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Post by elfan on Mar 15, 2024 18:22:23 GMT -8
I see the important railroad has been represented. I will light the light to summon all of the followers of said railroad.
Heading to Lombard Hobbies this weekend to make my Tangent donation! This one will be minimal compared to one I’ll be making when, not if!…the much anticipated and requested items you mock actually show up! Lol Tom |
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Post by elfan on Mar 15, 2024 18:27:55 GMT -8
Build a decent model of one...........Guarantees a better model will come out   Build an Erie/ EL bay window caboose….please! Lol Tom |
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Post by rockfan on Mar 15, 2024 18:59:02 GMT -8
Love Tangent, nothing I really need, let's see what April brings.
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Post by riogrande on Mar 15, 2024 19:02:32 GMT -8
Love Tangent, nothing I really need, let's see what April brings. A Rio Grande caboose! 😀 |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Mar 15, 2024 19:12:49 GMT -8
After those SP&S (sold out)/NP/GN cabooses, I'm feelin' pretty sated.
Might could use some SP&S/GN/BN Gunderson woodchip cars, though.
Just a thought.
Ed
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Post by ChessieFan1978 on Mar 16, 2024 6:29:28 GMT -8
The wait for the Southern Bay Window Cabooses continues ..................................!
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Post by hovehicle on Mar 16, 2024 17:26:22 GMT -8
The wait for a 90's-2020 build date on a freight car continues from Tangent. Any idea when that red CP Rail repaint took place? I'll be in for a few of those!
Vito L.
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Post by lvrr325 on Mar 16, 2024 20:15:34 GMT -8
All the clunking that you hear is piles of Robins Rails/Proto Power/Con-Cor cars hitting the garbage cans of modelers everywhere. Wait until the cracking noises as the trash truck compacts them. Plenty of guys who don't want to pay $60 for a high end car will be happy to pay $10 for a Con-Cor. You'd be shocked at the things people will still buy and run on their layouts. |
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Post by el3672 on Mar 16, 2024 20:57:51 GMT -8
Yeah Somewhere i got a bunch of those EL Con Cor 60' oldies stashed new in box. I believe mid 80's MRPO stuff. Not so fast in the trash, hopefully in good hands soon at a fair price and a few $$ back in my pocket. Time to start thinning the collection anyway. |
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Post by ncrc5315 on Mar 17, 2024 8:37:32 GMT -8
Finally, that horrible Con Cor car can fade into obsuscrity where it belongs. Hey Tangent, how about these for the next run?  I really wouldn't have a place for these cars, but for this one, I think I could find a spot. |
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Post by cp6027 on Mar 17, 2024 17:09:59 GMT -8
The wait for a 90's-2020 build date on a freight car continues from Tangent. Any idea when that red CP Rail repaint took place? I'll be in for a few of those! Vito L. The picture of the fresh red CPR repaint is from April 1998. Given that beaver logo was introduced in 1997, that scheme cannot be much older. I'm not sure if any other cars in this series were similarly repainted or not. Most wore a spartan brown CPAA scheme, essentially as-delivered but with the large billboard CP script painted out. These cars lasted until the 2007/2008 timeframe. |
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Post by cemr5396 on Mar 17, 2024 19:06:10 GMT -8
I'm not sure if any other cars in this series were similarly repainted or not. Most wore a spartan brown CPAA scheme, essentially as-delivered but with the large billboard CP script painted out. The only full repaints I have seen photos of are CPAA 205002 and 003. I've seen some photos of a few Thrall 60 footers in the next number series that were painted the same bright red but just with simple stencilled lettering but otherwise they were just various shades of brown as well, so those two Greenvilles may have been the only 60 foot autoparts cars to get the full Beaver scheme. |
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Post by ChessieFan1978 on Mar 18, 2024 3:34:17 GMT -8
Love Tangent, nothing I really need, let's see what April brings. A Rio Grande caboose! 😀 My bets are on another run of the 60' Greenville Boxcars. |
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Post by riogrande on Mar 18, 2024 4:05:58 GMT -8
My bets are on another run of the 60' Greenville Boxcars. Sure, at some point, although they may spread it out over the coming months. |
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Post by champagnetrail on Mar 20, 2024 19:07:39 GMT -8
Some of us here and I have been asking for that EL caboose for over 3 years now, ever since the first Tangent caboose was delivered, and it is a no go. I am not holding my breath any longer for that one. There is a better chance of seeing another EL freight car first as we just got here. I would like to see the 4500 covered hopper though in EL as I do not paint and decal any longer. I would also like to see a heavy-duty flat deck flat car; many roads could be done including Erie and Erie Lackawanna. Hey, whatever we get, I will be happy with that. Bruce Now that Tangent has added the proper 100T friction bearing truck to their line, I suspect we will see the EL cars in the next batch of Greenville 4500 cu ft covered hoppers. At least I hope so...
