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Post by marknycfan on Jul 7, 2018 15:39:51 GMT -8
A year late is now on time in this hobby!
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 7, 2018 16:18:55 GMT -8
Did Walthers ever fix that problem with putting DCC/sound into these switchers?
That would be the one where they took out so much weight for the above that they had to add traction tires. Which then may have increased pickup problems.
Anyone remember?
Ed
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Post by ambluco on Mar 5, 2019 5:54:14 GMT -8
I see these went from 2/28/19 to 9/28/19 for delivery date. This happened over the weekend, as best as I can tell.
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Post by riogrande on Mar 5, 2019 6:02:06 GMT -8
Now that Rapido is doing their SW1200's, also due later this year last I knew, I'll be going for the Rapido version.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Mar 5, 2019 8:00:03 GMT -8
Yes. I fully expect Rapido to do such things as paint their GN version in the proper colors, something Walthers (and Life Like!) failed to do.
The Walthers ones will likely end up being on sale.
Ed
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Post by roadkill on Mar 5, 2019 11:03:08 GMT -8
IDK, I rather like the Proto SW's, they run really well and IMHO they're a nice blank canvas for superdetailing.
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Post by sd80mac on Mar 5, 2019 11:11:56 GMT -8
IDK, I rather like the Proto SW's, they run really well and IMHO they're a nice blank canvas for superdetailing. I agree, they're great models. I dare say the SW1200 market is big enough for both Proto and Rapido.
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Post by fredo on Mar 5, 2019 12:37:40 GMT -8
Now that Rapido is doing their SW1200's, also due later this year last I knew, I'll be going for the Rapido version. I sure hope Jason will re do the extra large tread plate on these new SW 1200's. That's an expensive switch engine and it would be nice to see that improvement.
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Post by trainguy99 on Mar 6, 2019 3:31:44 GMT -8
The Walthers ones will likely end up being on sale. Ed Maybe, but it looks like about half are sold out at Walthers already.
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Post by riogrande on Mar 6, 2019 3:46:16 GMT -8
Now that Rapido is doing their SW1200's, also due later this year last I knew, I'll be going for the Rapido version. I sure hope Jason will re do the extra large tread plate on these new SW 1200's. That's an expensive switch engine and it would be nice to see that improvement. From Gareth in the Rapido RS11 topic: I haven't studied the SW1200 in depth but have been told that the Walthers SW1200 has some "differences" from the D&RGW 1200's, or flaws, and the Rapido version should be a more accurate model, if not also MUCH newer tooling. The Walthers is based on the "pretty good" Proto 2000 version which came out IIRC in the 1990's. If I find the reference I'll post it.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Mar 6, 2019 7:50:03 GMT -8
The Walthers ones will likely end up being on sale. Ed Maybe, but it looks like about half are sold out at Walthers already. Those are, of course, pre-orders. And many of those were made before the Rapido announcement. I do not know the policy of Walthers for declining a pre-order by a retailer: Are those pre-orders guaranteed sales for Walthers, or just an expression of deep interest by the retailers? Anyway, I see that the GN ones are not sold out. I almost pre-ordered one when they were announced, but am no where near regretting that now. Ed
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Post by 12bridge on Mar 6, 2019 8:53:27 GMT -8
I sure hope Jason will re do the extra large tread plate on these new SW 1200's. That's an expensive switch engine and it would be nice to see that improvement. From Gareth in the Rapido RS11 topic: I haven't studied the SW1200 in depth but have been told that the Walthers SW1200 has some "differences" from the D&RGW 1200's, or flaws, and the Rapido version should be a more accurate model, if not also MUCH newer tooling. The Walthers is based on the "pretty good" Proto 2000 version which came out IIRC in the 1990's. If I find the reference I'll post it. At this point, there is really nothing original left to the Proto/Walthers SW1200 tooling. Its all been redone, as well as an all new drive. Having worked on several of both, the Walthers is by far the easier to work on.
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Post by riogrande on Mar 6, 2019 9:08:55 GMT -8
At this point, there is really nothing original left to the Proto/Walthers SW1200 tooling. Its all been redone, as well as an all new drive. Having worked on several of both, the Walthers is by far the easier to work on. I have not purchased any Walthers re-worked LL Proto2000 engines to date but from what I can see Walthers has done a fair amount of upgrading and improvements. Given the similar price, Rapido seems to be a good choice but neither will be delivered for quite a while so I can have time to decide.
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Post by marknycfan on Mar 6, 2019 16:49:43 GMT -8
I guess I'll get the Rapido SW1200 in New Haven as well, for the $30 difference why not?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 17:15:59 GMT -8
My Walthers Undecorated unit showed up today...really nice unit. It has a die-cast chassis now; and offers two different fuel tanks and side frame options...plus roller bearings or friction bearing inserts. two different hand rail end stanchions; and side stanchions are also included.
It has the helical cut gear towers. The only issue for me is they made the steps solid instead of see-through...but the step wells are better than the older proto tooling. It is likewise equipped for easy DCC installation and has a provision for a small speaker.
