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Post by atsfan on Jan 29, 2014 18:44:47 GMT -8
Maybe I have been under a rock.
Has Athearn previously done an SD70 Standard Cab?
I see they are now doing them for CN.
I know NS also had them.
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Post by Spikre on Jan 29, 2014 18:54:57 GMT -8
 think it was about 10 or 12 years ago they were done. they also did IC and CR. the CRs went to NS,which may have switched to Wide Cabs by then ? and became the only NS SD70s with the Sparten cabs? Spikre 
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Post by curtmc on Jan 29, 2014 19:18:41 GMT -8
Yes, Athearn did standard cab SD70 in Genesis line, announced in 2001 and delivered in 2002. NS, Conrail and IC all in 2 numbers each plus unnumbered. MSRP was (steep at the time) $139.98. The CN SD70s just announced are ex-IC and sublettered for IC.
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Post by atsfan on Jan 29, 2014 19:34:09 GMT -8
Thanks.
I always liked the look of the NS version.
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Post by arandall70 on Jan 29, 2014 23:08:20 GMT -8
The revised SD70 was a nice surprise to supplement the SD70M this past week. The door is also open for a new run of NS 2581-2590 non-flared SD70Ms.
NS, Conrail, and IC were the original buyers of the SD70s, with the Conrail units being number in series with the NS units. All of them went to NS in the acquisition, and CSX took home the SD70MACs. The CN is a new paint scheme for Athearn and the prototype SD70s. The NS horsehead paint has also never been done by Athearn.
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Post by iccn1000 on Jan 30, 2014 6:06:14 GMT -8
This is going to be great for any of the SD-70 variants. Im looking forward to the retooled IC SD70s, as well as "new" SD75Is in CN. I wonder if they will re-release the SD70I in CN correctly? Should be awesome regardless. Rob Gruber www.dcctrain.com |
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Post by curtmc on Jan 30, 2014 19:18:00 GMT -8
I'm not so sure I'd bet on that, as the first run apparently didn't sell too well... Years after they were released I saw many still in stock at dealers - and it was the first Genesis unit I saw selling at 60% off.
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Post by NS4122 on Jan 31, 2014 7:37:45 GMT -8
With the revised tooling and addition of sound, I would bet on seeing them eventually. The first run couldn't of sold that poorly since it was followed by a second run. Also, the first run came as kits, which may not have sold quite as well as the fully assembled models. I'm not so sure I'd bet on that, as the first run apparently didn't sell too well... Years after they were released I saw many still in stock at dealers - and it was the first Genesis unit I saw selling at 60% off. |
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Post by thebessemerkid on Jan 31, 2014 8:05:57 GMT -8
I have a pair of undec CR/NS sd70's awaiting a coat of lovely Penn Central black. :-)
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Post by peoriaman on Jan 31, 2014 8:13:12 GMT -8
With the revised tooling and addition of sound, I would bet on seeing them eventually. The first run couldn't of sold that poorly since it was followed by a second run. Also, the first run came as kits, which may not have sold quite as well as the fully assembled models. The standard cabs were available as kits? I know the first widecabs came that way, but I do not remember the standards as kits. |
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Post by NS4122 on Jan 31, 2014 8:23:36 GMT -8
No...If you look back, you'll notice I was responding to Curt's comments about NS SD70Ms. With the revised tooling and addition of sound, I would bet on seeing them eventually. The first run couldn't of sold that poorly since it was followed by a second run. Also, the first run came as kits, which may not have sold quite as well as the fully assembled models. The standard cabs were available as kits? I know the first widecabs came that way, but I do not remember the standards as kits. |
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Post by trebor on Jan 31, 2014 8:34:53 GMT -8
I only have 1 CR from the past releases of SD70 std cabs. At the time CR was only a "nuisance run through" interest for me. Now my interests have shifted east in the last 20 years and UP is the evil nuisance run through. I will get at least 1 more SD70 in CR if offered, perhaps 2 since they were often seen as trios on coal trains. To bad the noble blue rail snails were defaced with the nasty NS JACKASS, horse.    The SD70 first releases often had truck level problems which needed a fair amount of time piddling on a sheet of glass. Bring on the CR SD70's 40-2 FLEXICOILS GP40's. bah blah blah…... |
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Post by nebrzephyr on Feb 1, 2014 8:00:10 GMT -8
Speaking on the SD70M "kit". Yep, it was a "labor of love" to build these. Bob  |
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Post by trebor on Feb 1, 2014 12:17:40 GMT -8
Speaking on the SD70M "kit". Yep, it was a "labor of love" to build these. Bob View AttachmentWell it turned out VERY nice, congrats! |
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Post by atsfan on Feb 1, 2014 13:36:07 GMT -8
I did not ever see Standard Cabs as kits. Only the first Wide Cabs when Irv was still around and Athearn was not sold.
