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Post by icrr3067 on Sept 10, 2014 14:53:55 GMT -8
This is more of just a little rant, and I've been holding it in for a while now and I want to get it off my chest. When I was in cleavland for the NMRA show, I stopped by the Broadway Limited booth and showed them my work that I did to their Zepher dinner and made it into a modern day dinner. The gentleman that I show it to was the same guy that's in all of their videos, and the videos that people make. So I show him and he's like "that's nice" and walks away. Didn't even care!! I don't know if its just me but I just spent $50 on one of your cars and worked on it for 6 months and made a complety different model. I guess my my question is, Should I let it bother me? After that commet/how I was treated I really lost intrest in finishing my Amtrak train. It seems like, all they(Broadway)cares about is video time. Thoughts?
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Post by riogrande on Sept 10, 2014 15:03:41 GMT -8
It just goes to show you, just because someone is a business man doesn't mean they are good at customer relations - yet cust relations is definitely part of the business. Sadly courtesy seems to be a dying people skill that is not being passed on to the next generation like it should.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 15:21:22 GMT -8
This is more of just a little rant, and I've been holding it in for a while now and I want to get it off my chest. When I was in cleavland for the NMRA show, I stopped by the Broadway Limited booth and showed them my work that I did to their Zepher dinner and made it into a modern day dinner. The gentleman that I show it to was the same guy that's in all of their videos, and the videos that people make. So I show him and he's like "that's nice" and walks away. Didn't even care!! I don't know if its just me but I just spent $50 on one of your cars and worked on it for 6 months and made a complety different model. I guess my my question is, Should I let it bother me? After that commet/how I was treated I really lost intrest in finishing my Amtrak train. It seems like, all they(Broadway)cares about is video time. Thoughts? In 2002 at the hobby trade show in Rosemont, Illinois my friend an owner of a real bricks and mortar hobby shop in the Chicago area and myself made the circuit. We were there on a Friday afternoon which is only open to those in the trade. These means not a lot people are in attendance. At the time I was building my massive Great Northern layout and the mission was two fold. To see if I could get a little better pricing on some things and if interest was sufficient to chronicle the build for publication. The ONLY representative of ANY manufacturer or publisher that even listened for more than one second was Rob Pisani of Atlas.
I walked away from that experience feeling that unless you are somehow connected to the industry, or know someone, nobody gives a hoot about what you are doing or how much money you are spending. It is disappointing in that you've spent a lot of time doing the work, spent money and are basically giving the yahoos free advertising. Yet, they can't give you the time of day. That is when I realized that unless these manufacturers or publishers find YOU, they are not interested. That used to be the knock on Model Railroader. People would submit really good articles, but the stuff being published was mostly by a select few, which much of the time wasn't that interesting or breaking any new ground. |
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Post by icrr3067 on Sept 10, 2014 15:38:34 GMT -8
That is when I realized that unless these manufacturers or publishers find YOU, they are not interested. That used to be the knock on Model Railroader. People would submit really good articles, but the stuff being published was mostly by a select few, which much of the time wasn't that interesting or breaking any new ground. You know it's funny that you say that b/c when I was at one of the RPM's I was talking to one of the editors, Not going to name names here. But I ask him if he was intrested in one of the builds I was going to do and I got a big fat NO! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 16:02:41 GMT -8
That is when I realized that unless these manufacturers or publishers find YOU, they are not interested. That used to be the knock on Model Railroader. People would submit really good articles, but the stuff being published was mostly by a select few, which much of the time wasn't that interesting or breaking any new ground. You know it's funny that you say that b/c when I was at one of the RPM's I was talking to one of the editors, Not going to name names here. But I ask him if he was intrested in one of the builds I was going to do and I got a big fat NO! When I was at the trade show I spoke to the editor of a magazine located in Milwaukee area(not going to name names  ) about my prototype GN layout. Seeing this magazine was committing considerable pages and ink to a prototype layout about the NKP, my friend and I figured there would be interest. I guess we(my friend and I) were dead wrong! |
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Post by peoriaman on Sept 10, 2014 16:29:18 GMT -8
I guess my my question is, Should I let it bother me? After that commet/how I was treated I really lost intrest in finishing my Amtrak train. By all means, finish the train! Who cares what The Man thinks. You know that old car I bring to the Cruise Nights? Half the enjoyment of bringing it is because it bugs so many people because its "different". If I cared what the rest of the world thought I'd own a Mustang or Camaro just like theirs. |
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Post by atsfan on Sept 10, 2014 16:43:53 GMT -8
Build it for yourself.
