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Post by tankcarsrule on Apr 6, 2014 5:30:08 GMT -8
Even more tank car photos. Cast ends and scratched trucks.    |
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Post by atsfan on Apr 6, 2014 5:33:04 GMT -8
Is that a kit? Looks interesting. |
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Post by tankcarsrule on Apr 6, 2014 5:40:02 GMT -8
Is that a kit? Looks interesting. No, it's all scratch built. I made the masters and molds for the trucks and ends and cast them in resin. Regards, Bobby |
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Post by dti406 on Apr 6, 2014 5:49:06 GMT -8
Bobby those are awesome, I just try to find the closest available parts for some of the cars I do. I have not finished any cars this week, but a picture a couple of weeks ago with the ribbed side car, makes me want to show the ones I have done.  Ribbed Side Car Kit, painted with Scalecoat II Boxcar Red and lettered in the original paint scheme using decals that were supplied with the kit.  Another Ribbed side car kit from an earlier phase, painted with Scalecoat II Boxcar Red and lettered in the modernized scheme of the late 50's with kit supplied decals.  And my favorite, the WP puchased a few cars from the Milwaukee Road for use in the Amana Appliance Pool, Amana, IA. The WP Installed Spartan EZ Loader Load Restraining Devices and enlarged the door opening from 6' to 10', my model includes the new 10' YSD and elongated door tracks. Car was painted with Scalecoat II Boxcar Red and lettered with Detail Associates Decals, that had the data for this car. Thanks for looking! Rick J |
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Post by mlehman on Apr 6, 2014 6:37:29 GMT -8
Bobby, Those trucks are to die for! Rick, Another plate of ribs suits me.  Been a very busy week, so will hit the highlights. Red Mountain was finally fully lit.   After sun-up, you can see where I have the road roughed in and foundations basically set.  For the (declassified part of the) full story on the next one, check out 5 Perspectives: atlasrescueforum.proboards.com/thread/2029/5-perspectives?page=1 And the big coal mine at Hesperus was also lit, as seen in this rather arty shot.  |
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Post by TBird1958 on Apr 6, 2014 7:13:54 GMT -8
Beautiful work as always guys!
Bobby, your work is amazing, thank you for sharing it with us.
Rick, great looking cars - I really like that WP box, and Mike, I love your layout, you're always having fun!
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Post by mrsocal on Apr 6, 2014 8:05:27 GMT -8
Dito, I echo Tbird all great stuff. Bobby those trucks are just off the hook. Are they fixed or do they articulate? Rick, nice boxes. Are you planning to weather them? Mike what can I say man... always a pleasure looking at your layout. I always seam to spot something that I did not see last time in the same pic. Hummm, have you thought about putting a red flashing belly light on that Electra?? My pic for today is this CB&Q I have been working on. I am pretty happy with this side and will start the other side next weekend. The herald plaques will go on last.  Proto:  |
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Post by TBird1958 on Apr 6, 2014 8:59:46 GMT -8
That's looking great Scotty! I forgot to post a couple, it was a bit late in the day for pics, the Sun got around the sky a bit, so, such are the perils of outdoor model photography. A Details West car  One of those $1.99 Life Like cars, this one started life as a Vlasic Pickles car.  And another Details West car that's had a little post merger BN green shop work done.  |
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Post by dti406 on Apr 6, 2014 9:24:30 GMT -8
Sootty, I do not weather my cars, I was taught by a custom painter who abhorred weathering so I guess I keep up his ideals, but your car looks great!
T-Bird, like your cars especially the backwards B&O from the one I did a few weeks ago. Does your X72 have a galvanized roof as the prototype, On the two I have done so far I screwed up and let the PC Green overspray go onto the roof, I later learned that Evans was more fastidious than some of the other builders and masked the roof so there was no overspray.
Rick J
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Post by mlehman on Apr 6, 2014 9:47:53 GMT -8
Scotty and TBird, Fantastic work there. Gotta love how weathering helps make even the cheap cars look great and worth having on the layout. SNIP Mike what can I say man... always a pleasure looking at your layout. I always seam to spot something that I did not see last time in the same pic. Hummm, have you thought about putting a red flashing belly light on that Electra?? Scotty, I actually have thought of that. If I can only find some very thin, two-conductor wire  But I think the solution could be something like the Rapido Easy-Peasy car lighting, with an onboard battery you can switch on with a wand. I suspect this will be a very backburner project, though. Getting planes lit will be a whole order of difficulty above lighting trains. I suspect if I do one, best to start with the kit and build it in in order to get all the wiring concealed and the lights properly placed. |
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Post by tankcarsrule on Apr 6, 2014 9:57:35 GMT -8
Thanks guys. The trucks are fixed, but the ones from UTI work like a charm.
