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Post by cklx on Feb 14, 2018 8:30:25 GMT -8
Guys, Another new Walthers h0 scale box: a 60' hi cube. bit.ly/2szeSNuCornelius |
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Post by trainguy99 on Feb 14, 2018 8:50:32 GMT -8
The roof is interesting with its multiple panel types.
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Post by Brakie on Feb 14, 2018 14:13:47 GMT -8
I could use some 60' paper service boxcars for Smart Paper Company..Those idiot stripes might be a deal breaker since those wasn't around in 94/95.
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Post by riogrande on Feb 14, 2018 15:00:02 GMT -8
When was the prototypes made first?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 15:19:29 GMT -8
Guys, Another new Walthers h0 scale box: a 60' hi cube. bit.ly/2szeSNuCornelius How did you find these? When i search new products, all that comes up are the walthers mainline pb's and a slew of other previously announced mainline items. |
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Post by fcixdarrell on Feb 14, 2018 15:30:40 GMT -8
The undec model is of a Gunderson-Concarril 7550 cf double plug box car. This version (with eaves) was first built 4=9/03 for TBOX 660000-660499. Gunderson-Concarril built an earlier version without eaves and with 8 side posts on each side of the door, plus a few other differences from the model.
The version with eaves (Walthers version) were built for:
AOK 112000-112149 (150) 11/03=1/04
TBOX 660000-660499 (500) 4=9/03
TBOX 660500-660799 (300) 1=4/04
TBOX 660800-661199 (400) 1=5/05
Now, looking at the cars they've shown on their web site. Most are NOT Gunderson-Concarril cars...
CP 218000-218374 (375) NSC 7630 cf 5=8/01
Differences:
No eaves
Side posts wider at bottom
Third side post from end is not wide
No riveted jack pad
Different side sill
CSXT 173551-173575 (25) NSC 7234 cf
Differences:
No eaves
Side posts wider at bottom
Third side post from end is not wide
No riveted jack pad
Different side sill
DWC 793000-793499 (500) TR 7500 cf 7=12/05
Differences:
6 side posts each side of door (instead of 7)
Third side post from end is not wide
No riveted jack pad
Different side sill
BNSF 761400-761999 (600) TRG 7500 cf 7=10/03
Differences:
Single plug door instead of double plug doors
8 side posts instead of 7
Third side post from end is not wide
So, one paint scheme (AOK) is accurate for this car.
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Post by MONSTERRAILROAD on Feb 14, 2018 16:07:45 GMT -8
I really like the Hi-Cube 60' boxcars. These appear to be the same models that Athearn Produced right? I also liek the 60' Gunderson Boxcar from Athearn in the TTX scheme. I really like the high profile of this model and the Athearn Models too.
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Post by Brakie on Feb 14, 2018 17:39:51 GMT -8
The undec model is of a Gunderson-Concarril 7550 cf double plug box car. This version (with eaves) was first built 4=9/03 for TBOX 660000-660499. Gunderson-Concarril built an earlier version without eaves and with 8 side posts on each side of the door, plus a few other differences from the model. The version with eaves (Walthers version) were built for: AOK 112000-112149 (150) 11/03=1/04 TBOX 660000-660499 (500) 4=9/03 TBOX 660500-660799 (300) 1=4/04 TBOX 660800-661199 (400) 1=5/05 So, one paint scheme (AOK) is accurate for this car. Great information! A deal killer for me because all of those cars are built well after the era I model 94/95. Yes my railroad my rules,who cares etc but,the build dates is to far fetch for my modeling style. Too bad..I really need 60' paper service boxcars. |
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Post by drolsen on Feb 14, 2018 18:52:56 GMT -8
I really like the Hi-Cube 60' boxcars. These appear to be the same models that Athearn Produced right? I also liek the 60' Gunderson Boxcar from Athearn in the TTX scheme. I really like the high profile of this model and the Athearn Models too. These are newer (post-2000) prototypes as Darrell mentioned above. The good news is that it’s a correct model of one of the TBOX prototypes; the Athearn model is a stand-in, unfortunately, although it definitely looks good. The only HO model that matched a TBOX prototype up to this point was the short-lived Hubert’s 60’ box car, which was an NSC prototype, if I recall correctly (I have a couple of their undecorated models stashed away). I think it actually matched the CSXT series that Darrell mentioned above also. Always good to see a new box car model, but this prototype’s too new for me, unfortunately. Dave |
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Post by jbilbrey on Feb 14, 2018 19:13:10 GMT -8
I really like the Hi-Cube 60' boxcars. These appear to be the same models that Athearn Produced right? I also liek the 60' Gunderson Boxcar from Athearn in the TTX scheme. I really like the high profile of this model and the Athearn Models too. The prototypes (and the Athearn and Walthers 60' boxcars) are slightly different. A Mr. Doug Stark over on the Freight Car Enthusiast FB group had this to say about the differences: Specific differences I see vs. the Athearn 60 Gunderson box: - mixed X- and diagonal panel roof (Walthers) vs. three-rib Redi-Roof (Athearn) - rectangular end corrugations (W) vs. beveled (A) - 8 side 'panels' (W) vs 9 (A) Another difference that Mr. Stark didn't mention is that the Athearn car has a post at the corner with grabs on the sides. The Walthers car doesn't have this post; thus, it has 4-rung ladder instead on the sides. For me, it is one of those "be careful what you ask for as you might just get it" moments. Despite the cast on grabs, ladders, and other details, I'll probably order couple of the AOK boxcars as they are subtly different from the Athearn Gunderson boxcars that I already have. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Feb 14, 2018 21:16:38 GMT -8
...the cast on grabs, ladders, and other details... Just like when I started in the hobby 60 years ago. I feel so "at home". Perhaps a rubber band drive ES44AC could be next? Painted for B&O? It'll sell. I just know it. What more could anyone want? Ed Sorry--couldn't keep it in any longer. |
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Post by SD90 on Feb 14, 2018 23:20:43 GMT -8
These look nice!
