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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 14:00:33 GMT -8
Next up in my continuing saga of modeling Chicago commuter service. Suggestions for the red and yellow of the Rock Island's Material Service Scheme. I've seen too many manufacturers get the Material Service yellow too bright, it is actually more subdued and creamy. Red got dirty in a hurry and lost its luster and darkened in many photos. Microscale has Rock Island set 18 with the slanted billboard lettering which is great for the hood units but will it work on an E9A? My inspiration..........  |
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Post by onequiknova on Nov 16, 2013 15:03:36 GMT -8
I can't be a huge help with the paint since I use Pollyscale, but I start with refer yellow and mix it to my liking. I haven't painted a red unit in along time, but SP Scarlett is what I remember being a close match.
The hood unit decals are what you need, though you may need to cut them apart and tighten up the spacing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 15:39:25 GMT -8
I can't be a huge help with the paint since I use Pollyscale, but I start with refer yellow and mix it to my liking. I haven't painted a red unit in along time, but SP Scarlett is what I remember being a close match. The hood unit decals are what you need, though you may need to cut them apart and tighten up the spacing. Just notice in the photo by the cab window that the red paint is worn off, from crew members leaning on the window frame. The yellow is the same as the nose and this being an ex-UP, would UP armor yellow be a good starting point? It is not as stark yellow as reefer yellow. |
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Post by Christian on Nov 17, 2013 2:30:54 GMT -8
Given that the handrails and grabs are yellow and very different from the body color, (In that photo above) I'd be inclined to start with a cream or sand and use the UP yellow as a mixer to add a bit more punch.
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Post by nightmare0331 on Nov 17, 2013 13:15:05 GMT -8
Here's a Broadway E8 I built up several years ago using the standard RI decals from Microscale for hood units.     Can't help on the colors...that tends to be subjective and depends on lighting, wear and tear, etc. Enjoy! Kelley. www.dufordmodelworks.com |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2013 13:47:38 GMT -8
Here's a Broadway E8 I built up several years ago using the standard RI decals from Microscale for hood units. Can't help on the colors...that tends to be subjective and depends on lighting, wear and tear, etc. Enjoy! Kelley. www.dufordmodelworks.comBeautiful model. The HEP on the rear is very well done. |
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Post by nightmare0331 on Nov 17, 2013 14:08:54 GMT -8
Thanks! I located some construction photos...this sort of shows how the HEP was done. Basically, that section was built out of highliners fan sections and plano roof walk material that was soldered together.    I always had plans on building the RI 652 up like this in bicentennial paint on a Broadway E8, but never got around to it. Maybe someday. Enjoy! Kelley. www.dufordmodelworks.com |
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Post by carrman on Nov 17, 2013 18:04:23 GMT -8
If anyone knows how to paint Rock red and yellow, it's Kelley.
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Post by rockisland652 on Nov 18, 2013 11:52:42 GMT -8
I can't be a huge help with the paint since I use Pollyscale, but I start with refer yellow and mix it to my liking. I haven't painted a red unit in along time, but SP Scarlett is what I remember being a close match. The hood unit decals are what you need, though you may need to cut them apart and tighten up the spacing. Just notice in the photo by the cab window that the red paint is worn off, from crew members leaning on the window frame. The yellow is the same as the nose and this being an ex-UP, would UP armor yellow be a good starting point? It is not as stark yellow as reefer yellow. It didn't take long, but #665 lost a good deal of that red and yellow paint. Apparently, #665 was put through the shop quickly, without a proper paint prep. It flaked off. She was also the only commuter unit to retain the UP snow shields. She looked completely ratty by 1975, whereas the other units 660-664 were simply filthy. |
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Post by dhs12001 on Nov 19, 2013 8:14:26 GMT -8
Jim
Another source of Speed Lettering decals is Mask Island Decals. The web-site lists 2 hood unit sets that might be used. I think the owner was a R.I. employee, so he may be able to tell you if either set is appropriate for E-units.
Dave Street
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Post by buffalobill on Nov 19, 2013 18:39:09 GMT -8
This was always my favorite Rock Island scheme. Kelley you did a fantastic job on the E units.
Bill
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Post by onequiknova on Nov 21, 2013 12:09:27 GMT -8
For what it's worth, Trucolor's website is showing Rock Island maroon, red and yellow coming out this coming spring. You may not want to wait that long, but I for one am excited to try them.
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Post by thunder on Jan 10, 2014 12:05:38 GMT -8
Been a Rock fan for years. Never heard of material service scheme before. Always just called it red and yellow. Love the work you guys are doing here.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 12:21:39 GMT -8
Been a Rock fan for years. Never heard of material service scheme before. Always just called it red and yellow. Love the work you guys are doing here. Henry Crown who was majority stockholder of the Rock Island was also the majority owner of Material Service, who's colors are EXACTLY like that of the Rock Island. My now late cousin and my Dad's best friend, both worked for the Rock Island and called it "Crown's colors" or "Material Service". |
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Post by thunder on Jan 10, 2014 16:00:10 GMT -8
Oh We knew Crown lol Now that makes perfect sense! I have heard from former Rock guys that the reason for the Blue and White was to get rid of the Crown R&Y. Lot of animosity there.