You need to get personal satisfaction from the hobby.
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Post by tdspeedracer on Sept 10, 2014 17:03:44 GMT -8
This is more of just a little rant, and I've been holding it in for a while now and I want to get it off my chest. When I was in cleavland for the NMRA show, I stopped by the Broadway Limited booth and showed them my work that I did to their Zepher dinner and made it into a modern day dinner. The gentleman that I show it to was the same guy that's in all of their videos, and the videos that people make. So I show him and he's like "that's nice" and walks away. Didn't even care!! I don't know if its just me but I just spent $50 on one of your cars and worked on it for 6 months and made a complety different model. I guess my my question is, Should I let it bother me? After that commet/how I was treated I really lost intrest in finishing my Amtrak train. It seems like, all they(Broadway)cares about is video time. Thoughts? In 2002 at the hobby trade show in Rosemont, Illinois my friend an owner of a real bricks and mortar hobby shop in the Chicago area and myself made the circuit. We were there on a Friday afternoon which is only open to those in the trade. These means not a lot people are in attendance. At the time I was building my massive Great Northern layout and the mission was two fold. To see if I could get a little better pricing on some things and if interest was sufficient to chronicle the build for publication. The ONLY representative of ANY manufacturer or publisher that even listened for more than one second was Rob Pisani of Atlas.
I walked away from that experience feeling that unless you are somehow connected to the industry, or know someone, nobody gives a hoot about what you are doing or how much money you are spending. It is disappointing in that you've spent a lot of time doing the work, spent money and are basically giving the yahoos free advertising. Yet, they can't give you the time of day. That is when I realized that unless these manufacturers or publishers find YOU, they are not interested. That used to be the knock on Model Railroader. People would submit really good articles, but the stuff being published was mostly by a select few, which much of the time wasn't that interesting or breaking any new ground. A little OT, but your post reminded me about a time I went to Ihobby expo with my LHS owner. I asked a company if there were any plans to re-run something. When I asked the two people holding down the carpet, the one girl immediately went inside the booth and proclaimed to whoever was inside.."Oh my god! These people are asking if they are going to be making more stuff". I wanted to tell her "No  Sherlock. If they don't know people are looking for it, how do they know to make more of it?? Who better to ask than you, the person representing the company that made it in the first place??". As for the original post. He was probably just aggravated they were doing a run of amtrak units and you no longer needed one.  It's hard to say what was going on in his mind at the time. I know I can get short and to the point when I'm stressed. It's not my normal talkative personality, and don't mean that I care any less. It's just that I've got too many other things to take care of at the moment. Often times I'll revisit the topic with the person, but in a situation like that, it would most likely be impossible. If fixing up short comings, making oddities, and going the extra mile detailing things so they are accurate are parts of the hobby you enjoy, then I wouldn't let this bother you. While there is no doubt that type of experience would be frustrating, I wouldn't let this stop you making things that make you happy. However, in the future, I might be more inclined to buy their product in the secondary market, but that's just how my cars roll.  Trevor |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 7:42:42 GMT -8
I might be a complete and utter stooge, but thinking outside the box a little. If I were a manufacturer and people were using my products to make models, which my firm will not be doing or not for the foreseeable future, I'd encourage the contributions and post them on my web site. A "this is what you can do with our products". Details West has a model on its page with many DW parts. This hobby at times seems to have one foot in the grave and another on a banana peel and the manufacturers don't embrace creativity with their own products. A build like the Amtrak diner helps not only BLI but OTHER manufacturers. We've all heard the parable about "strength of a village versus a single person". Well, instead of thinking like little fiefdoms or me, me and me, what about OUR or the entire hobby. Everyone benefits. People are inspired by the build and BLI and others make money by selling additional models and parts. Win-win right?  Again, maybe I'm not seeing the entire picture. |
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Post by mlehman on Sept 11, 2014 8:07:42 GMT -8
Two things come to mind.
