum because when NYS&W was getting their SD60s they were apparently supposed to be delivered dead in tow for startup, but here we are next to the CSX main and one goes screaming by behind a CSX GE, both obviously under load. Wouldn't surprise me one bit with CSX  ! |
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Post by fr8kar on Dec 22, 2016 13:42:13 GMT -8
Got in an argument on another forum because when NYS&W was getting their SD60s they were apparently supposed to be delivered dead in tow for startup, but here we are next to the CSX main and one goes screaming by behind a CSX GE, both obviously under load. Wouldn't surprise me one bit with CSX ! What happens on a foreign railroad stays on a foreign railroad! |
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Post by slowfreight on Dec 9, 2017 6:46:44 GMT -8
Would Union Pacific ever use other railroad's power for switchers back in the late 90's? I'm asking because I really want to get a couple more Scale Trains SD40-2's in BN and maybe Chessie to use on my Cima Sub Layout. Just wondering if you would ever see a couple of BN units switching out industries around Vegas in that time period. Double thumbs up for thinking about how to incorporate something cool before you just buy more "distraction" models!  I've purged many a cool distraction, myself. As others have pointed out, while it would be rare sometimes the local freight gets whatever is on the diesel ramp fueled and idling. Did you consider patched lease units? Even a fictional leasing company could help there. Unfortunately, I don't know when those fleets were purged. On the other hand, by the early 2000s you could find SD40-2s on the used market very reliably. |
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Post by fr8kar on Dec 9, 2017 6:52:26 GMT -8
There are a few batches of BN SD40-2s that were returned to the lessor in the 90s and 00s. It's possible you could remark a BN unit for a leasing company.
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Dec 9, 2017 9:15:44 GMT -8
I'd research with photos of the area you want to model or visit in person, should it be the up to the minute modeling.
I model the 1960's in Minnesota around and just west of the Minneapolis and St. Paul. My roads of focus are the Great Northern, Northern Pacific, Chicago Burlington & Quincy and Soo Line. I just saw a photo on Trainorders of a GN GP20 coupled to an Erie Lackawana F7A out east. UP and CB&Q power ran through on both roads. GN and CB&Q power could be seen in Chicago. Some Q on the GN heading west is not common. NP power on the Q in Chicago is rare. Q power on the NP is rare. NYC on the UP with Q power is common.
It depends on the time frame you want to model. Things can change fast. What was common last year is non-existent this year.
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Post by TBird1958 on Dec 9, 2017 10:21:55 GMT -8
D&RGW in the mid - '70s all EMD with only a few SSW GP40's on short term lease and a few UP mineral service SD45's for the Kaiser Pool, otherwise it's all the home team. Love it!
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Post by GP40P-2 on Dec 9, 2017 10:27:31 GMT -8
Run through, power balancing, leased locomotive, pooled power, borrowed for testing, bought used and not yet repainted, are among the reasons that a non-home road might be seen. There are plenty of reasons that it <could> happen.
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Post by SD90 on Dec 9, 2017 16:36:00 GMT -8
Why the personal attacks omahroad?
Does it make you feel better about your life to put down others?
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Post by fr8kar on Dec 9, 2017 20:57:47 GMT -8
Feel free to define what you do as modeling, but leave it to others to decide if what they're doing is modeling. It's stupid that this line in the sand must be drawn again and again by people who need to tell everyone what building and/or operating a model is and isn't.
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Post by riogrande on Dec 10, 2017 7:01:24 GMT -8
So free lance and proto lancing is frowned upon by some? Pay the frowning faces no mind.
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Dec 10, 2017 7:15:43 GMT -8
Imagine that you had no imagination. How dreary life would be. Oh the ghosts of Malcolm Furlow and John Allen, et al.
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Post by cannon on Dec 10, 2017 8:51:28 GMT -8
Find yourself a copy of "Pool Power West" by Bob Hangee, published in 2000 by Four Ways Wesr. 160 pages of color photos. Five chapters Santa Fe, BN, UP, SP, and passenger. Lots of good stuff. Bob is OYW on Train Orders.
Dave Hussey
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Post by carrman on Dec 10, 2017 9:14:05 GMT -8
Imagine that you had no imagination. How dreary life would be. Oh the ghosts of Malcolm Furlow and John Allen, et al. Imagine that some folks have a gut full of the fantasy crap. I do. Has a lot to do with why I'm not sad Sunday photo fun isn't chuck full of the make believe narrow gauge anymore. |
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Post by ncrc5315 on Dec 10, 2017 9:47:22 GMT -8
So free lance and proto lancing is frowned upon by some? Pay the frowning faces no mind. My original post, which you didn't include: " Right. Because what we're doing (model railroading) is trying to model, as much a practible, what was/is happening in the Real World. Practible is variable, but stray too far into the freelance/fantasy world, and you're no longer modeling." (emphasis mine). There's no defined hard line that's the same for everyone, because almost all modeling includes compromises like layout & structure compression, leaving out details, electric motors inside the hood instead of tiny diesel engines, etc. Recently on eBay someone had taken an HO articulated steam loco and mounted an entire fire truck (sans cab) on the tender. Hi-rise extention ladder, hose and reels, everything. Freelanced, obviously. The builder probably had fun making it. But it's so far away from anything that existed or could have existed that it's no longer a model of anything. So yeah, I'm frowning on it because it crossed the line as I've defined it. I'm not saying anyone else has to have the same standards. And I never wrote anything about "protolancing"- usually understood as modeling a plausable prototype. I like Mike Schafer's (RMC frequently) Illinois & St. Louis and Tony Thompson's "what if" central California coast SP branch. Would you like to see more things like articulated firemotives posted here or published in model mags? If not, why? |
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Post by ncrc5315 on Dec 10, 2017 9:52:12 GMT -8
If doesn't bother me at all, I always figure I can learn something from anything, after all, I come from the land of the Jackalope.
It could be said that Bob Ross' paintings are not realistic models, but how many people have used his techniques, for painting backdrops?
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