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Post by trebor on Jan 10, 2014 20:01:45 GMT -8
Henry Crown who was majority stockholder of the Rock Island was also the majority owner of Material Service, who's colors are EXACTLY like that of the Rock Island. Interesting- I never knew that. That was my favorite RI scheme. Can't understand why they went to the light blue and white. It's a fact of life that most employees find fault with anything the management comes up with. BTW the LHS mope says Proto RI commuter F's due in today. I got 2 C&NW's and will get at least 1 RI. At first the units were ignored by me as I was unaware that the HEP installation was being represented. Did Mask Island do lettering for the P.S. single level hi-capacity commuter cars?? Also somebody was doing a Capone car project, any updates on that very interesting project? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 20:14:40 GMT -8
John(onequiknova) has created an etching he's having done for his Capone cars.
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Post by onequiknova on Jan 10, 2014 20:24:17 GMT -8
I just sent off payment for a detail parts etch I designed that will include safety chains, vestibule gates and brake rigging parts. I hope to build a few more Capone cars as soon as I get some much needed house remodeling done. Got to keep momma happy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 20:25:50 GMT -8
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Post by rockisland652 on Jan 12, 2014 9:00:17 GMT -8
Been a Rock fan for years. Never heard of material service scheme before. Always just called it red and yellow. Love the work you guys are doing here. Henry Crown who was majority stockholder of the Rock Island was also the majority owner of Material Service, who's colors are EXACTLY like that of the Rock Island. My now late cousin and my Dad's best friend, both worked for the Rock Island and called it "Crown's colors" or "Material Service". Henry Crown is singled out as the villain in the demise of the Rock Island. Over many decades, he purchased stock and bonds of the company and encouraged others to do the same. Ultimately, Crown was one of the Rock Island's largest bond holders. He was vilified for advocating the Rock Island's liquidation. However, there was another, far more detrimental villain in the Rock Island's demise. Read Greg Schneider's book Rock Island Requiem. It tells a great, tragic story, and you will see why the Rock Island could not survive. It's on Amazon... |
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Post by lens on Jan 12, 2014 9:34:18 GMT -8
Henry Crown who was majority stockholder of the Rock Island was also the majority owner of Material Service, who's colors are EXACTLY like that of the Rock Island. Interesting- I never knew that. That was my favorite RI scheme. Can't understand why they went to the light blue and white. I understand the Blue and White scheme is called 'Bankruptcy Blue' for obvious reasons after Crown gave up the railroad and it tried to revive itself as 'The Rock' Len S |
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Post by rockisland652 on Jan 12, 2014 9:44:22 GMT -8
Interesting- I never knew that. That was my favorite RI scheme. Can't understand why they went to the light blue and white. I understand the Blue and White scheme is called 'Bankruptcy Blue' for obvious reasons after Crown gave up the railroad and it tried to revive itself as 'The Rock' Len S You guys have to read the Greg Schneider book. The story is more complicated than popular accounts reveal. Folks want to focus on the human tragedy, the loss of jobs, the strike, et al. While those stories are compelling, the back story is every bit as important. It took much more than a strike to bring the RI down. A series of unfortunate events and business decisions beginning much earlier than I had earlier thought. Lots of face palming while you read it, though the choices made looked perfectly legitimate at the time. After reading the book, I strongly believe that the real Rock Island was never blue. What came next after the declaration of bankruptcy was not really the Rock Island. Not any more. Of course, that they didn't stand a chance is a matter of history. The story of how they got there was illuminating. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 9:59:56 GMT -8
I saw it written once that the Rock Island went everywhere everybody else went, only they took the longest route.
During my cousins employment with the Rock Island from the 1950's to shutdown, he endured numerous layoffs and recalls.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 14:31:02 GMT -8
Union Pacific and the Rock Island worked out a merger agreement in I believe 1960. It took the ICC something like ten years, to approve the merger.
In 1960 the Rock Island was still "a mighty fine line". But in the following decade the cumulative years of deferred or lack of maintenance turned the Rock Island into one giant decaying carcass. As one Rock Island employee put it, you expected to derail at least once a day. Rock Island crews used to also say, you'd leave Blue Island with six working units and hoped that you still had three working by the time you got to the Quad Cities. It was a good thing the main shops at Silvis are in Quad Cities area!
So when the ICC FINALLY approved the merger, the UP said "thanks but no thanks" and backed out. Do you blame them? An example would be you make an offer to buy a one year old used car that is in great shape with 12,000 miles. But you then have to what 10 years before being able to officially buy that car which by then has rust holes, cracked windshield, 300,000 miles and drinks a quart of oil a day.
Had the UP merger been approved UP may never had swallowed up Chicago & Northwestern or maybe even Missouri Pacific for they would have had their gateway into Chicago.
The Rock Island is a railroad of "what ifs". Some would say the road was snake bit, for if there was either a good or bad outcome, Rock Island surely would have the bad outcome.
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Post by rockisland652 on Jan 12, 2014 17:37:43 GMT -8
Had the UP merger been approved UP may never had swallowed up Chicago & Northwestern or maybe even Missouri Pacific for they would have had their gateway into Chicago. The Rock Island is a railroad of "what ifs". Some would say the road was snake bit, for if there was either a good or bad outcome, Rock Island surely would have the bad outcome. You get partial credit. There was so much more to the story. The true villain in the story is surprising, mainly in how successful he was. Professor Schneider has the complete story, probably as complete as can be had. It's a heck of a story too. You all know the ending, go read how they got there. |
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Post by rockisland652 on Jan 12, 2014 18:48:22 GMT -8
Actually...I'd like to see the next chapter in your E9 adventure...
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