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Post by jonklein611 on Jun 6, 2024 5:06:10 GMT -8
Rapido UK announced their S160 models: No.1604 (GWR), black with U.S.A. on tender. (SKU 926001)  No.2415 (LMS), dark grey with U.S.A on tender (SKU 926002)  No.1712 (LNER), light grey with U.S.A on tender (SKU 926003)  No. 2356 (SR), light grey with Transportation Corps U.S.A. on tender (SKU 926004)  No. 700 Major General Carl R Gray Jr, Longmoor Military Railway blue (SKU 926005)  No. 5820 Big Jim, light grey with Transportation Corps U.S.A. on tender (SKU 926006)  No. 6046, black with U.S.A on tender (SKU 926007)  No. 2253, Omaha, maroon with Transportation Corps U.S.A. on tender (SKU 926008)  No. 95820 Big Jim, black with early BR emblem (SKU 926009)  ![]()  Vendor Exclusives: No.2044, WD Drab/Green Exclusive to Ellis Clark Trains.  No. WD701 Franklin D. Roosevelt, Longmoor Military Railway livery Exclusive to Rails of Sheffield.  No.2582 PVT. H.J. O’BRIEN, black with Transportation Corps U.S.A. on tender Exclusive to Rails of Sheffield.  |
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Post by jonklein611 on Jun 6, 2024 8:48:43 GMT -8
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Post by Christian on Jun 6, 2024 9:38:13 GMT -8
4mm scale? 00 on H0 track?
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Post by jonklein611 on Jun 6, 2024 9:45:56 GMT -8
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Post by wagnersteve on Jun 6, 2024 9:57:19 GMT -8
June 6, shortly before 2 p.m., EDT
If I'm remembering model railroad history correctly, OO scale -- which is 1/76 full size, not 1/148, as contrasted to approximately 1/87 for HO -- remained more popular in the UK than in North America because British steam locos tended to be smaller than those in the US and Canada and the electric motors available back in the 1930s and for some time afterward fit somewhat more easily into the slightly larger bodies.
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Post by jonklein611 on Jun 6, 2024 10:19:46 GMT -8
June 6, shortly before 2 p.m., EDT If I'm remembering model railroad history correctly, OO scale -- which is 1/76 full size, not 1/148, as contrasted to approximately 1/87 for HO -- remained more popular in the UK than in North America because British steam locos tended to be smaller than those in the US and Canada and the electric motors available back in the 1930s and for some time afterward fit somewhat more easily into the slightly larger bodies. Thanks for the correction. I have updated my post. OO is 4mm to the foot. Yes, British railroads have a notoriously small loading gauge. From Wiki: |
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Post by Baikal on Jun 6, 2024 14:09:38 GMT -8
June 6, shortly before 2 p.m., EDT If I'm remembering model railroad history correctly, OO scale -- which is 1/76 full size, not 1/148, as contrasted to approximately 1/87 for HO -- remained more popular in the UK than in North America because British steam locos tended to be smaller than those in the US and Canada and the electric motors available back in the 1930s and for some time afterward fit somewhat more easily into the slightly larger bodies.
OO Scale is 1/76.2 exactly as OO is defined as 4mm : 1 ft and there are 304.8mm per ft. (HO Scale is 3.5mm : 1 ft)
OO Scale equipment running on HO Scale track means the gauge is undersized by (3.5/4) at 49 7/16". That's 7 1/16" less than standard gauge at 56.5".
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Post by sd80mac on Jun 7, 2024 6:19:13 GMT -8
Wonder if they would ever be willing to rescale an HO version to represent the engines that are still state-side?
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Post by jonklein611 on Jun 7, 2024 6:35:55 GMT -8
Wonder if they would ever be willing to rescale an HO version to represent the engines that are still state-side? I would love if they did the ARR 557. Sadly I'm guessing it would require all new tooling, so who knows. If someone wants it bad enough they can band together and offer to fund it! |
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Post by pjm20 on Jun 7, 2024 6:40:03 GMT -8
Roco has offered the S160 too.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jun 7, 2024 7:50:20 GMT -8
 The S160's, as shown above, had 57" drivers. That's the driver diameter of a typical 0-8-0. But, yet, the drivers on the S160 look MUCH larger than that. I was guessing they might be 63", or even larger, based on the proportions of the drivers vs. the boiler. Yup, that's a tiny little loco. And there were 2120 built. If Rapido had decided to make this model to true HO scale, ya coulda bought one and placed it on top of your Rapido PRR F30A (see above photo). Ed |
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Post by jonklein611 on Jun 7, 2024 8:14:41 GMT -8
The S160's, as shown above, had 57" drivers. That's the driver diameter of a typical 0-8-0. But, yet, the drivers on the S160 look MUCH larger than that. I was guessing they might be 63", or even larger, based on the proportions of the drivers vs. the boiler. Yup, that's a tiny little loco. And there were 2120 built. If Rapido had decided to make this model to true HO scale, ya coulda bought one and placed it on top of your Rapido PRR F30A (see above photo). Ed Quite the demonstration of how tiny the loading gauge is the UK is. |
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Post by Baikal on Jun 7, 2024 13:07:34 GMT -8
Wonder if they would ever be willing to rescale an HO version to represent the engines that are still state-side?
