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Post by Colin 't Hart on May 5, 2023 11:31:04 GMT -8
Exactrail admits the depressed center flat is a foobie, purposely made to have the most common features that make it only mostly correct for one small group of EL cars. Well that's not very exact of them. Exactly. |
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Post by fr8kar on May 5, 2023 12:07:24 GMT -8
Well that's not very exact of them. Exactly. Curt McCullough used to roast them all the time on this forum (or was it the actual Atlas forum?) over inaccurate details or paint schemes. I can think of a few paint schemes that weren't an exact match for the car they were applied to. |
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Post by platec on May 5, 2023 15:54:29 GMT -8
Curt McCullough used to roast them all the time on this forum (or was it the actual Atlas forum?) over inaccurate details or paint schemes. I can think of a few paint schemes that weren't an exact match for the car they were applied to. That would have been the original Atlas forum. Wow we're getting old. |
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Post by cera2254 on May 5, 2023 17:02:21 GMT -8
Wow that’s really reaching back there, haven’t thought about him in a long time. Lol
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on May 6, 2023 15:57:50 GMT -8
???Like an old song stuck in your head.....
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Post by NS4122 on May 6, 2023 16:14:11 GMT -8
He was on this forum too, but hasn't been active since 2016. Curt McCullough used to roast them all the time on this forum (or was it the actual Atlas forum?) over inaccurate details or paint schemes. I can think of a few paint schemes that weren't an exact match for the car they were applied to. |
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Post by carrman on May 8, 2023 5:07:02 GMT -8
Curt was despised by the original owner of ER.
Dave
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Post by locochris on May 8, 2023 6:17:09 GMT -8
If companies are going to make foobies I wish they would at least say it somewhere in their announcements and/or product descriptions, even if it's in fine print at the very bottom. I think the amount of sales they would lose would be negligible. Kind of like how Athearn marks theirs as "Legendary liveries" even though they probably only do that for locomotives.
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Post by GrandeGould on May 8, 2023 8:06:49 GMT -8
If companies are going to make foobies I wish they would at least say it somewhere in their announcements and/or product descriptions, even if it's in fine print at the very bottom. I think the amount of sales they would lose would be negligible. Kind of like how Athearn marks theirs as "Legendary liveries" even though they probably only do that for locomotives. ExactRail does. The former TrainLife exclusive "close enough" models that were migrated to ExactRail's site after TrainLife announced its closure indicate that they are not accurate, for example the Tropicana listing says "Major differences between our model and the prototype are different ends, side sill and narrower door. Our model makes a near match to the prototype." The depressed center flatcar listings all say "Given the rarity of all designs, ExactRail combined elements common to key prototypes to offer a Depressed Center Flat with both interesting and characteristic features. Perhaps closest in design to the Conrail (ex-Erie Lackawanna) FE42A Class Depressed Flat, ExactRail's Depressed Center Flat is a good stand-in for similar TTX/QTTX, NYC, UP, CR, & P&LE cars." It looks like Manufacturers Railway sold out in preorder (they no longer appear on the site) so in spite of all the whining about foobies around here people are spending money on them even when openly advertised as not fully accurate. |
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Post by riogrande on May 8, 2023 8:40:39 GMT -8
It looks like Manufacturers Railway sold out in preorder (they no longer appear on the site) so in spite of all the whining about foobies around here people are spending money on them even when openly advertised as not fully accurate. While I prefer accurate models where possible, in some cases stand-ins will do when there are no completely accurate models available. MRS freight cars in the paint offered by Exactrail were common on D&RGW freight trains in the 1980's, so this car will stand-in since there are no "correct" models available. |
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Post by Colin 't Hart on May 8, 2023 11:13:16 GMT -8
I don't mind stand-ins either, if clearly labelled, so I can make a "close enough" judgement. What bugged me about the ExactRail depressed center flat car is that it was accurate for absolutely nothing. It would've cost them exactly(!) the same amount to develop one which was accurate for at least one road.
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Post by riogrande on May 8, 2023 13:33:02 GMT -8
Speaking of depressed center flat cars, what about the Class One Models version?