There are still older marketing folks hanging on who are virtually clueless about how the internet has transformed their task. Instead of a six month lead time for putting out and reacting to industry trends that occur over cycles measured in months, if not years, things have speeded-up to where there's maybe six minutes before any crumb of news or info hits the other side of the planet.
The internet revolution has brought everything closer together in time and space, as well as disrupted networks and relationships that were very structured and top-down. Mfg wants to sell product, makes same, markets it, collects income. If another run is made, they may or may not take into consideration any comments that floated in on paper somehow. A very linear, one-way process. Now, that still goes on, but it's only the beginning. Instead of putting product in people's hands as the top priority, vendor marketing acts more as a facilitator for the customer's interaction with the product. How this works with computers and various other gadgets is obvious. It's not quite so obvious for actual hardware that's not directly associated with computers and the virtual world. Some like BLMA, Tangent, ExactRail, etc are hip to this, to varying degrees. Y'all can probably name 10 companies for each of those I just mentioned who still haven't really even boarded the train to the 21st century yet.
I suspect the industry will survive this transition. It may seem world-shattering to many of us who are mostly stuck in the past with all those other old guys, but trust me. The kids will figure it out.
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Post by WP 257 on Sept 11, 2014 8:21:01 GMT -8
1. You have to model for you and not anyone else's enjoyment.
2. Although this may seem difficult to believe, and I'm not making excuses for anyone's short or rude behavior, sometimes the manufacturers actually feel a bit inudated with people wanting to show them something. Maybe you weren't the first one that day trying to show them a nicely done model...and as has already been pointed out above--the rep might have been thinking "Oh crap, another guy that already built his own and won't need to buy our model when it hits the street...just great...we need to sell them all."
3. I think there's this perception now that everyone needs to be on Facebook, or whatever, and instantly responsive to the various posts and comments of their would-be customers, and I know the smaller companies, who do not have a lot of staff (which I would think would include BLI) probably are feeling stretched a bit too-thin.
None of this excuses the curt, short, or rude behavior you may have experienced.