I still see them in BNSF at train shows. They were not easy to finish.
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Post by curtmc on Feb 1, 2014 16:58:03 GMT -8
On the standard cab SD70s you still had to put the handrails and some other details on... just like the early SD70Ms.
The NS M units that came fully assembled (what I think CSXT is calling the second run) were the NS ex-CR SD60M units that were fully RTR.
- Curt Mc
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Post by atsfan on Feb 1, 2014 17:18:28 GMT -8
On the standard cab SD70s you still had to put the handrails and some other details on... just like the early SD70Ms. The NS M units that came fully assembled (what I think CSXT is calling the second run) were the NS ex-CR SD60M units that were fully RTR. - Curt Mc Thanks I always appreciate your knowledge on these things. |
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Post by NS4122 on Feb 1, 2014 18:43:31 GMT -8
No, there were 2 runs of NS SD70Ms. From the Athearn website: 1st run announced in April 2001, $114.98: ATHG6156 - HO SD70M, NS #1, 2581 ATHG6157 - HO SD70M, NS #2 Can't Remember, number not given ATHG6158 - HO SD70M, NS No# 2nd run announced in December 2003, $139.98: ATHG6189 - HO SD70M, NS #2584 ATHG6190 - HO SD70M, NS #2588 ATHG6191 - HO SD70M, NS #2590 On the standard cab SD70s you still had to put the handrails and some other details on... just like the early SD70Ms. The NS M units that came fully assembled (what I think CSXT is calling the second run) were the NS ex-CR SD60M units that were fully RTR. - Curt Mc |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2014 19:42:20 GMT -8
To bad the noble blue rail snails were defaced with the nasty NS JACKASS, horse. I don't know if NS units ever get to east Los Angeles on the Union Pacific. At that facility, I'd expect some tagger to make the NS stallion anatomically correct.  |
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Post by nightmare0331 on Feb 2, 2014 13:04:37 GMT -8
the standard cab SD70's were the first series model to come fully assembled with the exception of the undecorateds....all of the handrails and grabs were applied. They did not have MU hoses or cut bars and came with a really ugly plow. With the exception of the undec standard cab SD70's, I don't think the IC, NS and CR units sold poorly per se...I think that they were just so overproduced that there was a glut on the market for a long loooong time. Now the undec standard cab SD70's...I bought gobs of them for 30-35 apiece at one point when I was painting at teh cyclic rate. I have a couple of them still squirreled away for someday fodder if the urge to build something ever strikes. Enjoy! Kelley. www.dufordmodelworks.com |
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Post by curtmc on Feb 2, 2014 13:38:48 GMT -8
No, the undec standard cab SD70s sold well in NS and CR. And yes, looking back them did have the handrails on them from the factory. I did see IC ones after months at huge discounts. The one IC one I bought was $60. The NS and CR I bought were $85.
As for the NS SD70Ms #2581 and #2586 I saw them both new at $50 each at dealers who had to mark them down that much to sell them. I must have mistaken the second run for first run units (which were still available).
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Post by rockisland652 on Feb 10, 2014 23:07:34 GMT -8
All this talk of SD70's has got me all nostalgic. My layout was supposed to be a modern era Rock island, then I attended a Naperville RPM meet and 2004 became 1974 in short order. Ah...what might have been...if only the Rock Island lived... Here Metra F40PH #181 approaches the diamonds at Joliet, meeting a slow rolling extra #5012 east dragging Schneider National trailers at the crossing...  Bouncing on the diamonds...  The crew on #5012 have shut off the headlights as the two trains pass...  Actually, the Athearn SD70 and SD70M were the end of an era. They were the last locomotive delivered by Athearn that had absolutely no provision for sound whatsoever. The locomotives were quite serviceable and could be made into some fairly nice pieces. The reason so many were sitting around was the no-sound factor. Now, Athearn will finally address this. The F40 is another matter. Mine has a Loksound 3.5 in it and I positively hate it. It constantly restarts itself and the prime mover and horn sounds are obnoxious. Someday, when I have nothing else to do, maybe she will get a Tsunami V3.0 or whatever the best sound out there might be. This still begs the question for all you Kato Metra F40 and now TrueLine Trains Metra MP36SS owners: What are you going to haul with these lovely engines? No one makes a Metra Budd car or, worse, a Metra MK/Amerail/Sumitomo bilevel car. |
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Post by Spikre on Feb 12, 2014 14:11:33 GMT -8
Tom, nice Time warp shots !! Curt, NS is NOT overly popular in Central Virginia. neither is C&O,RF&P,SAL,ACL,Southern,Chessie,CSX, and roads that made up Todays Mega roads. N&W is still #-1 with a Bullet,and that doesn't look like it will change any time soon. Spikre 
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Post by atsfan on Feb 12, 2014 15:56:44 GMT -8
Tom, nice Time warp shots !! Curt, NS is NOT overly popular in Central Virginia. neither is C&O,RF&P,SAL,ACL,Southern,Chessie,CSX, and roads that made up Todays Mega roads. N&W is still #-1 with a Bullet,and that doesn't look like it will change any time soon. Spikre RF and P is not popular in R? |
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Post by Spikre on Feb 12, 2014 17:48:18 GMT -8
 Atsfan, no scientific research has been done on Popularity, just personal observations. RF&P is more popular than C&O,Southern,NS,VGN,but still maybe only about 20% as popular as N&W. CSX took them over before they got into 90s power like BW40-8s, GP60Ws,etc. so the most modern power was 70s GP40-2s,"Rust Buckets" to some. but RF&P was a Class Act until CSX dried them up on purpose to get the Stock holders to sell out. maybe More RF&P Locos would improve their popularity ? also seems that C&O Super Power Steam is more popular than C&O Diesels or Chessie. Spikre 
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Post by curtmc on Feb 13, 2014 18:54:23 GMT -8
1. RI, the first run of Athearn NS SD70Ms were sitting around because they were not a common unit. NS only had 10 early SD70Ms, and most NS modelers I know avoided them - getting the conventional cab SD70s instead. It had nothing to do with sound (and BTW non-sound units still outsell sound ones).