Magic 8 Ball says "NO".
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Post by Baikal on Jun 7, 2024 13:16:30 GMT -8
The S160's, as shown above, had 57" drivers. That's the driver diameter of a typical 0-8-0. But, yet, the drivers on the S160 look MUCH larger than that. I was guessing they might be 63", or even larger, based on the proportions of the drivers vs. the boiler. Yup, that's a tiny little loco. And there were 2120 built. If Rapido had decided to make this model to true HO scale, ya coulda bought one and placed it on top of your Rapido PRR F30A (see above photo). Ed
57" drivers in OO scale would be about 65" in HO scale. This loco is about 14.3 percent bigger than HO scale.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jun 7, 2024 13:39:56 GMT -8
57" drivers in OO scale would be about 65" in HO scale. This loco is about 14.3 percent bigger than HO scale.
That will be corrected when they do the true HO version. Of course, one could just get the somewhat overpriced Roco one--might be waiting awhile. Ed |
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Post by Baikal on Jun 7, 2024 14:07:20 GMT -8
57" drivers in OO scale would be about 65" in HO scale. This loco is about 14.3 percent bigger than HO scale.
That will be corrected when they do the true HO version. Of course, one could just get the somewhat overpriced Roco one--might be waiting awhile. Ed
I choose "none of the above".
Cool looking loco, but it's far down my already-too-long list.
Focus.
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Post by Mr. Trainiac on Jun 7, 2024 16:44:48 GMT -8
Honestly, I see Piko as a contender for a third version of this model. All of Piko's HO models available in the US are 'immigrant locomotives' either coming from Europe like the Krauss-Maffei and the Sprinter, or going to Europe like the Whitcomb.
The S160 is the natural expansion of that series; a locomotive with connections to both North America and Europe.
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Post by Baikal on Jun 7, 2024 16:52:08 GMT -8
Honestly, I see Piko as a contender for a third version of this model. All of Piko's HO models available in the US are 'immigrant locomotives' either coming from Europe like the Krauss-Maffei and the Sprinter, or going to Europe like the Whitcomb. The S160 is the natural expansion of that series; a locomotive with connections to both North America and Europe.
How many of these were used in North America? The only steam I saw in revenue service was a loco of this size switching coal hoppers at Fort Eustis, VA around 1964.
It looks like the Army Transportation Corp museum there has one. I can't post a proper link, but go to Ft Eustis on Google maps, click on the museum, and scroll down thru the user-posted photos.
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Post by Mr. Trainiac on Jun 7, 2024 17:58:17 GMT -8
Honestly, I see Piko as a contender for a third version of this model. All of Piko's HO models available in the US are 'immigrant locomotives' either coming from Europe like the Krauss-Maffei and the Sprinter, or going to Europe like the Whitcomb. The S160 is the natural expansion of that series; a locomotive with connections to both North America and Europe.
How many of these were used in North America? The only steam I saw in revenue service was a loco of this size switching coal hoppers at Fort Eustis, VA around 1964.
It looks like the Army Transportation Corp museum there has one. I can't post a proper link, but go to Ft Eustis on Google maps, click on the museum, and scroll down thru the user-posted photos.
I haven't done much research on the S160, but I do know of a few in the US. Wikipedia mentions 10 being held back in the States for use on military bases. Some ended up on shortlines secondhand, and Jon Klein also mentioned the Alaska locomotives which were built new. Another notable S160 in the US that I know about is the one currently used by the Great Smoky Mountains Railroad. In the 60's it operated on the Reader Railroad in Arkansas (not to be confused with the Reading). The Reader is now defunct, but it used to hold some convoluted record, like the last all-steam railroad or the last mixed train railroad or something like that. Age of Steam Roundhouse has a nice cosmetically-restored S160, but I don't know it's heritage. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jun 8, 2024 5:25:12 GMT -8
Here's some video of the 1966 running of triple-headed steam at Fort Eustis: I was there. I'm the one with the camera. Note that 611 (the center engine) has rotary cam valves. Ed |
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Post by grahamline on Jun 8, 2024 19:08:49 GMT -8
I realize that one of these is probably OO (Rapido) and the other is HO (Roco) but it would be very interesting to compare the design and construction quality of one to the other.
