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Post by SD90 on Dec 6, 2017 22:54:54 GMT -8
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Post by fr8kar on Dec 7, 2017 4:55:20 GMT -8
Depends on your prototype. It's likely you need both.
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Post by platec on Dec 7, 2017 5:09:06 GMT -8
Depends on your era too.
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Post by drolsen on Dec 7, 2017 5:36:23 GMT -8
I would personally base the decision on what era I wanted to model. The Trinity 5161 was a pretty dominate prototype from the mid-‘90s to mid-2000s. From the late 2000s to the present, the Gunderson 5188 has really taken off. If I was modeling the contemporary period, I would have a mix of the two, probably with more Gunderson cars.
If you just want a train of some great-looking hoppers and aren’t trying to be era-specific, I would go with the Gunderson car. ScaleTrains has produced a beautiful model that will look fantastic in a train of a couple dozen of them.
Dave
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Post by bar on Dec 7, 2017 7:27:08 GMT -8
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Post by csxt8400 on Dec 7, 2017 9:08:34 GMT -8
All prototype decisions aside, that 5188 is a lot nicer looking car than the 5161 in my eyes. If it's between those two cars, and it fit my era, I'd go the 5188's all day.
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Post by SD90 on Dec 7, 2017 16:42:48 GMT -8
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Post by SD90 on Dec 7, 2017 21:59:03 GMT -8
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Post by luebeck3102 on Dec 8, 2017 6:55:21 GMT -8
If you're modeling modern, I'd get both. Most manifest trains I see have both 5161s and 5188s. If you look at a typical unit grain train, you'll see both especially on BNSF. I have a good chunk of 5161 cars from Athearn and I need to get some 5188s from ST once those come out. Also, some RRs owned one or the other and not both. It all depends on what RR, or era you're doing. KCS I know doesn't own any 5161s. Also, there are some Athearn RTR 5161s that can be found at almost any LHS and online if you want to go that route. Also, if you get the ST version, double check the coupler height gauge. Most of my items I own ST wise, coupler height is too low. Every crude oil car I own from ST coupler height is too low out of the box.
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Post by talltim on Dec 8, 2017 7:24:50 GMT -8
What did the prototype use? If there's no prototype (aka freelance train), why does it matter? The prototype is Union Pacific, so they used everything! Just wondering which car everyone prefers, wow, sorry I asked. I wonder why I keep coming back here, there are lots of ignorant people on this forum. Where are people being ignorant? One is a better model of a Gunderson 5188 and the other a better model of a Trinity 5161. People wanting a model of a Gunderson 5188 will prefer that, people wanting a model of a Trinity 5161 will prefer that, people wanting models of both will prefer both... As they are both pretty accurate models, any other preference must come down to which design looks most pleasing (or possibly if you have to work with the real thing, which works best.) and surely that is for you to decide? |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Dec 8, 2017 10:46:50 GMT -8
I wonder why I keep coming back here, there are lots of ignorant people on this forum. Failure to learn from past experience is not exactly a sign of great brilliance, either. Perhaps this time your "new" knowledge will stick, and resolve this problem for you. In addition, insulting people who are obviously attempting to help you will likely decrease even more the benefits to you of your presence. Bye, Ed |
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Post by hovehicle on Dec 8, 2017 12:12:16 GMT -8
sd90,
If you're modelling the BNSF, I would get possibly 12 of each as they both will be excellent cars. You will need to check the coupler height if that is an issue for you between Intermountain and ST cars.
Vito L.
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Post by railmodeltroy14 on Dec 8, 2017 12:37:17 GMT -8
Scale Trains or Intermountain, both hoppers are similar, I'm looking at getting a 24 car grain train, which does everyone suggest? What road names are you looking at? Either model will be excellent for your grain train. I am patiently waiting on Intermountain to release four CSX grain hopper models with 24 car numbers and Scale Trains to announce a Rivet Counter 5188 in CSX for a grain train on my layout. Good luck with your decision. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Dec 8, 2017 13:16:10 GMT -8
To get a sense of change over time for these two models, for BNSF, the ORER's indicate:
July 2000: 6342 of 5161, 0 of 5188
July 2005: 10726 of 5161, 0 of 5188
July 2010: 11055 of 5161, 5520 of 5188
July 2015: 11753 of 5161, 5701 of 5188
Ed
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Post by riogrande on Dec 8, 2017 13:19:01 GMT -8
I wonder why I keep coming back here, there are lots of ignorant people on this forum. You catch more flies with honey rather than vinegar. Seems there are lots of good responses here, just sayin. |
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Post by tomnoy3 on Dec 8, 2017 15:29:18 GMT -8
I posted in more detail on the subject in a previous thread, but this run of 5188's, only the CMO cars are accurate for UP grain trains. The UP marked cars have GP outlets and are used in barley malt/sugar service.
I ordered some to keep as-is and some to modify. I would wait if I were you for a 2nd run, or layer them in. UP has very few trains that run solid with one car type. They mix together almost right out of the factory.
That said, I doubt I will order any of the Intermountain cars, not that I have anything against them. Just that I already have 2 dozen of the Athearn model in various paints, both factory and custom.
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Post by SD90 on Dec 8, 2017 16:37:08 GMT -8
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Post by riogrande on Dec 8, 2017 18:28:06 GMT -8
I don't model modern but found it interest to read the feedback.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Dec 8, 2017 21:31:41 GMT -8
When I experienced my first Brown Worm, I was hooked. Oh, my!
Ed
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