Regards, Bobby
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Post by TBird1958 on Apr 6, 2014 10:24:24 GMT -8
Sootty, I do not weather my cars, I was taught by a custom painter who abhorred weathering so I guess I keep up his ideals, but your car looks great! T-Bird, like your cars especially the backwards B&O from the one I did a few weeks ago. Does your X72 have a galvanized roof as the prototype, On the two I have done so far I screwed up and let the PC Green overspray go onto the roof, I later learned that Evans was more fastidious than some of the other builders and masked the roof so there was no overspray. Rick J Hey Rick, I had no idea that Evans actually masked their roofs, oddly, I did mask this car when I built it - however the roof is even more rusty than the car's sides so it's hard to tell. |
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Post by markfj on Apr 7, 2014 9:23:38 GMT -8
Neat stuff everybody! I’ve been working on my first Branchline 10-1-2 Pullman kit and find it a bit challenging. These shots show how I had to add a styrene plate to the bolster, which was deformed from the factory molding process. It had a concave slope in it that you can just make out in the one photo. At first, I thought this was no big deal, but a quick test fit of one of the trucks revealed that the deformation prevented smooth truck swivel that might cause derailments.   Also, I found a clearer drawing for the underbody equipment layout than the one provided in the instructions at The Pullman Project. Hopefully, I’ll have this finished by next weekend. |
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Post by dti406 on Apr 7, 2014 9:32:13 GMT -8
Sootty, I do not weather my cars, I was taught by a custom painter who abhorred weathering so I guess I keep up his ideals, but your car looks great! T-Bird, like your cars especially the backwards B&O from the one I did a few weeks ago. Does your X72 have a galvanized roof as the prototype, On the two I have done so far I screwed up and let the PC Green overspray go onto the roof, I later learned that Evans was more fastidious than some of the other builders and masked the roof so there was no overspray. Rick J Hey Rick, I had no idea that Evans actually masked their roofs, oddly, I did mask this car when I built it - however the roof is even more rusty than the car's sides so it's hard to tell. T-Bird, Jim Six has a lot to answer for, he super weathered PC Cars, when in effect since they were all repainted or brand new before Conrail, they should not be overly weathered and should be in an almost new condition, they never had the time to get a crappy as most weather the cars. Rick J |
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Post by TBird1958 on Apr 7, 2014 15:27:10 GMT -8
Rick, I probably got a bit heavy handed with that X-72, it's clean by Rio Grande standards  |
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Post by riogrande on Apr 8, 2014 8:15:13 GMT -8
Rick, I probably got a bit heavy handed with that X-72, it's clean by Rio Grande standards Rio Grande before SP or after. After looking at the many photo's in my library of Rio Grande books, I'd hazard that the nick name "Real Grime" was earned after SP influence took over after the 1988 merger, purchase of SP/SSW by Anschutz. I guess the SP management took over and said "we don't need no steenkeeng was racks! Diesels before 1988 got dirty but they did get washed periodically too it seems. I suppose maintenance of way EQ not as much. |
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Post by TBird1958 on Apr 8, 2014 9:52:24 GMT -8
Jim I don't know the timeframe on that nick name (I never liked it) but the SP didn't have anything to do with RG equipment getting filthy, the only wash rack on the system at Burham was notoriously ineffective about cleaning anything other than the flat sides of the equipment that passed thru it. Check most latter day F unit shots and you can easily see that the noses didn't get washed. Unless involved in a wreck most 2nd generation locomotives worked their entire careers in as delivered paint ( except SD-45's), management was frugal! All the F's that got repainted suffered the silver paint falling off after a few years, exposing the red primer underneath - even the RGZ's power. The silver paints inability to adhere was also evident on repaint cabooses and most '60s era freight cars - that, along with management frugality is what likely led to the solid orange used for latter repaints and new deliveries. Peeling silver......  |
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Post by buffalobill on Apr 8, 2014 10:06:19 GMT -8
Bird, nice job on the 3 Details West Cars, especially like the Rio Grande car; and converting the Throw away LL car into something worth keeping. It amazes me that Walthers is still dumping those out on the market with out any upgrading of the tooling. Don't apologize for the weathering, some of them lasted until the late 80's with the original green, with the PC marks.
Bobby, those trucks are a work of art.
Bill
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Post by tankcarsrule on Apr 8, 2014 10:47:44 GMT -8
Thank you Bill.
Regards, Bobby
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Post by riogrande on Apr 9, 2014 3:56:54 GMT -8
I have quite a few color books showing F units and have noticed some of them with dirtier noses than sides in a few shots, yes. I've always taken it for granted the D&RGW power got dirty and sooty, especially from the tunnel districts, but in general most of the photo's show only moderately dirty diesels during the 70's and mid-80's. Few photo's show cinder block looking diesels during that time frame - I think the real neglect began after the SP take over. I've always read the D&RGW management were frugal yes, but they did seem to take some pride in the RR image so efforts were made to clean diesels periodically.
The weathering jobs you show here look great - it seems at train shows and other places, people take great pride in seeing if they can out weather the next guy and certainly there are plenty of examples of severely weather freight cars to copy - but it seems less popular to weather freight cars subtley to moderately - yours always look very realistic to me and an inspiration.
Interesting you bring up the silver paint thing. Unfortunately in all the books I have, the photo's don't really show the peeling silver paint you've demonstrated. That's the advantage you may have in seeing things up close and personal vs. just seeing photo's in books that aren't close up enough to see the peeling paint, in most cases. I'll have to go back through my books with the magnifier and see if I can notice it now.
