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Post by Donnell Wells on Jan 14, 2019 16:24:00 GMT -8
One catch; they're not Amtrak owned locomotives. They're owned by the respective states in which they serve. These don't have the range or, currently the ability (re: dynamic braking) to serve in a nationwide capacity. ..and they look horrible. Anyone else wondering how well that intake will fare in the winter months? EDIT: I personally prefer (having to pick between the two) the F125. -Tom Hi Tom, Quite a few are now in regular service around the Metrolink system, and they are performing rather well now that many of the bugs have been worked out. I think they look better than the current iteration of the Charger locomotive, however, Via Rail Canada is getting new equipment similar to Florida's Virgin Trains USA (formerly Brightline), and the front-end styling planned for the SC-44 that will power those train sets looks very sleek! On a side note, Amtrak has picked up the option to buy 75 more Chargers to be placed into long-distance service. Bye-bye P40/P42s! Amtrak long-distance Chargers Donnell PS - It would be interesting to see modern Amtrak colors on the F125 though. |
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Post by bncascadegreen on Jan 14, 2019 16:37:04 GMT -8
My Amtrak modeling will end with the P40 and P42s
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Post by lvrr325 on Jan 14, 2019 17:30:17 GMT -8
Too new for me, probably not widely enough used to sell well.
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Post by migalyto on Jan 14, 2019 18:03:11 GMT -8
Too new for me, probably not widely enough used to sell well. I will bet they sell pretty well! |
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Post by bdhicks on Jan 14, 2019 18:06:50 GMT -8
Maybe whoever does Chargers will do the Amtrak California cars to go with them.
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Post by railmodeltroy14 on Jan 14, 2019 18:43:38 GMT -8
I like the styling and think they would really sell with younger customers and/or older ones like myself who model the modern era.
With all of the proposed buyers and multitude of paint schemes available, a Genesis or Scale Trains version could be very successful, especially with matching passenger cars.
I have a set of the Atlas Bombardier ALP-45DP locomotives and matching coaches and they are beautifully painted but the tooling on the finer details of the locomotive lack the level of Scale Trains or Genesis models.
Even the Kato P-42 has better tooling then the Atlas model but you are very limited in your choices for modern-era HO passenger equipment.
I just hope whichever company decides to produce this passenger train goes all-out and they are sold out in no time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 18:45:48 GMT -8
Already sort of discussed on here in a different thread
I suspect the coaches will get done at some point with Brightline, Amtrak (the States purchase) and VIA all using them.
If Amtrak also chooses them to replace the Amfleets that would help.
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Post by simulatortrain on Jan 14, 2019 18:51:42 GMT -8
I have to say, despite their appearance and total irrelevance to anything I'll ever do, I'd still rather see these than another freaking GEVO/ACe.
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Jan 14, 2019 19:18:31 GMT -8
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Post by BEDT26 on Jan 14, 2019 22:51:58 GMT -8
Yuck. Yet another reason why I will never model modern... Amen to that, I don't like modern day railroading either locomotives keep getting uglier and the boring freight cars with no large logos and lettering ugh !!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 7:16:35 GMT -8
That's nice. I wouldn't mind one of those. |
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Post by hovehicle on Jan 15, 2019 9:24:53 GMT -8
I like the new phase V scheme from Amtrak on the Charger with the clean blue lines instead of the wavy crap on the P42. I'll take it if someone makes a quality version in HO.
Vito L.