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Sept 11, 2014 8:23:51 GMT -8
icrr3067, I go to Springfield every year, and I've been to the NMRA conventions in Philly ('06) and Hartford ('09) plus a few RPM meets and NHRHTA conventions where manufacturers display. I used to cover the Microscale booth for a friend at Springfield, and the same friend has told me plenty of stories about NMRA national shows and what it's like to staff one. Did you know that the manufacturers are there for five days this year (and every year)? Wed. - Drop Off Only Thu. - Set Up Fri. - Train Show (9 hours) Sat. - Train Show (8 hours) Sun. - Train Show (7 hours) and Move Out (4 hours or less) Plus BLI had to fly to Cleveland and fly home to Florida, after making sure their booth gets shipped both ways. If you approached BLI on Sunday (you didn't say), I hope you can understand why any manufacturer can be less than enthusiastic after 17 to 24 hours on their feet on a concrete floor. Doing the NTS is very tiring. I know doing Springfield is tiring from personal experience, and that's only 2 days of show and one day of set up. I can't imagine doing Springfield as-is and then tacking on a 3rd show day. Ugh. Speaking as an individual, and I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but it's kind of weird that you would bring your own stuff to a train show to show off to a manufacturer what you've done to their product. I've never heard of anyone doing this before. Show rep.'s are there to answer questions about products they make ("When's the who-sit coming out?", "Why not make XYZ?", "Where can I get ABC?"), not to offer modeling critiques. Some folks who work at manufacturers are not actually model railroaders at all, or if they are MR's, are not great model craftsmen. They design trains and have them built, but some just don't build them themselves. Some are excellent modelers (see: Rapido), but others are not. Most show booths for manufacturers are extremely busy. I've had to wait almost every time to talk to a rep., and the rep.'s are trying to satisfy everyone who comes to see them. All weekend long they get peppered with not only great questions and suggestions, but also some pretty dumb tirades, too. For example, I had a rep. take me aside once (I know the guy) and ask me, "Just what is with you New Haven guys, anyways?" It seems some fellow NH fan ripped the rep. for 15 minutes over a fictional NH product the company recently ran. The rep. pointed out to me that the inaccurate product sold out before it left China. If you had taken your updated diner and showed it to BLI with the intent of getting them to update their own tooling, then perhaps there could have been a longer discussion. If nothing else, they could have explained why they couldn't do it. That'd be better than just showing them your work and getting, "That's nice." The point here is try to see how this looks from the other side of the booth. And quite frankly, hey, maybe the guy was on his way to the bathroom. It's happened to me at my club. After a large soda at lunch during an Open House, I'll walk from my dispatcher's tower to the Men's Room and try to make it without being stopped. And since it's 150' away through hundreds of people, I get stopped most every time. I'm sure someone will think me rude for not stopping to talk to them for long, but dude...I gotta go.  |
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Post by icrr3067 on Sept 11, 2014 9:33:01 GMT -8
Paul,
I was there on Sat. I didn't bring the model, I had pictures on my Phone. Don't get me wrong I know they are long days, and when I was at the both nobody was there they were both just sitting around. I guess I'm just more venting on the rudeness, and all that they worried about was the guys with the video cameras.
Also I've talked to Walthers, and Athearn about some of my projects that I've done or working and I talked to some of the reps for hours on models. They want to see finished products. But like I said I'm just venting.
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Post by jlwii2000 on Sept 11, 2014 13:33:58 GMT -8
This is more of just a little rant, and I've been holding it in for a while now and I want to get it off my chest. When I was in cleavland for the NMRA show, I stopped by the Broadway Limited booth and showed them my work that I did to their Zepher dinner and made it into a modern day dinner. The gentleman that I show it to was the same guy that's in all of their videos, and the videos that people make. So I show him and he's like "that's nice" and walks away. Didn't even care!! I don't know if its just me but I just spent $50 on one of your cars and worked on it for 6 months and made a complety different model. I guess my my question is, Should I let it bother me? After that commet/how I was treated I really lost intrest in finishing my Amtrak train. It seems like, all they(Broadway)cares about is video time. Thoughts?
Ken Silvestri was probably the guy, he's sort of a tough guy to read. With that said, some people at different booths are oddballs, tired of dealing with the many oddball modelers, or just not people oriented. Sometimes you can't get a down to earth or modeler oriented person. It's a mixed bag of personalities at any show booth, you never know what you're going to get. I wouldn't take it personally, there are tons of people that don't take my modeling, my videos, or anything I do seriously. It's not worth losing your motivation over. Model for your enjoyment, not those folks manning the booths at a train show. Keep your head up man!
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Post by valenciajim on Sept 11, 2014 15:59:07 GMT -8
This is more of just a little rant, and I've been holding it in for a while now and I want to get it off my chest. When I was in cleavland for the NMRA show, I stopped by the Broadway Limited booth and showed them my work that I did to their Zepher dinner and made it into a modern day dinner. The gentleman that I show it to was the same guy that's in all of their videos, and the videos that people make. So I show him and he's like "that's nice" and walks away. Didn't even care!! I don't know if its just me but I just spent $50 on one of your cars and worked on it for 6 months and made a complety different model. I guess my my question is, Should I let it bother me? After that commet/how I was treated I really lost intrest in finishing my Amtrak train. It seems like, all they(Broadway)cares about is video time. Thoughts?