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Post by fr8kar on May 8, 2023 18:57:22 GMT -8
I don't mind stand-ins either, if clearly labelled, so I can make a "close enough" judgement. What bugged me about the ExactRail depressed center flat car is that it was accurate for absolutely nothing. It would've cost them exactly(!) the same amount to develop one which was accurate for at least one road. I'm with you on that one. I can't remember if ExactRail always made the distinction that a given model was a stand-in for the prototype. For example, the PC&F 6033 painted for Santa Fe, the archive listing here: exactrail.com/collections/archive-1/products/pc-f-6033-cu-ft-hy-cube-box-car-atsfDoesn't indicate anything about the car being a stand-in, but this other page does: exactrail.com/products/x-pc-f-6033-cu-ft-hy-cube-box-car-atsfHere's a prototype photo of the real car for comparison: rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2068203These were rebuilt by Santa Fe to handle appliances so there are some superficial similarities to the PC&F boxcar, but a lot of differences. Depending on how high your standard is for Santa Fe boxcars it's good enough ...or not. Another car that comes to mind is the FMC 4000cf rotary coal gondola: exactrail.com/collections/archive-1/products/x-fmc-4000-gondola-bnThese were offered in BN, UP and CNW among other schemes. None of those railroads owned them so they are straight up foobies. I'll tell you who did own them and who ExactRail never offered this car lettered for: Coleto Creek Power. Now had they offered their car lettered in this scheme I'd have bought every number at least twice and renumbered them myself. This was not a Powder River coal train; the coal instead came from Colorado via the DRG&W, over the BN, ATSF and finally SP to the plant in south Texas. Likewise, ExactRail failed to offer these in Public Service Company of Oklahoma, though they offered that scheme with its second-hand owner's reporting marks. I would have been a buyer of both, but ExactRail's not dead yet so maybe there's a chance these actual prototype schemes will see the light of day! |
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Post by schroed2 on May 8, 2023 21:25:22 GMT -8
Speaking of depressed center flat cars, what about the Class One Models version? I HOPE it is as accurate for ATSF as what I can tell from the available information and pictures... |
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Post by richardthomasatal on May 12, 2023 9:04:16 GMT -8
Curt was despised by the original owner of ER. Dave Curt and Bruce Friedman were despised by a majority of modelers who knew them and most companies. I'm glad they are both off the forums for the most part, or perhaps behaving themselves under disguise of another user ID. |
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Post by NS4122 on May 13, 2023 8:03:36 GMT -8
There's no disputing that Curt was very picky, but compared to the rage I see from some posters on this forum today he was quite tame. I never had any issues with him personally, our conversations in private were always cordial. As for Bruce...He was always touting how friendly he was when, in reality, he was the exact opposite. If you disagreed with him, especially about Digitrax, he would get really personal and downright nasty. Curt was despised by the original owner of ER. Dave Curt and Bruce Friedman were despised by a majority of modelers who knew them and most companies. I'm glad they are both off the forums for the most part, or perhaps behaving themselves under disguise of another user ID. |
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Post by wagnersteve on May 13, 2023 14:51:36 GMT -8
May 13, about 6:43 p.m., EDT
Back to the question from Jim Fitch about the One Car Model Works depressed center flatcars. I'm very impressed with that rather new firm's website, emails and ads. The one car of that type the Delaware & Hudson had, D&H 16159, isn't in the first run One Car announced because it had different trucks from those initially being made; it likely will be part of a second round not yet announced that should become available next year. There are substantial detail variations between the models lettered for different railroads, well detailed in One Car's videos and write-ups.
The firm indicated in a video a few days ago that it has already sold out its forthcoming ATSF and UP cars and others are going fast. I have ordered the one car decorated for the Erie that's in the first run, part of a group of 21 such cars that railroad assembled using GSC parts between 1948 and 1958; the one in the first run is Erie 7265, marked as having been built in 1950. I also ordered the older style of two transformers that One Car is also producing. The firm is also making a large "drum" and a big "pump". Both the cars and the loads are expected to arrive this Spring.
Donnell Wells, do you think the question Jim Fitch posted on this thread and mine replying to it should be moved to the HO model railroading forum? I don't think I would be able to do that myself.
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Post by unittrain on May 18, 2023 19:46:17 GMT -8
Exactrail should consider a new name 🤔 how about approximate rail 🤔seriously I hope they continue I like their 60' boxczrs and 4427s also the verta paks.
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Post by riogrande on May 19, 2023 3:18:35 GMT -8
Exactrail should consider a new name 🤔 how about approximate rail 🤔seriously I hope they continue I like their 60' boxcar and 4427s also the verta paks. And there is Accurail... Most not so accurate. I grabbed pretty much all the Vert-a-pacs I needed when they were available. At least those commonly seen on the Rio Grande (SP, DRGW, MP, Frisco, MDT, RI, MILW). Only one missing is SOU I never got. They generally are listed on fleabay at high prices. Blainee,before he left said they would eventually be rerun. |
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Post by cemr5396 on May 20, 2023 13:25:49 GMT -8
Blaine, before he left said they would eventually be rerun. Blaine says a lot of things. I'll just leave it at that. How long ago was that again? |
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Post by riogrande on May 20, 2023 14:50:27 GMT -8
Blaine, before he left said they would eventually be rerun. Blaine says a lot of things. I'll just leave it at that. How long ago was that again? A long time ago in a galaxy far far away. And yes, others are in charge so may or may not ever be rerun. An SP Vert just sold for $50 on eBay, any new run will cost more surely. |
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