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Post by win70rob on Sept 7, 2024 14:14:15 GMT -8
Made a mistake and posted in the O scale forum by mistake, this is the corrected version
Would like some input on 40’ boxcars, I have a very plentiful stockpile of undec intermountain PS-1’s and a few Kadee undecs as well. The detailing and the painting is easy but what I’m trying to figure out is the difference between manufacturers. The railroad I’m modeling had both Magor and Pullman standard cars. Was there a visual difference between the two builder’s boxcars for the AAR 1937 design? Many of the prototype photos show cars that have been through rebuild a time or two. Any help or input for modeling tips will help
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Post by dti406 on Sept 7, 2024 16:03:30 GMT -8
You need to go onto the steamerafreightcars.com website and check out their roster and respective differences between all the cars.
By the way neither the IMRC or Kadee cars have anything to do with 1937AAR boxcars as they are PS1 boxcars which have very different roofs, ends and sides compared to 1937 cars.
1937 AAR cars were manufactured by IMWX which were then made by Red Caboose which had different end posts. IMRC also makes the 1937 AAR car but it has some detail problems.
Rick Jesionowski
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Post by Baikal on Sept 7, 2024 17:33:40 GMT -8
Made a mistake and posted in the O scale forum by mistake, this is the corrected version Would like some input on 40’ boxcars, I have a very plentiful stockpile of undec intermountain PS-1’s and a few Kadee undecs as well. The detailing and the painting is easy but what I’m trying to figure out is the difference between manufacturers. The railroad I’m modeling had both Magor and Pullman standard cars. Was there a visual difference between the two builder’s boxcars for the AAR 1937 design? Many of the prototype photos show cars that have been through rebuild a time or two. Any help or input for modeling tips will help
In addition to checking out steamerafreightcars.com as Rick suggested, join the Steam Era Freight Cars IO Group. A very active group with lots of knowlegable members to answer questions plus data you can access. Free.
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Post by win70rob on Sept 7, 2024 17:51:22 GMT -8
Sounds great! I really appreciate the info. Was looking for an Intermountain AAR box on eBay but maybe the Red Caboose kit might be better to start with I’m guessing
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Post by markfj on Sept 8, 2024 4:04:05 GMT -8
win70rob, Spend some time looking through the Hindsight 20/20 presentations found in the link below, they are a few specific to 40' boxcars. But don't ignore the other presentations as they are loaded with good information too! Hindsight 20/20 ArchiveAnd also spend some time searching through Ted Culotta's Speedwitch Media. Many years ago Model Railroader did an overview article on the differences between boxcar manufacturers. I have a scanned copy of this article somewhere and will have to look for it. Mark J. Edit: Just found this one: Oddball 40' PS-1 Box Cars |
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Post by timvanmersbergen on Sept 8, 2024 8:56:26 GMT -8
40' boxcars come in lots of varieties. Best bet is to start with your prototype and work backwards.
Just some variation - could be 10' ih or 10'6".
Number of different ends, 5/4, 5/5 in sqaure or W corner post, 4/3, 4/4. 4/3/1, ACF proprietary
Roofs, Murphy panel, diagonal panel
Side panels, riveted or welded, 5 or 6 panels
Doors, lots of options there
The PS-1 has its own proprietary ends and roof. The roof corrugations are kind of a bow-tie shape.
Sounds more complicated than it is. As you go through the recommended articles and become familiar with these components, it will become fairly easy to distinguish and choose the parts or model you need accordingly.
Tim VanMersbergen
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Post by cpr4200 on Sept 8, 2024 12:37:03 GMT -8
Most PS-1's are 10'-6" inside height but B&O, Lackawanna, New Haven, and maybe others had them with a 10'-0" IH. Most HO models are 10-6 cars, but the old Kurtz Kraft flat styrene kits were 10-0. They've been sold under other names which escape me at the moment. Can be found fairly easily. The smaller details aren't that great, but the sides, roof, and ends are OK. Thankfully the ladders and grabs are separate and easily replaced with better (Kadee) parts.
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Post by dti406 on Sept 8, 2024 13:24:30 GMT -8
Most PS-1's are 10'-6" inside height but B&O, Lackawanna, New Haven, and maybe others had them with a 10'-0" IH. Most HO models are 10-6 cars, but the old Kurtz Kraft flat styrene kits were 10-0. They've been sold under other names which escape me at the moment. Can be found fairly easily. The smaller details aren't that great, but the sides, roof, and ends are OK. Thankfully the ladders and grabs are separate and easily replaced with better (Kadee) parts. Thanks for this information, I have a few Kurtz Kraft kits I can use for the New Haven and B&O. Rick Jesionowski |
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Post by win70rob on Sept 9, 2024 18:02:36 GMT -8
So I did manage to find a builders photo of the car I want to model along with a few addition road numbers. I can see how the intermountain car is a little off for what I want to build. I’ve made the decision to wait for the rapido AAR 1937 cars. I’ve had nothing by bad experience buying rapido products but I do believe that since I will be painting and building these myself I “should be safe” to go ahead and use the Rapido boxcar for my build. I really appreciate all the helpful tips and the resources
Rob
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Post by cpr4200 on Sept 9, 2024 18:45:07 GMT -8
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Post by win70rob on Oct 4, 2024 11:17:19 GMT -8
So upon digging and looking into the prototype model I will use, I originally was set on using the Rapido AAR box for my build and then I found 3 undec Red Caboose AAR 1937 boxcars for the price of one rapido. There were 2 versions and the one I need for my build is the later version and luckily one of the 3 I picked up is correct. I did notice that intermountain actually made an RTR car I want to build and paint myself and noticed that they used the wrong version car. Thanks for the heads up on the Red Caboose models
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