-pat
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Post by champagnetrail on Mar 20, 2024 19:08:36 GMT -8
Why do the Milwaukee cars have two numbers by the reporting mark? The numbers above the reporting marks would be the pool code. 202 on the cars that are return to the Essex Terminal in Windsor are quite possibly assigned to Ford's Essex Engine plant. 168 on the PRR Madisonville cars could indicate assignment to Ford Sharonville Transmission. Does a list of Ford pool codes exist out there somewhere?
-pat
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Post by champagnetrail on Mar 20, 2024 19:29:08 GMT -8
Nice model. My EL one showed up in the mail today!
The EL modelers in the group will obviously be interested in the EL ones, which were assigned to the Ford Monroe Stampings plant (on the NYC/PC), which among other things made a lot of chrome-plated auto parts. This pool of cars traveled to/from Ford Mahwah Assembly via the PC connection at Buffalo. EL #67826 showed up eastbound in train TC-4 on 8 November 1975 loaded with parts for Mahwah Assembly. That's the one I got.
The Wabash cars are also good, with 12 still listed in the Equipment Register in January, 1976, but the others presumably having been changed to NW reporting marks by that time. They were in a pool assigned to Warren MI, which also sent cars to Mahwah Assembly.
Although the Milwaukee cars don't show in the EL wheel report collection, Tangent has done some of the Milwaukee ones that were assigned to Ford Sharonville (OH) Transmission (on the PRR/PC), which also sent cars to Mahwah Assembly. I suspect the database is just too small to have a hit on one. Note the Milwaukee cars are ex-GBW, having been acquired in 1973. Incidentally, one of the GBW cars showed up in the wheel reports in 1972, so if you model before 1973, just wait for Tangent to run the GBW car, which hopefully they will in the future. If you model the EL and want a Milwaukee car, you might go for one of the Sharonville cars and maybe not one of the Windsor cars, because I don't believe Windsor Engine supplied Mahwah Assembly. The wheel reports suggest Mahwah got engines supplied from Ford Park OH (Lima Engine) on the DT&I and Brook Park OH (Cleveland Engine) on the PC.
Unfortunately, the CP cars were already moved to CPAA reporting marks by 1972.
Looking forward to a second run already!
-pat
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Mar 20, 2024 22:44:13 GMT -8
Pat,
Do you know if any of the MILW cars ended up at the Ford assembly plant in St Paul?
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Post by unittrain on Mar 21, 2024 5:44:47 GMT -8
If I remember right but maybe wrong isn't the Robbins Rails version a little short on the height? I think I remember it was tooled in Germany and there was a mix up on mesurment conversion?
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Post by tom on Mar 21, 2024 7:10:26 GMT -8
If I remember right but maybe wrong isn't the Robbins Rails version a little short on the height? I think I remember it was tooled in Germany and there was a mix up on mesurment conversion? Back went I worked on this Robin's Rail boxcar (2+ decades ago?) I thought it looked too low for a Plate C boxcar and comparing it to photos today still seems to be the case. It could have been due to conversion errors but seems unlikely since they got the other dimensions close. I remember a set of drawings in RMC years for this car but it was now longer in my binder. Anyhow the time was certainly ripe for a new model of this car and glad that it is Tangent that is doing it. |
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Post by dti406 on Mar 21, 2024 7:23:50 GMT -8
If I remember right but maybe wrong isn't the Robbins Rails version a little short on the height? I think I remember it was tooled in Germany and there was a mix up on mesurment conversion? Back went I worked on this Robin's Rail boxcar (2+ decades ago?) I thought it looked too low for a Plate C boxcar and comparing it to photos today still seems to be the case. It could have been due to conversion errors but seems unlikely since they got the other dimensions close. I remember a set of drawings in RMC years for this car but it was now longer in my binder. Anyhow the time was certainly ripe for a new model of this car and glad that it is Tangent that is doing it. The designer used the top of the running board instead of the top of the car for the height of the car which is why it is a little short, with modifications the old Robbins Rails car can still be used for the early Thrall and ACF cars, but again will be a little short. Rick Jesionowski |
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Post by wagnersteve on Mar 21, 2024 8:16:23 GMT -8
3/21/2024, starting 12:14 p.m., EDT
I've been enjoying this thread even though the models being discussed are too long for me to be adding any for use on my small layout.