Ken Silvestri was probably the guy, he's sort of a tough guy to read. With that said, some people at different booths are oddballs, tired of dealing with the many oddball modelers, or just not people oriented. Sometimes you can't get a down to earth or modeler oriented person. It's a mixed bag of personalities at any show booth, you never know what you're going to get. I wouldn't take it personally, there are tons of people that don't take my modeling, my videos, or anything I do seriously. It's not worth losing your motivation over. Model for your enjoyment, not those folks manning the booths at a train show. Keep your head up man!
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Post by atsfan on Sept 12, 2014 3:16:44 GMT -8
icrr3067, I go to Springfield every year, and I've been to the NMRA conventions in Philly ('06) and Hartford ('09) plus a few RPM meets and NHRHTA conventions where manufacturers display. I used to cover the Microscale booth for a friend at Springfield, and the same friend has told me plenty of stories about NMRA national shows and what it's like to staff one. Did you know that the manufacturers are there for five days this year (and every year)? Wed. - Drop Off Only Thu. - Set Up Fri. - Train Show (9 hours) Sat. - Train Show (8 hours) Sun. - Train Show (7 hours) and Move Out (4 hours or less) Plus BLI had to fly to Cleveland and fly home to Florida, after making sure their booth gets shipped both ways. If you approached BLI on Sunday (you didn't say), I hope you can understand why any manufacturer can be less than enthusiastic after 17 to 24 hours on their feet on a concrete floor. Doing the NTS is very tiring. I know doing Springfield is tiring from personal experience, and that's only 2 days of show and one day of set up. I can't imagine doing Springfield as-is and then tacking on a 3rd show day. Ugh. Speaking as an individual, and I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but it's kind of weird that you would bring your own stuff to a train show to show off to a manufacturer what you've done to their product. I've never heard of anyone doing this before. Show rep.'s are there to answer questions about products they make ("When's the who-sit coming out?", "Why not make XYZ?", "Where can I get ABC?"), not to offer modeling critiques. Some folks who work at manufacturers are not actually model railroaders at all, or if they are MR's, are not great model craftsmen. They design trains and have them built, but some just don't build them themselves. Some are excellent modelers (see: Rapido), but others are not. Most show booths for manufacturers are extremely busy. I've had to wait almost every time to talk to a rep., and the rep.'s are trying to satisfy everyone who comes to see them. All weekend long they get peppered with not only great questions and suggestions, but also some pretty dumb tirades, too. For example, I had a rep. take me aside once (I know the guy) and ask me, "Just what is with you New Haven guys, anyways?" It seems some fellow NH fan ripped the rep. for 15 minutes over a fictional NH product the company recently ran. The rep. pointed out to me that the inaccurate product sold out before it left China. If you had taken your updated diner and showed it to BLI with the intent of getting them to update their own tooling, then perhaps there could have been a longer discussion. If nothing else, they could have explained why they couldn't do it. That'd be better than just showing them your work and getting, "That's nice." The point here is try to see how this looks from the other side of the booth. And quite frankly, hey, maybe the guy was on his way to the bathroom. It's happened to me at my club. After a large soda at lunch during an Open House, I'll walk from my dispatcher's tower to the Men's Room and try to make it without being stopped. And since it's 150' away through hundreds of people, I get stopped most every time. I'm sure someone will think me rude for not stopping to talk to them for long, but dude...I gotta go. Rude behavior is rude behavior. No excuses for being rude or people should not be in front at a public train show deliberately built to interact with the public. If they need a personality they should hire booth babes as found in many trade shows. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 4:15:37 GMT -8
