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Post by MONSTERRAILROAD on Jan 31, 2015 21:11:59 GMT -8
This engine looks like it served a lot of jail time and came out of the prison tattooed up and now hardcore. LOL. I know, I know, many will start the complaining about the vandalism aspect to it and that is all great, but fact of the matter is, this engine will make for a GREAT weather/graffiti project! It is just an amazing looking engine as it stands. It surely has a TON OF CHARACTER!!! In my eyes, I think it looks Off The Hook! In your eyes, you say it looks horrible. OK fine. I just wanted to share the photo I saw tonight. Hate it or enjoy it.   |
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Post by MONSTERRAILROAD on Jan 31, 2015 21:17:40 GMT -8
And here is a brother of it in the SAME location from August. Wow! Two amazing weathering/tagging projects!  |
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Post by MONSTERRAILROAD on Jan 31, 2015 21:19:11 GMT -8
Another member (engine) from the same prison(engine yard) that got tattooed up while locked up.   All 4 of these members (engines) were locked up in the same prison(engine yard) in Los Angelos California  |
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Post by stevef45 on Jan 31, 2015 21:39:10 GMT -8
dam, they dont give a f out there in cali when it comes to loco's.
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Post by onequiknova on Jan 31, 2015 21:41:19 GMT -8
I'll grab the popcorn.
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Post by espeenut on Jan 31, 2015 21:51:51 GMT -8
...OK, let me be the first to say "no thanks, no graffiti on my railroad!"
...and I'll simply leave it at that...
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Post by fr8kar on Jan 31, 2015 22:01:17 GMT -8
Graffiti? I find the gensets the objectionable part, and I hate graffiti.  |
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Post by Judge Doom on Jan 31, 2015 22:06:34 GMT -8
I wonder if they dropped the soap while in loco prison...
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Post by mlehman on Jan 31, 2015 22:10:53 GMT -8
Tough neighborhood. Wonder what the crews have for tats?
Even if you're not a fan of graffiti, certainly having a engine like this on the layout would set the scene for some gritty urban modeling that would make Lance Mindheim look like a choirboy...
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Post by mrsocal on Jan 31, 2015 22:27:12 GMT -8
Al, I have seen a couple of these bruisers over in east LA from the 60 freeway as the mrs. and I were coming into the garment district. They look odd in all that war paint but they are all muscle just the same.
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Post by MONSTERRAILROAD on Jan 31, 2015 22:52:05 GMT -8
The Locos are Loco Ese` |
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Post by lvrr325 on Jan 31, 2015 23:02:27 GMT -8
UP needs to start coating these things with a heavy layer of wax.
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Post by navarch1 on Feb 1, 2015 4:37:50 GMT -8
UP needs to start coating these things with a heavy layer of wax. ...or....learn how to fatally electrify the carbodies when unattended... " <FLASH!!!!!!!>.......bbbbbzzzzzzzzzzz ....(drop) Darwin at work Bob |
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Post by bigb6flyer on Feb 1, 2015 5:42:39 GMT -8
Looks like the UP Police need to do some enforcement action where those gensets are based. Love it or hate it, fact is a modern themed model railroad requires graffiti to be realistic. Thankfully the area I model apparently keeps their locomotives in a visible/manned area and only the freight cars receive graffiti.
Brad
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Post by markfj on Feb 1, 2015 6:15:42 GMT -8
Graffiti? I find the gensets the objectionable part, and I hate graffiti. +1 Ha! Yes, the gensets are just a mess when it comes to an appealing industrial design.  |
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Post by atsfan on Feb 1, 2015 6:32:38 GMT -8
I don't model Gensets so I can pass
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Feb 1, 2015 6:49:50 GMT -8
Looks like the UP Police need to do some enforcement action where those gensets are based. Brad Hmmmmm...... I'd say enforcement is a bit lacking.....  |
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Post by bigb6flyer on Feb 1, 2015 7:04:12 GMT -8
That's hilarious
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Post by curtmc on Feb 1, 2015 7:32:00 GMT -8
This is what happens in society when law enforcement is no longer allowed to use adequate force to deter crime... Bring back the ability of railroad police to use firearms (and shoot if threatened) when confronting trespassing vandals on railroad property and there would be a reduction in such crime.