2. Spikre, once again you have posted a lot of absolutely incorrect stuff here... N&W isn't even the best selling RR in Roanoke anymore (NS is). (Although N&W might still be the most popular in over-60 senile groups - when they can remember them or have flashbacks to the 50s or 60s) And how did CSX run RF&P into the ground to get "the shareholders" to sell??? You probably can't even tell the group now who the biggest RF&P shareholder was (without doing research to find out) (BTW, it was pretty well known at the time why they sold the RR to CSX and kept certain assets). RF&P had become so much of a bridge line - and a quite efficient one - that CSX was sending them MORE traffic than ever in the years before CSX acquired them. And CSX had even provided RF&P with additional units after RF&P backed out of a new locomotive purchase (EMD 50 series units) in the mid-1980s due to seeing issues other RRs were having with those units.
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Post by atsfan on Feb 13, 2014 19:17:11 GMT -8
People need to realize that time is marching on and old railroads are not as popular as they were.
PRR has been gone for 2 generations of people. N and W is also long gone. Even ATSF has been gone since 1996.
To remember the PRR in any sort of good position you have to be 60 years old or older. ( The 1960's were not PRR in any sort of good shape unless you count tearing down Penn Station, No Logo Diesels, a 7 year merger fight that made no sense, holding off CTC and other improvements, and a Company that made no secret it was diversifying away from Railroads).
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Post by Spikre on Feb 14, 2014 10:36:38 GMT -8
Curt, when have You spent any serious time in the Richmond area? and Lynchburg was the same thing,N&W was the main road. while at shows maybe the Latest models are run,at home everyone wants a Plastic Jawn Henry. and most are modelers born before 1970 in this area. as for the RF&P back story,have been in conversations with W.Griffen about the CSX take over. getting the City of Richmond to sell their stock meant keeping Acca Yard empty for quite awhile. it filled up fast after the merger went thru. Richmond used the money for more of their boondoggles like the 6th St Market Place,or the Main St Station Farmers Market and Mall Concourse. note- 6th Street was torn down a couple of years back. Richmond wants to tear down the Diamond by I-64 and I-95 and build a new Stadium in Shockhoe Bottom. CSX owns most of the Land [or its Subsidiries own the area],so this is still a Black Hole Boondoggle in process. Spikre 
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Post by curtmc on Feb 14, 2014 19:14:44 GMT -8
WRONG Spikre! It wasn't the City of Richmond!!! You are way off on that guess...
(BTW, I used to work in Richmond and helped set up their traffic control center, and used to frequent the hobby shops there when the good ones were still around)
Why do you keep speaking as if you know something when in actuality you don't???
I'll post the answer about Monday so that gives you a few more days for several more incorrect guesses...
PS. BTW, if you actually knew the William E. "Bill" Griffin (not Griffen), Jr. - author of many books on RF&P, SCL..., last personnel director RF&P, and a very nice guy that I have spoken to several times - then you might know how his name is spelled. (I once posted a very funny story about a guy trying to make a sale to him at Timonium on the old Atlas forum)
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Post by curtmc on Feb 14, 2014 19:34:38 GMT -8
LOL...
Quoted before you backtracked...
Why do you post such inane, incorrect ramblings? They don't improve your reputation when they are shown to be wrong.
Acca Yard is not in City of Richmond... It is actually entirely in Henrico County. The city/county line is on the east side and to the south of the yard. So Richmond had nothing to do with it, and before you guess Henrico County, they weren't a shareholder either. And the big property holdings were at the other end of the railroad.
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