I will buy the Rapido models as well...since I won't have to fabricate the class lights for them.
But these are nice. Worth the wait? You bet.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Sept 11, 2019 17:27:15 GMT -8
That's nice to hear--sounds like a good model. I was tempted by the GN version, but Walthers has been painting the yellow stripes in the wrong color forever, and seems unlikely to change.
I ordered one of the Rapido GN's--the odds are much better that the stripe color will be right/acceptable.
Ed
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 17:29:42 GMT -8
I think the Rapido model will be THE definitive model of the SW1200...and if they continue their series...maybe they'll cover the SW7 and NW2 models as well.
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Post by 12bridge on Sept 11, 2019 17:35:12 GMT -8
I think the Rapido model will be THE definitive model of the SW1200...and if they continue their series...maybe they'll cover the SW7 and NW2 models as well. Maybe, as long as they fix that atrocious tread plate. Pretty happy with my Walthers ones though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 17:37:02 GMT -8
Yeah...the Walthers units run superb...and the undecs are sweet. I am still going to get the SW1200 from Rapido. I really like the way Walthers set these up with the mother board and speaker provisions. Really nice undec. Personally, I like the die cast under frame as well...it has tread plating on the surface...and I think the steps are better rendered here in solid form...rather than the older proto style. Glad I waited for them.
Thanks to DCC Trains...for getting me one.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Sept 11, 2019 18:00:24 GMT -8
On switchers, I really DO like the metal underframe. The Atlas Alco S-2 has it, and the Bowser Baldwin VO-1000 doesn't. There's a nice increase in pulling power of the Atlas.
Ed
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Sept 11, 2019 19:40:16 GMT -8
FWIW, at our club we test all engines being registered with a spring scale to determine pulling power in ounces. There just over 100 4-axle switchers that have the following results:
Atlas S-units run from 2.5 to 3.5 oz.
Athearns (all kinds) from 1.5 to 2.0 oz.
Bachmann 44tonners are 0.75 to 1.5 oz.
BLI's (all types) go from 1.00 to 2.00 oz.
Kato NW2's are 3.00 to 3.25 oz.
P2K SW's and S-1's go from 1.75 to 2.25 oz.
The variations are due to cleanliness of wheels and/or track (dirty = more tonnage) and the person doing the test (is it full power with the wheels slipping, or is it at stall speed?).
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Post by carrman on Sept 11, 2019 21:32:23 GMT -8
Yeah...the Walthers units run superb...and the undecs are sweet. I am still going to get the SW1200 from Rapido. I really like the way Walthers set these up with the mother board and speaker provisions. Really nice undec. Personally, I like the die cast under frame as well...it has tread plating on the surface...and I think the steps are better rendered here in solid form...rather than the older proto style. Glad I waited for them. Thanks to DCC Trains...for getting me one. Pics?
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Post by ambluco on Sept 12, 2019 3:37:50 GMT -8
Ed, I've heard they will be using the Pantone Yellow ink up for that. That's nice to hear--sounds like a good model. I was tempted by the GN version, but Walthers has been painting the yellow stripes in the wrong color forever, and seems unlikely to change. I ordered one of the Rapido GN's--the odds are much better that the stripe color will be right/acceptable. Ed
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 9:11:29 GMT -8
If I can figure out how to link flickr photos consistently...I'll post my photos of the engine on here. It has a new motherboard...with the micro next 18 plug for loksound; I think. LED's...and runs smooth and quiet...It has an area for a speaker as well...behind the front LED on top of the mechanism...so no milling needed to get sound into it.
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Post by 12bridge on Sept 12, 2019 10:06:26 GMT -8
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Post by packer on Sept 12, 2019 10:53:28 GMT -8
That’s a pretty large motor. Although I like what they did with the frame, but I already have a rapido on order
Just curious is there an advantage to using a larger motor over a smaller motor?
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Post by brakie on Sept 12, 2019 10:58:18 GMT -8
I think the Rapido model will be THE definitive model of the SW1200...and if they continue their series...maybe they'll cover the SW7 and NW2 models as well. Tom, I'm sure the Rapido will be a beauty but, I am SW poor seeing I have 3 SW1200s,1 SW8,1, 2 SW7s 5 SW1500s and one SW1000 I 'll pass buying any more SWs since those switchers fills my needs.
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Post by James Ashley on Sept 12, 2019 10:59:18 GMT -8
It is the standard motor that Walthers has used in all of their Proto locomotives since upgrading them to helical geared trucks. (and most of the Mainline locomotives as well). It is just turned on the side for use in the SW1200.
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Post by craigz on Sept 12, 2019 16:21:05 GMT -8
It is the standard motor that Walthers has used in all of their Proto locomotives since upgrading them to helical geared trucks. (and most of the Mainline locomotives as well). It is just turned on the side for use in the SW1200. I have been consistently impressed with the helical gear drive Walthers mechanisms. They're really excellent runners, as good as anything on the market today.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 18:30:56 GMT -8
Walthers also tooled the inside of the hood a little thinner to allow the motor to remain free from the side walls...results in a quiet and smooth running engine.
Really well designed, IMO.
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