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Feb 1, 2015 7:41:28 GMT -8
This is what happens in society when law enforcement is no longer allowed to use adequate force to deter crime... Bring back the ability of railroad police to shoot when confronting vandals on railroad property and there would be a reduction in such crime. Shoot first and ask questions later? |
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Post by atsfan on Feb 1, 2015 8:09:54 GMT -8
This is what happens in society when law enforcement is no longer allowed to use adequate force to deter crime... Bring back the ability of railroad police to use firearms (and shoot if threatened) when confronting trespassing vandals on railroad property and there would be a reduction in such crime. RR police carry guns Never taken away |
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Post by curtmc on Feb 1, 2015 8:19:35 GMT -8
No, what has changed is the society perception of a trespassing vandal (doing a crime 99%+ used to think was "unacceptable" only a few decades ago) to an "unarmed person" the media will take the side of if there is an incident... So although railroad police still have guns, they feel as if they can't use them...
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Feb 1, 2015 8:24:35 GMT -8
This is what happens in society when law enforcement is no longer allowed to use adequate force to deter crime... Bring back the ability of railroad police to use firearms (and shoot if threatened) when confronting trespassing vandals on railroad property and there would be a reduction in such crime. What a crazy statement. RR Police are armed and fully empowered to use their weapons when placed in a situation that deadly force would be warranted. Never, ever, has that been justified in a trespass or vandalism situation. In 'the day' a firm whack of the night stick across the misguided individual's melon or back of the knees might be the most force used. Too much hollywood in the mind, kid. I can imagine the biggest problem the RR Special Agents have is manpower and administrations that are live in mortal fear of litigation. As a retired police officer I can say that it's a wonder that anyone wants to go to work everyday, RR police, local or state, living with the fear of going through the recent bs that took place in Missouri and other places enduring the media frenzy generated. Here in my part of Michigan the CN/GTW often has a single officer on duty between Battle Creek and the Canadian border at Pt Huron. While I'm sure there are more in the areas like LA their agencies are not huge. Ugly stuff in those photos, off the hook? Hang it up. |
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Post by fr8kar on Feb 1, 2015 8:31:45 GMT -8
This is what happens in society when law enforcement is no longer allowed to use adequate force to deter crime... Bring back the ability of railroad police to use firearms (and shoot if threatened) when confronting trespassing vandals on railroad property and there would be a reduction in such crime. Are you serious?! The cops should shoot someone for petty crimes like vandalism? I don't know where you've been, but this is already happening and most of the world isn't very happy about it. Look no farther than Albuquerque, NM or Ferguson, MO. Deadly force should be the last resort, not a response if cops are merely "threatened." Cops are threatened all the time. They are the professionals, they have the training to respond to threats without deadly force. You know, serve and protect. Look, I hate graffiti - hate it - it interferes with my job, it's ugly, it's emblematic of disrespect for others' property, it puts the tagger at risk of injury or death during the trespassing required to do the damage, etc. But no matter how much I dislike this crime and the related crimes that must occur to execute graffiti, deadly force is never an appropriate response for what amounts to a petty crime, regardless of my or your disdain for the crime. |
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Feb 1, 2015 8:58:46 GMT -8
This is what happens in society when law enforcement is no longer allowed to use adequate force to deter crime... Bring back the ability of railroad police to use firearms (and shoot if threatened) when confronting trespassing vandals on railroad property and there would be a reduction in such crime. Are you serious?! The cops should shoot someone for petty crimes like vandalism? I don't know where you've been, but this is already happening and most of the world isn't very happy about it. Look no farther than Albuquerque, NM or Ferguson, MO. Deadly force should be the last resort, not a response if cops are merely "threatened." Cops are threatened all the time. They are the professionals, they have the training to respond to threats without deadly force. You know, serve and protect. Look, I hate graffiti - hate it - it interferes with my job, it's ugly, it's emblematic of disrespect for others' property, it puts the tagger at risk of injury or death during the trespassing required to do the damage, etc. But no matter how much I dislike this crime and the related crimes that must occur to execute graffiti, deadly force is never an appropriate response for what amounts to a petty crime, regardless of my or your disdain for the crime. One of the biggest life threatening risks I assume to train crews is coming up on trespassers. Are they just some people taking a short cut across the property or are these people in the process of committing felony criminal activity and are armed. Crews don't have a 9mm on their hip to protect themselves. |
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Post by fr8kar on Feb 1, 2015 9:10:23 GMT -8