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Post by milgentrains on Mar 21, 2024 10:07:45 GMT -8
3/21/2024, starting 12:14 p.m., EDT I've been enjoying this thread even though the models being discussed are too long for me to be adding any for use on my small layout. For the same reason I sold off most of my 0 foot cars. When I saw the Conrail cars I just had to have two of them. I've always had a weakness for just about anything Tangent makes. |
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Post by five83 on Mar 21, 2024 11:20:43 GMT -8
Pat, Do you know if any of the MILW cars ended up at the Ford assembly plant in St Paul? I'm by no means an expert on Ford vehicles and what plants produced what products, but after a quick investigation, I have come to a conclusion that the Milw. cars from the Sharonville, OH plant were most likely seen in at the St. Paul plant. The Sharonville, OH plant produced transmissions for the Ford St. Paul line of vehicles, which included the LTD and the Ranger (they shared the same transmission as the Bronco). The Windsor, Canada plant produced engines such as the Essex V6 that weren't an option on St. Paul made vehicles. |
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Post by champagnetrail on Mar 21, 2024 13:52:57 GMT -8
Pat, Do you know if any of the MILW cars ended up at the Ford assembly plant in St Paul? I'm by no means an expert on Ford vehicles and what plants produced what products, but after a quick investigation, I have come to a conclusion that the Milw. cars from the Sharonville, OH plant were most likely seen in at the St. Paul plant. The Sharonville, OH plant produced transmissions for the Ford St. Paul line of vehicles, which included the LTD and the Ranger (they shared the same transmission as the Bronco). The Windsor, Canada plant produced engines such as the Essex V6 that weren't an option on St. Paul made vehicles. That makes sense because Mahwah also assembled the LTD. It would also make sense that the Milwaukee would supply some cars to a pool that serviced Twin Cities Assembly.
The Milwaukee cars must have gone on an all-PC routing to Chicago, or up across Lake Michigan on the ferry, but not on the EL so I have no information.
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Post by five83 on Mar 21, 2024 14:42:38 GMT -8
I'm by no means an expert on Ford vehicles and what plants produced what products, but after a quick investigation, I have come to a conclusion that the Milw. cars from the Sharonville, OH plant were most likely seen in at the St. Paul plant. The Sharonville, OH plant produced transmissions for the Ford St. Paul line of vehicles, which included the LTD and the Ranger (they shared the same transmission as the Bronco). The Windsor, Canada plant produced engines such as the Essex V6 that weren't an option on St. Paul made vehicles. That makes sense because Mahwah also assembled the LTD. It would also make sense that the Milwaukee would supply some cars to a pool that serviced Twin Cities Assembly.
The Milwaukee cars must have gone on an all-PC routing to Chicago, or up across Lake Michigan on the ferry, but not on the EL so I have no information.
Not sure on the exact date, but the GB&W lost the Ford traffic to the Milwaukee. A big blow for the railroad. Car ferry service levels were on the downward slide and the Milwaukee and their Chicago routing at that time was far superior. Seeing as these were former GB&W cars and were refurbished in 1973, I can only assume that the GB&W lost the traffic roughly around that time. |
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Post by tony on Mar 21, 2024 16:50:58 GMT -8
The above NKP Robin Rails car is one of the very best I've seen. Nice Job! I've never even started the couple of Robin Rails kits because (1) I wanted an etched walkway and nothing existed (2) the underframe needs some work and detailing which I had no references, and the Internet didn't exist at the time. Setting the model to a more correct ride height really helps this a lot, along with draft gear details, walkway. I won't put them in the trash, but if there are etched walkways available where do I find a couple. I believe one of them is Great Northern - which I don't know is even correct.
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Mar 22, 2024 0:20:17 GMT -8
Pat, Do you know if any of the MILW cars ended up at the Ford assembly plant in St Paul? I'm by no means an expert on Ford vehicles and what plants produced what products, but after a quick investigation, I have come to a conclusion that the Milw. cars from the Sharonville, OH plant were most likely seen in at the St. Paul plant. The Sharonville, OH plant produced transmissions for the Ford St. Paul line of vehicles, which included the LTD and the Ranger (they shared the same transmission as the Bronco). The Windsor, Canada plant produced engines such as the Essex V6 that weren't an option on St. Paul made vehicles. Thanks, five83 and Pat. The transmission argument works for me. I need to get one of the Sharonville cars. I found this photo taken October 29, 1989 by Mike Guss. It shows SOO 411 GP9 and SOO 1527 ex MILW MP15AC on the Ford Line trestle in St Paul MN:  I'm not sure if the leading three cars are Greenville 6000s or something else. |
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Post by prr 4467 on Mar 23, 2024 6:50:24 GMT -8
I can agree that the big 86' boxcars look a bit uncomfortable on normal radius curves.
However, my son likes everything diesel, steam, etc. We enlarged some of the curves where we had room to do so, and we still have some of the big Tangent 86' boxcars because they are just too neat not to have...just didn't keep the large number originally purchased.
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Post by dstark on Mar 25, 2024 7:13:25 GMT -8
Hey, if you're going to rip off my photo please have the decency to provide proper attribution and the context that it was posted with - this would have answered some of the follow-up questions. Photo particulars: CPAA 205003 shot on CP at London, ON April 18, 1998. Repainted KBX HAM 1998 along with CPAA 205002. Series CP/CPAA 205000-205025 built Greenville Steel Car 3-66. Most commonly used in Ford Windsor, ON engine service. Doug Stark Finally, that horrible Con Cor car can fade into obsuscrity where it belongs. Hey Tangent, how about these for the next run? |
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