icrr3067, I go to Springfield every year, and I've been to the NMRA conventions in Philly ('06) and Hartford ('09) plus a few RPM meets and NHRHTA conventions where manufacturers display. I used to cover the Microscale booth for a friend at Springfield, and the same friend has told me plenty of stories about NMRA national shows and what it's like to staff one. Did you know that the manufacturers are there for five days this year (and every year)? Wed. - Drop Off Only Thu. - Set Up Fri. - Train Show (9 hours) Sat. - Train Show (8 hours) Sun. - Train Show (7 hours) and Move Out (4 hours or less) Plus BLI had to fly to Cleveland and fly home to Florida, after making sure their booth gets shipped both ways. If you approached BLI on Sunday (you didn't say), I hope you can understand why any manufacturer can be less than enthusiastic after 17 to 24 hours on their feet on a concrete floor. Doing the NTS is very tiring. I know doing Springfield is tiring from personal experience, and that's only 2 days of show and one day of set up. I can't imagine doing Springfield as-is and then tacking on a 3rd show day. Ugh. Speaking as an individual, and I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but it's kind of weird that you would bring your own stuff to a train show to show off to a manufacturer what you've done to their product. I've never heard of anyone doing this before. Show rep.'s are there to answer questions about products they make ("When's the who-sit coming out?", "Why not make XYZ?", "Where can I get ABC?"), not to offer modeling critiques. Some folks who work at manufacturers are not actually model railroaders at all, or if they are MR's, are not great model craftsmen. They design trains and have them built, but some just don't build them themselves. Some are excellent modelers (see: Rapido), but others are not. Most show booths for manufacturers are extremely busy. I've had to wait almost every time to talk to a rep., and the rep.'s are trying to satisfy everyone who comes to see them. All weekend long they get peppered with not only great questions and suggestions, but also some pretty dumb tirades, too. For example, I had a rep. take me aside once (I know the guy) and ask me, "Just what is with you New Haven guys, anyways?" It seems some fellow NH fan ripped the rep. for 15 minutes over a fictional NH product the company recently ran. The rep. pointed out to me that the inaccurate product sold out before it left China. If you had taken your updated diner and showed it to BLI with the intent of getting them to update their own tooling, then perhaps there could have been a longer discussion. If nothing else, they could have explained why they couldn't do it. That'd be better than just showing them your work and getting, "That's nice." The point here is try to see how this looks from the other side of the booth. And quite frankly, hey, maybe the guy was on his way to the bathroom. It's happened to me at my club. After a large soda at lunch during an Open House, I'll walk from my dispatcher's tower to the Men's Room and try to make it without being stopped. And since it's 150' away through hundreds of people, I get stopped most every time. I'm sure someone will think me rude for not stopping to talk to them for long, but dude...I gotta go. Rude behavior is rude behavior. No excuses for being rude or people should not be in front at a public train show deliberately built to interact with the public. If they need a personality they should hire booth babes as found in many trade shows. Santa Fe fan makes very good point. I've been to a few of these shows, when even on dealer only days, which are shorter in hours and a fraction of the crowed, where the people holding down the rug had the personality of a dead fish. If they should be civil to anyone it should be their dealers! I don't buy the aches, pains, tinky winky, tear down, set up, etc. either. The whole purpose of a trade/public show is to connect to your customers and dealers. Again, if your not connecting to the dealers especially, you need some work on you personality. If a person is burned out by going to these shows, stop and find someone else or don't set up. Take a show off. Its better than sitting in a booth sucking on a lemon. That does more harm than blowing off a show. |
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Post by TA462 on Sept 12, 2014 6:45:21 GMT -8
I guess my my question is, Should I let it bother me? After that commet/how I was treated I really lost intrest in finishing my Amtrak train. By all means, finish the train! Who cares what The Man thinks. You know that old car I bring to the Cruise Nights? Half the enjoyment of bringing it is because it bugs so many people because its "different". If I cared what the rest of the world thought I'd own a Mustang or Camaro just like theirs. I use to restore cars for people, mostly Camaro's, Firebirds etc. Believe me it was a breath of fresh air when someone wanted something different. |
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Post by atsfan on Sept 12, 2014 9:39:59 GMT -8
I was at a trade show where the front of the booth was a Ping pong table with hired models in very small and very tight blue bathing suits
playing ping pong.