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Post by amtrakfl9 on Jan 15, 2019 10:55:24 GMT -8
Am I the only one that really likes the P42s and will be sad to see them go? I think they look pretty good, but I mainly like them because they sound so cool. GE chugging beats EMD whine any day for me, and they were delivered with some of the best K5LAs ever made. The phase 4 corridor scheme was very striking IMO:  Here is an example of why I like the sound of these units: And here is an example of how awesome they once sounded with their as delivered horns: |
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Post by jonklein611 on Jan 15, 2019 10:57:41 GMT -8
Am I the only one that really likes the P42s and will be sad to see them go? I think they look pretty good, but I mainly like them because they sound so cool. GE chugging beats EMD whine any day for me, and they were delivered with some of the best K5LAs ever made. The phase 4 corridor scheme was very striking IMO: And here is an example of how awesome they once sounded (and many still do): I'm a huge Amtrak nut and prefer the P42 to the F40. Especially in the phase 5 scheme. It looks great and works well with the Amfleets and Superliners. |
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Post by simulatortrain on Jan 15, 2019 14:03:43 GMT -8
Am I the only one that really likes the P42s and will be sad to see them go? I think they look pretty good, but I mainly like them because they sound so cool. GE chugging beats EMD whine any day for me, and they were delivered with some of the best K5LAs ever made. The phase 4 corridor scheme was very striking IMO: Here is an example of why I like the sound of these units: And here is an example of how awesome they once sounded with their as delivered horns: I hated them for a while, but they've grown on me a lot, even though I'm too young to have seen F40s anyway. Right with you on the sound though! All things considered, the only Amtrak models I'll likely ever be able to do much with is a P30CH and a couple Amfleets for one of the Virginia trains. |
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Post by migalyto on Jan 15, 2019 16:40:45 GMT -8
Am I the only one that really likes the P42s and will be sad to see them go? I think they look pretty good, but I mainly like them because they sound so cool. GE chugging beats EMD whine any day for me, and they were delivered with some of the best K5LAs ever made. The phase 4 corridor scheme was very striking IMO: Here is an example of why I like the sound of these units: And here is an example of how awesome they once sounded with their as delivered horns: I really liked them as well! |
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Post by railmodeltroy14 on Jan 16, 2019 4:16:12 GMT -8
I own a set of Athearn F 59's, some Athearn and Kato P42's, Spectrum Acela and Atlas Gold ALP-45 and all have their strong points but none come close to the Overland P-42 that I regretfully sold a few years ago.
My hope is that the Siemens Charger and other versions of modern passenger sets are at or above the fit and finish of the Scale Trains ET 44 AH locomotives.
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Post by es80ac on Jan 16, 2019 4:38:57 GMT -8
Am I the only one that really likes the P42s and will be sad to see them go? I think they look pretty good, but I mainly like them because they sound so cool. GE chugging beats EMD whine any day for me, and they were delivered with some of the best K5LAs ever made. The phase 4 corridor scheme was very striking IMO: Here is an example of why I like the sound of these units: And here is an example of how awesome they once sounded with their as delivered horns: Add me to the list of people who will miss the P40/P42 Genesis engines. Love their FDL sound. They are rugged and realiable engines |
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Post by riogrande on Jan 16, 2019 4:43:47 GMT -8
The P40/42 Genesis engines never really grew on me. The front kind of reminds me of something you'd see the Imperial Storm Troopers riding in the cab of from Star Wars. Of the Amtrak engines, I like the F40PH's and the SDP40F's the best. But I do see how I've fallen into the anachronism pit that I used to see so many older rail fans in - where they prefer the older stuff and the new stuff is "all crap" now.
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Post by jonklein611 on Jan 16, 2019 5:30:39 GMT -8
The P40/42 Genesis engines never really grew on me. The front kind of reminds me of something you'd see the Imperial Storm Troopers riding in the cab of from Star Wars. Of the Amtrak engines, I like the F40PH's and the SDP40F's the best. But I do see how I've fallen into the anachronism pit that I used to see so many older rail fans in - where they prefer the older stuff and the new stuff is "all crap" now. It's typically a case of what you grew up with. I don't like the look of the PA's or most of the F / E units. |
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Post by railmodeltroy14 on Jan 16, 2019 5:49:41 GMT -8
I am as old school and conservative as it gets but modern railroad equipment design doesn't bother me one bit.
The styling of some vintage diesel, electric and steam passenger locomotives is timeless but design and engineering changes over time.