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Post by trainguy99 on Feb 15, 2018 4:20:14 GMT -8
The undec model is of a Gunderson-Concarril 7550 cf double plug box car. This version (with eaves) was first built 4=9/03 for TBOX 660000-660499. Gunderson-Concarril built an earlier version without eaves and with 8 side posts on each side of the door, plus a few other differences from the model. The version with eaves (Walthers version) were built for: AOK 112000-112149 (150) 11/03=1/04 TBOX 660000-660499 (500) 4=9/03 TBOX 660500-660799 (300) 1=4/04 TBOX 660800-661199 (400) 1=5/05 Now, looking at the cars they've shown on their web site. Most are NOT Gunderson-Concarril cars... CP 218000-218374 (375) NSC 7630 cf 5=8/01 Differences: No eaves Side posts wider at bottom Third side post from end is not wide No riveted jack pad Different side sill CSXT 173551-173575 (25) NSC 7234 cf Differences: No eaves Side posts wider at bottom Third side post from end is not wide No riveted jack pad Different side sill DWC 793000-793499 (500) TR 7500 cf 7=12/05 Differences: 6 side posts each side of door (instead of 7) Third side post from end is not wide No riveted jack pad Different side sill BNSF 761400-761999 (600) TRG 7500 cf 7=10/03 Differences: Single plug door instead of double plug doors 8 side posts instead of 7 Third side post from end is not wide So, one paint scheme (AOK) is accurate for this car. I'm guessing you mean one is accurate plus the 2 TBOX schemes, or weren't those up yet? |
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Post by riogrande on Feb 15, 2018 5:15:50 GMT -8
Great info Darrell! Looks like these will be good for the modern folks. Way too modern for me however.
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Post by jbilbrey on Feb 15, 2018 7:02:44 GMT -8
...the cast on grabs, ladders, and other details... Just like when I started in the hobby 60 years ago. I feel so "at home". Perhaps a rubber band drive ES44AC could be next? Painted for B&O? It'll sell. I just know it. What more could anyone want? Ed Sorry--couldn't keep it in any longer. No offense taken. Like I said, be careful what you ask for as you might get it. I would much rather have a Genesis/Tangent/ExactRail/ScaleTrains quality mode than seeing it released under the Mainline line. As others are probably doing, I am already wondering if I can slip a Genesis underframe, or at least parts of one, under it. I am also going stay away from the "stand-in's"; I already have enough Athearn stand-in's that are better detailed. |
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Post by fcixdarrell on Feb 15, 2018 7:05:46 GMT -8
The undec model is of a Gunderson-Concarril 7550 cf double plug box car. This version (with eaves) was first built 4=9/03 for TBOX 660000-660499. Gunderson-Concarril built an earlier version without eaves and with 8 side posts on each side of the door, plus a few other differences from the model. The version with eaves (Walthers version) were built for: AOK 112000-112149 (150) 11/03=1/04 TBOX 660000-660499 (500) 4=9/03 TBOX 660500-660799 (300) 1=4/04 TBOX 660800-661199 (400) 1=5/05 <snip> So, one paint scheme (AOK) is accurate for this car. I'm guessing you mean one is accurate plus the 2 TBOX schemes, or weren't those up yet? Actually, the TBOX cars have Redi roofs (the kind with embossed ridges, like the Athearn car, rather than the combination diagonal-panel/X-panel as on the model). The roof is correct for AOK 112000-112149, so I guess that does make the AOK paint scheme the only accurate one that they are releasing at this point, or any other point, unfortunately. |
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Post by Brakie on Feb 15, 2018 7:16:26 GMT -8
...the cast on grabs, ladders, and other details... Just like when I started in the hobby 60 years ago. I feel so "at home". Perhaps a rubber band drive ES44AC could be next? Painted for B&O? It'll sell. I just know it. What more could anyone want? Ed Sorry--couldn't keep it in any longer. " Ed, Actually Advance modelers was replacing those "Hi-Fi" drives with Hobbytown drives made for Athearn's GP7 and F7A. Nobody liked those rubber band drives. Athearn's gear drive of that era left a lot to be desired. Athearn's new drive of the 60s was a vast improvement over their older gear drive. Still Hobbytown was the drive of choice for advance modelers of that era. |