That made up for any personality disorders from the grumpy older guys further back.
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Post by Spikre on Sept 12, 2014 10:41:51 GMT -8
 Atsfan, they didn't let You take any of those Models from the Show ? what a bunch of Kill Joys !!  have helped with some Historical Society articles over the years, and have been credited for it . but have never really been motivated to try to get printed by any of the mainstream mags. just an under achiever possibly ?? or a fan of those who do it to further knowledge in their favored roads ? Spikre
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Post by bigblow69 on Sept 13, 2014 12:35:53 GMT -8
I make it a habit not to talk to anybody at shows. I really tried and not in a forceful way. only time will tell if they listen.
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Post by WP 257 on Sept 15, 2014 9:28:26 GMT -8
I learned to be very selective with whom I speak to at shows.
Obviously, I know there are certain people from this forum or perhaps other forums who don't see eye to eye with me, such that I'm just not going to introduce myself to them at any show, for a number of reasons.
However, there are times when it's very useful to speak with people at shows. Even then, I won't ever use my online name(s)...I only use my real name in person.
I spoke to Howard Zane, and he was subsequently a wonderful host to myself and others--had us over to see his layout, etc. Howard was way cool to us! So there are times it pays off to network and speak with people. I'm very thankful for the opportunity to have seen his excellent layout on multiple occasions through the years. I'm thankful to have gotten to know John Glaab, Thomas Cornwall, J.P. Barger and the Reboxx guys, and of course Armand Mazzetti, too.
My life is richer for having met all those folks. Armand will be missed, just as I miss Tom, too. (Tom was Mountaineer Brass, another reputable brass dealer).
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Post by TA462 on Sept 20, 2014 7:13:45 GMT -8
Obviously, I know there are certain people from this forum or perhaps other forums who don't see eye to eye with me, such that I'm just not going to introduce myself to them at any show, for a number of reasons. I don't see eye to eye with lots of people but I've met up with them at shows. People act a lot different when your face to face with them compared to yapping on the internet with them. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 7:21:48 GMT -8
Obviously, I know there are certain people from this forum or perhaps other forums who don't see eye to eye with me, such that I'm just not going to introduce myself to them at any show, for a number of reasons. I don't see eye to eye with lots of people but I've met up with them at shows. People act a lot different when your face to face with them compared to yapping on the internet with them. Amen There is a lot of false bravado on the internet. People hide behind user ideas and practice complete anonymity. People don't even use their first name which would make things a bit more personal. Most "tough guys" on the net are good little puppy dogs in person. Why? Because they can't hide and people actually see them for who and what they really are. |
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Post by WP 257 on Sept 20, 2014 14:42:52 GMT -8
Well, thank you folks for your comments...I just know there's at least a couple folks I've really ticked off such that I prefer to remain as anonymous as possible going forward. I'm sure the vast majority of folks on internet forums are indeed pretty nice in person, as you've said.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 15:34:52 GMT -8
Well, thank you folks for your comments...I just know there's at least a couple folks I've really ticked off such that I prefer to remain as anonymous as possible going forward. I'm sure the vast majority of folks on internet forums are indeed pretty nice in person, as you've said. So you ticked them off, why hide in the bunker? You didn't steal their lunch money. You had a verbal disagreement. People need to get over things. We are after all talking about toy trains, not race, creed, religion, politics, etc.. Even then just because you have a tiff with someone doesn't mean you should be fearful. Being afraid that someone is going to jump you at the toy train show or get in a heated argument at said toy train show is absurd. Get a life everybody! |
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Post by jlwii2000 on Sept 21, 2014 10:02:46 GMT -8
