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Post by TBird1958 on May 8, 2022 8:55:01 GMT -8
Here's a prototype pic and some progress shots of a little project, it utilized some printed car side purchased from Shapeways, an IMWX 1937 AAR 40' boxcar kit and an Accurail 40' underframe.  With the sides being clear, it'd a bit strange to work on, here I'm gluing the basic carbody together.  The B end, less brakewheel.  The under frame, I used a Tangent '40 car as a guide to getting things located properly.  A end.  Here's an almost complete car side with various parts added, I still need to make the steps. It's getting close to paint.  |
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Post by lvrr325 on May 8, 2022 9:51:58 GMT -8
I looked at this car and I thought if you could deal with the tedium of cutting and gluing on the side waffles, it might be a good use of the old Athearn blue-box sorta-kinda-X58ish car; just cut the end five feet off, put new ends on, add the waffles and put a 40' underframe on it. Of course the roof could be wildly off and by the time you cut that away you may as well do this.
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Post by The Ferro Kid on May 8, 2022 9:59:54 GMT -8
Cool! What did these cars carry -- newsprint rolls?
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Post by TBird1958 on May 8, 2022 10:18:00 GMT -8
Cool! What did these cars carry -- newsprint rolls? I don't know - hopefully someone will add a bit of knowledge to this, one characteristic they seem to exhibit is that they got quite dirty for some reason, all the shots i can find show them as filthy. |
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Post by Mr. Trainiac on May 8, 2022 10:28:01 GMT -8
This is a pretty cool model, and the Shapeways sides look nice too. A note on railroad picture archives says that these cars were rebuilt from wood-side war emergency cars, which I find to be crazy. The pressed steel ends give it away as an older car, but the concept of rebuilding cars like this seems to be missing from modern railroading.
'Back in the day,' it seemed like every railroad had freight car shops that were cranking out strange home-built and rebuilt cars, now everything is just Trinity or Freightcar America Plate F boxcars.
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Post by TBird1958 on May 8, 2022 10:32:01 GMT -8
This is a pretty cool model, and the Shapeways sides look nice too. A note on railroad picture archives says that these cars were rebuilt from wood-side war emergency cars, which I find to be crazy. The pressed steel ends give it away as an older car, but the concept of rebuilding cars like this seems to be missing from modern railroading. 'Back in the day,' it seemed like every railroad had freight car shops that were cranking out strange home-built and rebuilt cars, now everything is just Trinity or Freightcar America Plate F boxcars. Just one more reason the '70s are the best decade to model -way more variety when it comes to equipment and railroads, better paint schemes too! |
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Post by csxt8400 on May 8, 2022 11:18:37 GMT -8
Super neat! Looking forward to the end result.
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Post by tom on May 8, 2022 13:17:52 GMT -8
Looking very good so far. Are the printed car sides compatible with normal styrene cement? I like the use of the Tichy ladder rungs....I remember using those on those Rail Yard Models X58 boxcar.
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Post by Mr. Trainiac on May 8, 2022 13:32:05 GMT -8
Looking very good so far. Are the printed car sides compatible with normal styrene cement? I like the use of the Tichy ladder rungs....I remember using those on those Rail Yard Models X58 boxcar. 3D printed plastic doesn't bond with styrene cement. It builds like a traditional cast-resin kit such as Westerfield or Funaro & Camerlengo. That means you have to use CA glue or epoxy. |
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Post by grabirons on May 8, 2022 14:54:09 GMT -8
What did you use for the ends? Woops, nevermind. I never put an IMWX kit together... yes really. I did not know the ends were not cast into the body.
The car looks great. The detail will really pop once the model is painted, looking forward to the completed painted pictures.
Could you post a link to the shapeways site for the car sides kit? Thank you.
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Post by TBird1958 on May 8, 2022 15:12:31 GMT -8
What did you use for the ends? Woops, nevermind. I never put an IMWX kit together... yes really. I did not know the ends were not cast into the body. The car looks great. The detail will really pop once the model is painted, looking forward to the completed painted pictures. Could you post a link to the shapeways site for the car sides kit? Thank you. The IMWX ends are cast as part of the body, I did cut them off with a Zona saw. Pretty easy to do and the rest of the kit is useful for finishing the model. Here's the sides, the mfg also does GN 4400 series sides, I may have to try those as well. www.shapeways.com/product/MNNEYBQYT/great-northern-boxcar-sides-waffle-4200-series?optionId=65330640&li=ostatus |
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Post by lvrr325 on May 8, 2022 15:56:40 GMT -8
Cool! What did these cars carry -- newsprint rolls? I don't know - hopefully someone will add a bit of knowledge to this, one characteristic they seem to exhibit is that they got quite dirty for some reason, all the shots i can find show them as filthy. I don't know either, but somewhere in the pics on rrpicturearchives you can clearly see one in the background of a photo taken in Sayre PA around 1974. So you don't need to be a GN guy to make an excuse to build one. And yes it too is filthy. |
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Post by packer on May 8, 2022 16:01:37 GMT -8
This is one of the cars on the bucket list to do, but i thought the ends on the IM car weren't attached (at least on the undec kit)?