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Post by riogrande on Feb 15, 2018 8:25:43 GMT -8
I am also going stay away from the "stand-in's"; I already have enough Athearn stand-in's that are better detailed. Heck, with a little effort, I can find models which are close matches and with limited funds, I'm generally avoiding the stand-ins too. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Feb 15, 2018 9:14:16 GMT -8
Just like when I started in the hobby 60 years ago. I feel so "at home". Perhaps a rubber band drive ES44AC could be next? Painted for B&O? It'll sell. I just know it. What more could anyone want? Ed Sorry--couldn't keep it in any longer. " Ed, Actually Advance modelers was replacing those "Hi-Fi" drives with Hobbytown drives made for Athearn's GP7 and F7A. Nobody liked those rubber band drives. Athearn's gear drive of that era left a lot to be desired. Athearn's new drive of the 60s was a vast improvement over their older gear drive. Still Hobbytown was the drive of choice for advance modelers of that era. But the "Mainline" modelers bought the rubber band. In droves. Ask Irv's ghost. "Proto" modelers (as you point out) bought the Hobbytown. As an "upwardly mobile" modeler, I bought a Hobbytown as soon as my allowance could cover the cost. AND. It was on sale! $9 for an RSD drive. THEN I had to find a shell to put on top of it. The rubber band drive had three things going for it: it was cheap, it was easy to fix, it was exceptionally smooth and quite once it got up to speed--much better than any gear drive at the time. Of course, slow speed switching was out of the question. But if you wanted an affordable ABBA set to pull a never-stopping mainline fright, they were entirely adequate. For their day. Ed |
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Post by cklx on Feb 15, 2018 11:07:48 GMT -8
[/quote]How did you find these? When i search new products, all that comes up are the walthers mainline pb's and a slew of other previously announced mainline items.[/quote]
It was in their newsletter.
Cornelius.
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Post by jbilbrey on Feb 15, 2018 18:05:38 GMT -8
I am also going stay away from the "stand-in's"; I already have enough Athearn stand-in's that are better detailed. Heck, with a little effort, I can find models which are close matches and with limited funds, I'm generally avoiding the stand-ins too. Yep, the stand-in's that I have now are mostly due to spur-of-the-moment purchases that I found out were not correct after the fact. Having a smart phone helps a lot in preventing those mistakes from happening now. In other words, it is best to do the research BEFORE you buy not AFTER, LOL. Back to the subject of this thread: Walthers has made a more formal announcement of the car on their FB page. "During our research, we found TTX has two similar classes of these big boxcars, however, earlier examples have a very different roof style. Later cars built from 2011 to 2013 use both “X” and diagonal panels for added strength, and because of this key difference, they’re designated as class XGH61." I bring this up as that adds another roadname to the list of correct models. I photographed an ex-TBOX class XGH61 boxcar patched and lettered for the Kansas City Southern as it passed through an nearby town late last year. |
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Post by brickbuilder711 on Feb 15, 2018 23:47:20 GMT -8
I'm very glad to see them announce this as while it is not the highest detailed, it just might put Athearn on a run for its money since they seem to have a monopoly (or close enough) for the TBOX. And it of course is a stand in.
The value pricing will attract a lot of folks particularly newbies who don't want to spend ridiculous amounts on Athearn's RTR (that is, after everyone who calls dibs on them snags up the available stock) or Genesis models.
I have both of the 2018 models on preorder, but I am waiting and seeing, and might can the Athearn orders if these are good enough as far as detail. But I can't expect all too much. It does have the correct number of ribs though, LOL.