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Post by markfj on Apr 9, 2014 4:38:03 GMT -8
I have Details West’s Wisconsin Central 52’ double-plug door boxcar and want to upgrade it with metal wheel sets. Did these cars come with 33” or 36” wheels?
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Post by dti406 on Apr 9, 2014 4:44:35 GMT -8
33" Wheels as the car was rated for 77 Tons
Rick J
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Post by TBird1958 on Apr 9, 2014 6:15:26 GMT -8
Jim,
There's quite a few shots of 5771 in Vol.5 that span the '70s, towards the back of the book - you can easily see the mineral red primer showing thru the silver in shots from '77 on. Vol. 4, pp 89-91 have some great shots of really filthy F's in both single and four stripe. Also, Vol.4 pp 98-104 have some great shots from Emery Gulash of some very heavily weathered F's.
I've been working away on my Genesis units, will have some to share on the Sunday photo thread very soon!
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Post by riogrande on Apr 9, 2014 9:49:49 GMT -8
Awesome. I have Rio Grande in Color Vols 1-3, & 5 among other books including Never on Wednesday, Zephyrs thru the Rockies (Edmundson & Goodhart), Rio Grande Color Guide (Jim Eager), Rio Grande, A Last Look Back (Ron C Hill - CRRM 24), Rio Grande Secret Places, Utah (RC Farewell), Rio Grande: Ruler of the Rockies (RC Farewell), Rio Grande Twilight (Wesley Fox), Rio Grande Trackside with Jim Ozment, Rio Grande West: A Contemporary Glimpse (Ron C Hill), Denver & Rio Grande Western (Ron C Hill). I'll have to drag out Vol 5 and look some more!
Since my main interest is 1970-1990, I haven't picked up vol 4 yet although it looks great and dare I tempt my self to back date further? I do have the Jan 1966 retired F3's, some Stewart 4-stripe F7's and some Chinese Red C&BQ GP35's which offer 1965 running but I've sworn to go no further back in time! One of my favorite books is Vol 2: Utah by James Sandrin, lots of 70's and 80's photo's with some 60's too. Still want to get Crest of the Continent but have to save up as it's the most expensive D&RGW book out there.
Looking forward to your Genesis units - I have all of the single stripe F9's and a set of single stripe F3's but only one F7 (#5764) which pulled the CZ along with sister #5761.
It's interesting that some of Emery Gulash's photo's in Vol 5 duplicate a few scenes in the Green Frog Rio Grande Odysey DVD - man if that were in HD it would be screaming awesome. Even with the 16 mm film transferred to DVD and up-scaled on my 46-inch Samsung HDTV, I've been able to freeframe and gather a lot of great freight car data for the 1970's including Vert-a-pacs, Evergreen PC&F
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Post by TBird1958 on Apr 9, 2014 10:10:14 GMT -8
Jim, Vol. 4 and "Crest of the Continent" are awesome, some great pics there! I presently have 9 F's, 3 for the RGZ, the rest are in the freight pool - I have two A's left to finish a four stripe and a single stripe, the four stripe needs a fair bit of parts and paint to be proper - Weather permitting I'll have some shots for Sunday |
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Post by riogrande on Apr 10, 2014 3:28:51 GMT -8
I have never found a copy of Crest of the Continent that I could crack open and preview - always ALWAY sealed. But based on the author and what I've read, it's a good risk for the high price $75-80 which so far I haven't been able to mentally overcome. My wife even keeps an eye out for it when we go to train shows but so far again, I use my limited budget for other things - some day though. Now that I've got a layout in-progress, thats another source eating up funds although it's been a modest cost so far (only 10x18 around the wall and I already have most of the track I need - a major cost savings).
I've got enough RGZ photo's in my other books to last a life time - that train was photographed to the nth degree, but what I can never get enough of is good freight train consist photo's, especially where I can get a good look at freight cars in consists, for purposes of identifying appropriate freight cars to help model those trains. Over the past 20 years I have gotten a decent handle on that but still always looking for more! The Rio Grande Odyssey DVD's were awesome for 70's and the runby's hold the train longer than some after the diesels go by so I can get more of a glimpse. My Denver and Rio Grande Western Pentrex video is awful that way, quickly after the last diesel goes by the scene cuts away so you barely get a look at any freight cars - I hate that!!! I still need to beef up my DVD collection I admit. I only have a couple of video's - RG Odyssey and D&RGW Pentrex.
Anyway, always a pleasure to see your work!
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Post by TBird1958 on Apr 10, 2014 14:07:45 GMT -8
Jim,
"Crest of the Continent is well worth the price, it's all Colorado pics from the mid '60 up to the merger,
tho most are from the '70s. There's some great stuff...i.e. an SD40T-2 running as a helper long hood first! Also "Scenic Line of the World" by Dale Sanders is good, tho Dale is a bit more of an "art" photographer rather than simply getting in for a detail shot.
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Post by riogrande on Apr 10, 2014 15:07:04 GMT -8
I'll keep a look out for a "good price" on Crest. I forget to say I do have Dale Sanders Scenic Line book since the late 90's. Good book also.
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