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Post by tom on May 8, 2022 16:30:11 GMT -8
This is one of the cars on the bucket list to do, but i thought the ends on the IM car weren't attached (at least on the undec kit)? The ends are molded onto the carbody on the IMWX (Innovative Model Works) boxcar. IMWX preceded Intermountain's 10' 0" high car and Intermountain may have purchased the IMWX molds but I am not sure. The ends on the Intermountain car are not molded onto the carbody. |
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Post by champagnetrail on May 9, 2022 8:04:56 GMT -8
I don't know - hopefully someone will add a bit of knowledge to this, one characteristic they seem to exhibit is that they got quite dirty for some reason, all the shots i can find show them as filthy. I don't know either, but somewhere in the pics on rrpicturearchives you can clearly see one in the background of a photo taken in Sayre PA around 1974. So you don't need to be a GN guy to make an excuse to build one. And yes it too is filthy.
I've only got two in the EL wheel reports. One is going back empty consigned to ITT-Rayonier in Vancouver BC via the BN at Chicago, and the other is going empty back to the BN Agent in Everett WA.
-pat
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Post by The Ferro Kid on May 9, 2022 8:51:15 GMT -8
Here's what one source says about lading: ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/topic/great-northern-waffle-side-boxcarPage WAY down, and a Ted Hikel says: "The real GN 4200-4399 waffle side box cars were rebuilt from 1940s vintage plywood sided box cars. The GN reused the underframes, roof and ends and fabricated new sides to take DF2 bars, hence the waffle sides. The 10 foot doors allowed easy for lift loading. THESE CARS SAW EXTENSIVE USE HAULING WOOD AND PAPER PRODUCTS. SOME WERE IN ASSIGNED SERVICE TO SPECIFIC SHIPPERS." [Emphasis added.] |
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Post by schroed2 on May 9, 2022 9:27:01 GMT -8
The ends are molded onto the carbody on the IMWX (Innovative Model Works) boxcar. IMWX preceded Intermountain's 10' 0" high car and Intermountain may have purchased the IMWX molds but I am not sure. The ends on the Intermountain car are not molded onto the carbody. actually, the IM version is a different development... The IMWX version(s) went to Red Caboose and ended also up in IM ownership. Both types seem to be available (former IMWX/RC has SKU starting with 3, original IM start with 4) intermountain-railway.com/ho/hoboxcars.htm |
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Post by edwardsutorik on May 9, 2022 11:17:09 GMT -8
In 1978, I photographed one of these cars parked at a loading ramp just across the street from a large lumber yard. And no paper-using companies in sight. Since they would have had to use a fork lift to transfer the load to the yard, I do suspect it was plywood.
It's interesting that the yard had a track on the far side of their land, but no way to get a fork lift inside the car for the task.
Ed
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Post by simulatortrain on May 9, 2022 13:48:40 GMT -8
Great work so far! I just ordered a set of sides...
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Post by timvanmersbergen on May 11, 2022 15:08:09 GMT -8
Of all my fleet, this is one of my favorites. Tim VanMersbergen  |
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Post by TBird1958 on May 11, 2022 15:23:28 GMT -8
Looks great, Tim!
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Post by TBird1958 on May 22, 2022 8:15:14 GMT -8
Here's a bit of progress on this model, along with a Tangent car that helped me get some under frame details correct.  |
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Post by csxt8400 on May 22, 2022 13:53:38 GMT -8
That's a wicked little number, definitely becomes a point of focus as the train rolls by.
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Post by cera2254 on May 22, 2022 14:57:33 GMT -8
Love love love this car!
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Post by TBird1958 on May 29, 2022 7:14:23 GMT -8
I wrapped this up this morning, here's some detail shots and a couple of prototype pics from Steve Vincent and Ron Hawkins that I used as inspiration for my weathering. Finished under frame.  On the bench.  Prototype, by Steve Vincent  Awesome shot by Ron Hawkins, I used this to do the roof.  GN 4255 east bound on the D&RGW first out behind trailing GP30#3028, this car has come off the WP's Inside Gateway and is loaded with forest products from Washington State. One of the best reasons to model the '70s is vast array of equipment and road names out there.  A down on of the roof. This was a really fun little project that came together pretty easily, the modeling is its own reward.  |
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Post by ln1263 on May 29, 2022 8:29:18 GMT -8
That is a great looking boxcar Mark! Thanks for sharing it with us!
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Post by tom on May 30, 2022 6:09:31 GMT -8
The very well done weathering really completes the car. Great modeling on a different type of boxcar!
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Post by riogrande on May 30, 2022 6:22:27 GMT -8
You've got a great looking boxcar you can be proud of!
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2022 19:34:30 GMT -8
Wow, nice job, lotta work.
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Post by el3672 on Jun 1, 2022 12:34:05 GMT -8
Awesome Job!!! Love the weathering to.
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