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Post by nsfantodd on Feb 18, 2018 9:20:42 GMT -8
I'm very glad to see them announce this as while it is not the highest detailed, it just might put Athearn on a run for its money since they seem to have a monopoly (or close enough) for the TBOX. And it of course is a stand in. The value pricing will attract a lot of folks particularly newbies who don't want to spend ridiculous amounts on Athearn's RTR (that is, after everyone who calls dibs on them snags up the available stock) or Genesis models. I have both of the 2018 models on preorder, but I am waiting and seeing, and might can the Athearn orders if these are good enough as far as detail. But I can't expect all too much. It does have the correct number of ribs though, LOL. I was really excited when I first saw this announcement, but after looking at the photos, I don't think I can get past the super thick ladders! I'm still hoping Scale Trains will do one of the more recent TBOX versions. Like the TRG version. Its crazy that Athearn can't seem to produce enough TBOXs! Even the RTR versions regularly go for 50 to 60 bucks on ebay. Todd |
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Post by milgentrains on Feb 18, 2018 10:20:28 GMT -8
I'm very glad to see them announce this as while it is not the highest detailed, it just might put Athearn on a run for its money since they seem to have a monopoly (or close enough) for the TBOX. And it of course is a stand in. The value pricing will attract a lot of folks particularly newbies who don't want to spend ridiculous amounts on Athearn's RTR (that is, after everyone who calls dibs on them snags up the available stock) or Genesis models. I have both of the 2018 models on preorder, but I am waiting and seeing, and might can the Athearn orders if these are good enough as far as detail. But I can't expect all too much. It does have the correct number of ribs though, LOL. I was really excited when I first saw this announcement, but after looking at the photos, I don't think I can get past the super thick ladders! I'm still hoping Scale Trains will do one of the more recent TBOX versions. Like the TRG version. Its crazy that Athearn can't seem to produce enough TBOXs! Even the RTR versions regularly go for 50 to 60 bucks on ebay. Todd Athearn could make a boatload of money if they kept releasing 3 # every few months. I was able to get 2 of the most recent run and i had to work to get them. I also wish somebody could do the FBOX car at a lower price point. |
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Post by hovehicle on Feb 19, 2018 8:42:22 GMT -8
I know CP Rail runs through Milwaukee so you would think that Walthers could have chosen the 60' NSC? hi-cube box that has 3 horizontal ribs going across. THAT is a distinctive looking car, and it's different. They need to stop making duplicates in their Mainline Series because it's boring.
Vito L.
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Post by tony on Feb 19, 2018 19:33:41 GMT -8
With Battleship grade ladder grabs - they look like they will survive any attack. And that hand brake chain - nothing going to stop that.
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Post by sd80mac on Feb 20, 2018 8:07:40 GMT -8
I know CP Rail runs through Milwaukee so you would think that Walthers could have chosen the 60' NSC? hi-cube box that has 3 horizontal ribs going across. THAT is a distinctive looking car, and it's different. They need to stop making duplicates in their Mainline Series because it's boring. Vito L. *Boring to you |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 8:34:36 GMT -8
I know CP Rail runs through Milwaukee so you would think that Walthers could have chosen the 60' NSC? hi-cube box that has 3 horizontal ribs going across. THAT is a distinctive looking car, and it's different. They need to stop making duplicates in their Mainline Series because it's boring. Vito L. Maybe only boring for you. The cylindrical hoppers have been there best selling cars, they're hard to keep in stock. They seem to be doing cars that have been done. However the cars that are have been done by other manufacturers available are at a much higher price, even with discount. Mainline brings the price point down so you can have the same cars, and more of them, especially at a discount because we all like those. I didn't need an extra 8 cylindrical's but in the paint scheme's they've done so far, I couldn't help myself not to. All of the cars are great looking. I've stepped back from the modern era the last few years to more 60's - 80's and I'm having fun because there's so much more available. |
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Post by riogrande on Feb 20, 2018 8:38:03 GMT -8
I've stepped back from the modern era the last few years to more 60's - 80's and I'm having fun because there's so much more available. That's true - some really nice stuff fitting that time frame from Tangent, Atlas, Athearn, Intermountain, Moloco, Wheels of Time, and ExactRail. Yeah, maybe I'm sounding like a broken record but some nice stuff fitting that time frame. |
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Post by Brakie on Feb 20, 2018 9:45:30 GMT -8
I've stepped back from the modern era the last few years to more 60's - 80's and I'm having fun because there's so much more available. That's true - some really nice stuff fitting that time frame from Tangent, Atlas, Athearn, Intermountain, Moloco, Wheels of Time, and ExactRail. Yeah, maybe I'm sounding like a broken record but some nice stuff fitting that time frame. Jim, If I wanted stand-ins I would have kept my BB and Roundhouse cars since they passed the good enough test.. With my newer Atlas FMC 5347s cars I may have to go with KD 158s and that mean every car and the DCC and DCC/Sound locomotives will get 158s for uniformity of the fleet. |
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