I know model railroaders who would never even think of running anything but steam and others who only collect what is currently riding on America's rails.
I happen to like both so I don't hesitate to operate an N & W J-Class excursion next to an Acela.
I just like trains.
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Post by brakie on Jan 16, 2019 5:55:59 GMT -8
I think this locomotive could grow on me very fast, especially if I saw it in person. I would definitely like to see it in HO one day. Vito L. Vito,At night some of the side areas is lighted up and is very impressive if you like the Charger. While I wouldn't buy one I would like to see one in HO especially with those side areas lighted up. |
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Post by riogrande on Jan 16, 2019 6:04:28 GMT -8
The P40/42 Genesis engines never really grew on me. The front kind of reminds me of something you'd see the Imperial Storm Troopers riding in the cab of from Star Wars. Of the Amtrak engines, I like the F40PH's and the SDP40F's the best. But I do see how I've fallen into the anachronism pit that I used to see so many older rail fans in - where they prefer the older stuff and the new stuff is "all crap" now. It's typically a case of what you grew up with. I don't like the look of the PA's or most of the F / E units. I grew up with mainly second generation diesels seeing them in the 70's and 80's. I'm not a huge fan of E units either and though I didn't grow up watching F units, I do like them. As always, there are exceptions to the rule that you like what you grew up with, but I'm not one of them. In my younger days, I liked all trains (steam to "modern"). Even during the 1990's I was a rail fan of "modern" but since then I have kind started back sliding. No cabooses and graffiti and current loco styling is not as visually appealing although now that I live near a busy mainline, the drama of even visually unappealing trains of today still has some draw. Rail fan for life I guess but for model trains, I've grown more nostalgic. |
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Post by amtrakfl9 on Jan 16, 2019 10:07:27 GMT -8
I have no doubt growing up in their era influenced me, but I do think the reason I like late 90s/early 00s GE stuff is because they look and sound cool. Aside from the FDL chug many of us know and love, AC4400s and AC6000s have an awesome traction motor howl when they are at speed with a hot trailer train. The mechanical bell they used right before the E bell is very kind of stately and unique, and you can’t forget about that “whoop” compressor sound. The units just convey raw power.
I don’t dislike the Charger, but unfortunately I just don’t find anything interesting about them (with the exception of the throwback strobe lights). They are almost silent, they look like a bus, and the LED lights, raised letter K5LA and bland E bell just don’t do it for me.
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Post by roadkill on Jan 16, 2019 11:15:06 GMT -8
The P40/42 Genesis engines never really grew on me. The front kind of reminds me of something you'd see the Imperial Storm Troopers riding in the cab of from Star Wars. Of the Amtrak engines, I like the F40PH's and the SDP40F's the best. But I do see how I've fallen into the anachronism pit that I used to see so many older rail fans in - where they prefer the older stuff and the new stuff is "all crap" now. I fell into that years ago  ! |
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Post by orangec on Jan 16, 2019 17:06:55 GMT -8
Amtrak stuff is all crap
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Post by Donnell Wells on Jan 16, 2019 19:49:20 GMT -8
Care to expound on that?
Donnell
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Post by orangec on Jan 16, 2019 21:22:14 GMT -8
The model must reflect the prototype. An accurate P40/42 must have a dcc fuction to smoke profusely out the stack in addition to running over its own cab signal bars. An accurate MP15 or SW1500 must blow oil everywhere and smoke when above the fifth notch. An accurate Charger must be overly complicated with smoking computer screens.
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Post by hovehicle on Jan 16, 2019 21:37:47 GMT -8
Larry, my 15 year old likes the Charger so much he just might run an Amtrak train to go with it; in our case it would have to be the Midwest version. Can't wait to see it at night!
Vito L.
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Post by talltim on Jan 17, 2019 3:36:59 GMT -8
I prefer their German/other european older brothers (possibly partly because of the paint scheme) but I think they look OK.
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