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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 8:53:18 GMT -8
Boy Howdy. A hundred trains a day, year after year in a society of lawsuits. Yet, the rail park is still open!!! Apparently the working railroaders who actually pass along the triangle see no problem. Never been to Fostoria, but the photos I've seen showed a fence between the railfan park and the tracks. Are they inside the fence? Or just elsewhere on RR property?
Only on a foamer forum would the point of view of a professional be considered "madness".
It's very common for railfans to "school" professional railroaders on everything from train handling to accounting. And now, safety. You've probably experienced this experienced this, I got/get it all the time. Extreme examples and conspiracy theories abound on forums that focus on passenger ops or rail transit. That's why so few professional railroaders are these type forums. |
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Post by curtmc on Aug 15, 2015 11:41:17 GMT -8
FYI. I've been in Fostoria and listened to a "working railroader" report people too close or on the tracks and have seen CSX police escort somebody off of the F tower grounds...
Railfan safely, stay off of the tracks, cross the tracks only at the streets, don't go near F tower, and all will be fine... The area is certainly not what it used to be like in Willard where apparently one of the last police chiefs made railfans his #1 target.
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Post by peoriaman on Aug 15, 2015 12:41:25 GMT -8
This is the best thread... Ever!!
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Aug 15, 2015 16:21:33 GMT -8
Hmmm. I don't know -- the Pennsy "Dark Green Locomotive Enamel (DGLE)," "Brunswick Green," "Black" debates are right up there.
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Post by Dear Leader on Aug 15, 2015 16:51:56 GMT -8
Boy Howdy. A hundred trains a day, year after year in a society of lawsuits. Yet, the rail park is still open!!! Apparently the working railroaders who actually pass along the triangle see no problem. Never been to Fostoria, but the photos I've seen showed a fence between the railfan park and the tracks. Are they inside the fence? Or just elsewhere on RR property?
Only on a foamer forum would the point of view of a professional be considered "madness".
You have not been to Fostoria, and yet as a "professional" you some how know that Al's in a unsafe location. As a "professional", are you also skilled in interpreting photographs, knowing how to determine angles, etc? I have a lot of friends that are railroaders, and if I ever called them "professional", they would tell me, they never attended Harvard, or Yale, they don't have a masters degree or any other degree in running trains, and they just figure that I'm a adult, capable of making decisions, and knowing the ramifications of my decisions with out having to lecture me about straps, chains, standing too close to a train, standing on the tracks, etc. They would also have the courtesy of not calling anyone a foamer, knowing that it's a derogatory term to some people. They earn my respect from their actions and not by their titles.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 18:18:42 GMT -8
Never been to Fostoria, but the photos I've seen showed a fence between the railfan park and the tracks. Are they inside the fence? Or just elsewhere on RR property?
Only on a foamer forum would the point of view of a professional be considered "madness".
You have not been to Fostoria, and yet as a "professional" you some how know that Al's in a unsafe location. As a "professional", are you also skilled in interpreting photographs, knowing how to determine angles, etc? I have a lot of friends that are railroaders, and if I ever called them "professional", they would tell me, they never attended Harvard, or Yale, they don't have a masters degree or any other degree in running trains, and they just figure that I'm a adult, capable of making decisions, and knowing the ramifications of my decisions with out having to lecture me about straps, chains, standing too close to a train, standing on the tracks, etc. They would also have the courtesy of not calling anyone a foamer, knowing that it's a derogatory term to some people. They earn my respect from their actions and not by their titles.
Why the quote marks around the word professional? I'm a degreed ex-RR manager who started out as a switchman, and I'll call gevohogger a professional. And in my professional opinion, Al & son were too close to the tracks. If I were there, I would have had them move back or get off RR property for their own safety and that of the RR and it's employees. Luckily, when it comes to RR operations and safety, you don't get to vote on what's safe and what's not. Don't like it? too bad. People, especially kids, close to the tracks make railroaders nervous, and for good reason. The crew is focused on handling the train and getting home safely, they don't need the added distraction of foamers or anyone close to the tracks. But you did make my point about why railroaders avoid railfan forums. You really have have no idea. |
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Post by MONSTERRAILROAD on Aug 15, 2015 18:41:19 GMT -8
None of these people were sitting there with me yet they all think I was doing something unsafe and wrong. Aight cool then. I do not need to debate my position. We were there for three days and were welcomed by CSX employees who pulled into the lot many times and even spoke to us. IF those Professional Employees felt I was at an unsafe position I am confident they would have addressed it at some point. Peace out!