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Post by grahamline on Jun 8, 2024 19:10:11 GMT -8
I realize that one of these is probably OO (Rapido) and the other is HO (Roco) but it would be very interesting to compare the design and construction quality of one to the other.
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Post by Baikal on Jun 8, 2024 19:58:41 GMT -8
I realize that one of these is probably OO (Rapido) and the other is HO (Roco) but it would be very interesting to compare the design and construction quality of one to the other.
One is a narrow gauge version of a standard gauge loco, that's hard to overcome.
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Post by Baikal on Jun 8, 2024 20:03:37 GMT -8
Here's some video of the 1966 running of triple-headed steam at Fort Eustis: I was there. I'm the one with the camera. Note that 611 (the center engine) has rotary cam valves. Ed
That was very cool, and coupled with the fact that one of these class of locos was likely the only steam loco I ever saw in revenue service has raised my interest considerably. HO scale only.
Are you the guy by the track?
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jun 9, 2024 5:50:25 GMT -8
That was very cool, and coupled with the fact that one of these class of locos was likely the only steam loco I ever saw in revenue service...
Well, probably. I recall there was also at least one non-S160: #620. During train movement, I stayed away from the track. Ed |
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Post by prr 4467 on Jun 9, 2024 6:47:22 GMT -8
I can appreciate that Rapido is attempting to fill a niche in the market for small-er steam locomotives, and that there have been a number of people who have said they don't need a Big Boy or Challenger or (fill in the blank) other large locomotives.
I just for myself prefer the big 2-10-4 and similarly sized locos, where possible, so it wouldn't be my thing.
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Post by Baikal on Jun 9, 2024 7:58:37 GMT -8
I can appreciate that Rapido is attempting to fill a niche in the market for small-er steam locomotives, and that there have been a number of people who have said they don't need a Big Boy or Challenger or (fill in the blank) other large locomotives. I just for myself prefer the big 2-10-4 and similarly sized locos, where possible, so it wouldn't be my thing.
What smaller HO scale steam have they done other than the canadian 4-6-0?
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jun 9, 2024 8:27:43 GMT -8
I can appreciate that Rapido is attempting to fill a niche in the market for small-er steam locomotives,... That "niche" will be in the UK, as the vast majority of modelers in the US work in HO scale. Which this will not be. Who DOES need, or want, a Big Boy or Challenger in OO/HO scale? Ed |
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Post by prr 4467 on Jun 9, 2024 9:21:59 GMT -8
Seriously, short memories, perhaps? Or else people on here focus so much on diesels that they simply haven't been paying attention.
Over the past few years there have been plenty of posts on various topics on this forum and also over on the Model Railroader General forum from a plethora of hobbyists (not myself) who have stated that there aren't enough small steam locomotives available in HO, roughly coinciding with Rapido's original announcement that a Canadian 2-8-0 as well as the 4-6-0 were planned, and Rapido had even stated at that time that IF they did well there would be MORE small steam locos. Since then, the 4-6-0 got made along with the hudson while the Canadian 2-8-0 appears to be on the backburner.
I personally don't need an HO or OO Big Boy or Challenger, but I'm sure there will be people who can use a small steamer and I think this S160 could be neat for some of them.
BLI has me covered with locos that either are out and available to buy or are coming soon, so I do not have a dog in this.
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Post by Baikal on Jun 9, 2024 10:17:39 GMT -8
Seriously, short memories, perhaps? Or else people on here focus so much on diesels that they simply haven't been paying attention. Over the past few years there have been plenty of posts on various topics on this forum and also over on the Model Railroader General forum from a plethora of hobbyists (not myself) who have stated that there aren't enough small steam locomotives available in HO, roughly coinciding with Rapido's original announcement that a Canadian 2-8-0 as well as the 4-6-0 were planned, and Rapido had even stated at that time that IF they did well there would be MORE small steam locos. Since then, the 4-6-0 got made along with the hudson while the Canadian 2-8-0 appears to be on the backburner. I personally don't need an HO or OO Big Boy or Challenger, but I'm sure there will be people who can use a small steamer and I think this S160 could be neat for some of them. BLI has me covered with locos that either are out and available to buy or are coming soon, so I do not have a dog in this.
I ask again since you may have forgotten the question:
What smaller HO scale steam has Rapido done other than the canadian 4-6-0?
A 4-6-4 (Hudson) isn't a small loco.
The S160 is not HO scale. It's a narrow gauge version of a standard gauge loco just about midway between S and HO scales.
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