Well, thank you folks for your comments...I just know there's at least a couple folks I've really ticked off such that I prefer to remain as anonymous as possible going forward. I'm sure the vast majority of folks on internet forums are indeed pretty nice in person, as you've said. So you ticked them off, why hide in the bunker? You didn't steal their lunch money. You had a verbal disagreement. People need to get over things. We are after all talking about toy trains, not race, creed, religion, politics, etc.. Even then just because you have a tiff with someone doesn't mean you should be fearful. Being afraid that someone is going to jump you at the toy train show or get in a heated argument at said toy train show is absurd. Get a life everybody! I couldn't have said it better myself. I had someone threaten to "hunt me down" at the National Train Show in Cleveland. I told them it would be my pleasure! I actually called them to their surprise and they were much less agressive via phone. When it came to show time, I saw them sneak around me to avoid me at all costs. People are tough on the internet, but really it is absurd to think of a fight breaking out at a train show. |
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Post by WP 257 on Sept 21, 2014 18:01:46 GMT -8
Ok, I get the point. Wasn't expecting any kind of a fight per se, but just don't really need to have somebody call me out as oh you're "that guy".
Have been at Timonium and have heard people introduce themselves to others as "I'm so and so (from the old atlas forum)" but just didn't need to participate in that myself, that's all...
I have not attended any "national" train shows or modelers' meets. Only Timonium and lesser regional shows, like Allentown, Harrisburg, Conrail Historical Society Shows, East Coast Santa Fe Modelers, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 5:37:53 GMT -8
Ok, I get the point. Wasn't expecting any kind of a fight per se, but just don't really need to have somebody call me out as oh you're "that guy".Have been at Timonium and have heard people introduce themselves to others as "I'm so and so (from the old atlas forum)" but just didn't need to participate in that myself, that's all... I have not attended any "national" train shows or modelers' meets. Only Timonium and lesser regional shows, like Allentown, Harrisburg, Conrail Historical Society Shows, East Coast Santa Fe Modelers, etc. I don't know who you may have bristled, BUT 99.9% of the things you post on this forum are hardly controversial. Now, if you were some of the other suspects on this forum, who shall remain nameless, but we know who they are......were to be seen and known at a train show, then maybe some feathers may ruffle. Curt Mc who has stirred the pot a few times on this and the old Atlas forum is according to people that met him and fully expected to want to flatten his nose, to be very informative and a good person. The internet is a faceless, soulless, place devoid of real human emotion and touch. But when we as human's get together, especially when it concerns something we all love, it is truly amazing the common ground we all have and how easy it is to be friends. |
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Post by PeeCee on Sept 24, 2014 13:41:57 GMT -8
This is a very interesting topic.
On a related issue, sometimes I have noticed that RR Modelers or Railfans that have a minimal amount of fame from printed media, the internet, etc. often let it "go to their head" and display a similar kind of impolite behavior.
I think I have learned long ago that the expression often applies:
"Don't confuse the Artists with their Art" meaning that just because a fellow has got some genuine modeling talent or is a good author or whatever, that definitely does not guarantee that he has a friendly 'Type-A' personality . . . .
My 2 c.
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) about my prototype GN layout. Seeing this magazine was committing considerable pages and ink to a prototype layout about the NKP, my friend and I figured there would be interest. I guess we(my friend and I) were dead wrong!
It's hard to say what was going on in his mind at the time. I know I can get short and to the point when I'm stressed. It's not my normal talkative personality, and don't mean that I care any less. It's just that I've got too many other things to take care of at the moment. Often times I'll revisit the topic with the person, but in a situation like that, it would most likely be impossible.