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Post by Dear Leader on Aug 15, 2015 22:55:08 GMT -8
You have not been to Fostoria, and yet as a "professional" you some how know that Al's in a unsafe location. As a "professional", are you also skilled in interpreting photographs, knowing how to determine angles, etc? I have a lot of friends that are railroaders, and if I ever called them "professional", they would tell me, they never attended Harvard, or Yale, they don't have a masters degree or any other degree in running trains, and they just figure that I'm a adult, capable of making decisions, and knowing the ramifications of my decisions with out having to lecture me about straps, chains, standing too close to a train, standing on the tracks, etc. They would also have the courtesy of not calling anyone a foamer, knowing that it's a derogatory term to some people. They earn my respect from their actions and not by their titles.
Why the quote marks around the word professional? I'm a degreed ex-RR manager who started out as a switchman, and I'll call gevohogger a professional. And in my professional opinion, Al & son were too close to the tracks. If I were there, I would have had them move back or get off RR property for their own safety and that of the RR and it's employees. Luckily, when it comes to RR operations and safety, you don't get to vote on what's safe and what's not. Don't like it? too bad. People, especially kids, close to the tracks make railroaders nervous, and for good reason. The crew is focused on handling the train and getting home safely, they don't need the added distraction of foamers or anyone close to the tracks. But you did make my point about why railroaders avoid railfan forums. You really have have no idea. I do have a idea. Railroaders, some, a very small minority, like yourself, think because they work for a railroad, or worked for a railroad, rail fans, should treat their post as words from the lord himself. The content of your post is a prime example of egotistical view point of, "I have spoken". I do have an idea, and I do have a vote about what is safe and what is not. I put "professional" in quotes, because he, and now you have no concept of the word. Having a degree only means you have a piece of paper showing you completed the required amount of classes, doesn't mean you have common sense or intelligence. Sadly, you have no idea, or a clue. As for Al's location by the tracks, you don't have a vote, As I have said before, he, as well as others, are adults, capable of making decisions that won't put them or children's safety in jeopardy. They don't need to be chastised by the rail fan police, rail fan safety guard, or now, "professionals".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 10:08:56 GMT -8
Why the quote marks around the word professional? I'm a degreed ex-RR manager who started out as a switchman, and I'll call gevohogger a professional. And in my professional opinion, Al & son were too close to the tracks. If I were there, I would have had them move back or get off RR property for their own safety and that of the RR and it's employees. Luckily, when it comes to RR operations and safety, you don't get to vote on what's safe and what's not. Don't like it? too bad. People, especially kids, close to the tracks make railroaders nervous, and for good reason. The crew is focused on handling the train and getting home safely, they don't need the added distraction of foamers or anyone close to the tracks. But you did make my point about why railroaders avoid railfan forums. You really have have no idea. I do have a idea. Railroaders, some, a very small minority, like yourself, think because they work for a railroad, or worked for a railroad, rail fans, should treat their post as words from the lord himself. The content of your post is a prime example of egotistical view point of, "I have spoken". I do have an idea, and I do have a vote about what is safe and what is not. I put "professional" in quotes, because he, and now you have no concept of the word. Having a degree only means you have a piece of paper showing you completed the required amount of classes, doesn't mean you have common sense or intelligence. Sadly, you have no idea, or a clue. As for Al's location by the tracks, you don't have a vote, As I have said before, he, as well as others, are adults, capable of making decisions that won't put them or children's safety in jeopardy. They don't need to be chastised by the rail fan police, rail fan safety guard, or now, "professionals".
There's that railfan image we all know and love. Stay safe. |
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Post by Dear Leader on Aug 16, 2015 12:00:03 GMT -8
I do have a idea. Railroaders, some, a very small minority, like yourself, think because they work for a railroad, or worked for a railroad, rail fans, should treat their post as words from the lord himself. The content of your post is a prime example of egotistical view point of, "I have spoken". I do have an idea, and I do have a vote about what is safe and what is not. I put "professional" in quotes, because he, and now you have no concept of the word. Having a degree only means you have a piece of paper showing you completed the required amount of classes, doesn't mean you have common sense or intelligence. Sadly, you have no idea, or a clue. As for Al's location by the tracks, you don't have a vote, As I have said before, he, as well as others, are adults, capable of making decisions that won't put them or children's safety in jeopardy. They don't need to be chastised by the rail fan police, rail fan safety guard, or now, "professionals".
There's that railfan image we all know and love. Stay safe. You too. |
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