Are you serious?! The cops should shoot someone for petty crimes like vandalism? I don't know where you've been, but this is already happening and most of the world isn't very happy about it. Look no farther than Albuquerque, NM or Ferguson, MO. Deadly force should be the last resort, not a response if cops are merely "threatened." Cops are threatened all the time. They are the professionals, they have the training to respond to threats without deadly force. You know, serve and protect. Look, I hate graffiti - hate it - it interferes with my job, it's ugly, it's emblematic of disrespect for others' property, it puts the tagger at risk of injury or death during the trespassing required to do the damage, etc. But no matter how much I dislike this crime and the related crimes that must occur to execute graffiti, deadly force is never an appropriate response for what amounts to a petty crime, regardless of my or your disdain for the crime. One of the biggest life threatening risks I assume to train crews is coming up on trespassers. Are they just some people taking a short cut across the property or are these people in the process of committing felony criminal activity and are armed. Crews don't have a 9mm on their hip to protect themselves. True. We aren't allowed to be armed with anything more than a 3-inch blade, so the best weapon I have to protect against trespassers is a radio. Some conductors I know carry a brake stick, which could be an effective weapon. I have encountered trespassers numerous times and usually they are trying to stay out of sight. However, close encounters, especially in the dark, can be quite surprising. I had a dog bark at me from the end of a covered hopper when I was about ten feet away and it freaked me out pretty good. It was pitch black dark outside and that's the last thing I was expecting. When the dog's owner emerged from the shadow of the slope sheet to ask, "where is this train going?" I wasn't nearly as shocked. In all cases of trespassing, I report the trespasser in part because it's a requirement of my job, but also because it's a dangerous environment to be in even when you know which cars are going to be moving. People without knowledge of the planned movements don't stand a chance. Finding dead, dismembered or even just injured trespassers is not something I want to do ever. |
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Feb 1, 2015 10:29:44 GMT -8
Finding dead, dismembered or even just injured trespassers is not something I want to do ever. I used to have an old Illinois Central Gulf rule book that spelled out if a person in killed on railroad property on a state, county or city line, where the head of the body is located will determine which jurisdiction is summoned. Grizzly, but I suppose a necessary rule. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 12:56:38 GMT -8
Tough neighborhood. Wonder what the crews have for tats? Even if you're not a fan of graffiti, certainly having a engine like this on the layout would set the scene for some gritty urban modeling that would make Lance Mindheim look like a choirboy... Not really that "tough" a neighborhood (Google map goo.gl/maps/hDi0N), it's just that so much of southern California is overrun with graffiti, and at least 80% of that done by Hispanic "youth", not necessarily hardcore gang members. A male could walk thru this area in the daytime and be reasonably safe. (Not recommended at night alone). There is so much graffiti in LA urban & Hispanic-dominated (aka most) areas that many people & companies, including the UPRR, have almost given up on removing it. And part of the reason for that is grafitti is seen today as a part of the Hispanic culture that should be "celebrated", and that removing it could be construed as insensitive- or worse. This is stupid and distructive to all, but true. As someone who's traveled the US extensively, there's probably more graffiti in California than the rest of the USA combined. Of course the OP posted these photos in (yet another) attempt to bait members into "attacking" him. Kinda sad. The tall beige building is the MTA HQ building, just east of the LA Union Station tracks. I think one photo #2709 by Charles Freericks was taken a few miles south at Butte St. yard, but I'm not positive. I write this as a southern California urban geographer and ex-UPRR employee who has worked those tracks. I dislike graffiti and those who embrace it. And I'm not fond of Genset locos or the contemporary UPRR. |
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Post by MONSTERRAILROAD on Feb 1, 2015 14:48:23 GMT -8
This is what happens in society when law enforcement is no longer allowed to use adequate force to deter crime... Bring back the ability of railroad police to use firearms (and shoot if threatened) when confronting trespassing vandals on railroad property and there would be a reduction in such crime. Are you serious?! The cops should shoot someone for petty crimes like vandalism? I don't know where you've been, but this is already happening and most of the world isn't very happy about it. Look no farther than Albuquerque, NM or Ferguson, MO. Deadly force should be the last resort, not a response if cops are merely "threatened." Cops are threatened all the time. They are the professionals, they have the training to respond to threats without deadly force. You know, serve and protect. Look, I hate graffiti - hate it - it interferes with my job, it's ugly, it's emblematic of disrespect for others' property, it puts the tagger at risk of injury or death during the trespassing required to do the damage, etc. But no matter how much I dislike this crime and the related crimes that must occur to execute graffiti, deadly force is never an appropriate response for what amounts to a petty crime, regardless of my or your disdain for the crime. Fr8kar, very nicely stated. |
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Post by atsfan on Feb 1, 2015 18:20:54 GMT -8
No, what has changed is the society perception of a trespassing vandal (doing a crime 99%+ used to think was "unacceptable" only a few decades ago) to an "unarmed person" the media will take the side of if there is an incident... So although railroad police still have guns, they feel as if they can't use them... Using a gun to stop graffit is not going to end well for anyone. Most graffit is off of railroad property at a plant or something. Not saying I like it. I dont. |
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