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Post by slowfreight on Nov 3, 2015 17:52:04 GMT -8
As I learned over on dieseldetailer, Imperial Hobby Productions is working on a P30CH model, to be a single-piece resin shell, and likely with a Shapeways frame designed to accept an off-the-shelf mechanism. I know that Athearn has been toying with an SDP40F, but the Pooch still deserves attention in some of our fleets.
Who is interested in one? Myself, I'd love one and I'm hoping that more interest = more sales = a better overall product. I'd be willing to preorder, too, if it helps Mike design a better product.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Nov 3, 2015 18:28:37 GMT -8
Apparently the only answer can be "yes".
I'll go with "no", anyway. Not because I dislike the loco, but because I don't see what good it will do me. But I'm down for the SDP40F's, 'cause they were Western locos, and I saw them and I've got most (maybe all) of the cars to do an early Amtrak Empire Builder. Of the 25 P30CH's, none were based west of the Mississippi. But of the 150 SDP40F's, 25 were based at Havre, Montana (see Empire Builder, above).
Ed
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Post by GP40P-2 on Nov 3, 2015 19:09:31 GMT -8
I have two Overland's, but will gladly replace them with a quality plastic model, so "no" to the above. And yes, some were based out west for a short period while SP leased them for SF commute service while the GP9s were rebuilt, and the SDP45s where needed elsewhere to cover SD40 and SD45 rebuilds. Besides, Imperial has better subjects that he should be tackling.
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Post by drolsen on Nov 3, 2015 19:26:32 GMT -8
I like the P30CH - I'm a fan of just about all Amtrak equipment - but I don't like it enough to dedicate the time to build one. I have too many other projects on the workbench. However, if Athearn offered a Genesis version, I would probably buy one. I'll probably get a couple SDP40Fs when they finally produce them.
Dave
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Post by slowfreight on Nov 3, 2015 20:44:44 GMT -8
I have two Overland's, but will gladly replace them with a quality plastic model, so "no" to the above. And yes, some were based out west for a short period while SP leased them for SF commute service while the GP9s were rebuilt, and the SDP45s where needed elsewhere to cover SD40 and SD45 rebuilds. Besides, Imperial has better subjects that he should be tackling. Care to suggest the better subjects? This started out as a specific request by a single customer (not me) who was willing to fund it. I'm hoping that with enough support, we'll see a better finished model.
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Post by GP40P-2 on Nov 3, 2015 21:31:57 GMT -8
If he has funding for it, he should certainly pursue it.
He certainly could choose any Light Rail, and get the trolley end of the hobby up to date (and piss off George at the same time, but everything seems to piss off George, especially if Imperial is involved). There was recently a thread about Chicago area Budd commute cars that are up his traditional alley. Horizon cars need some updating since Walther's seems to have no interest in doing it, then a 3d printing option might work well. California Cars? Metrolink Rotems? Cascade "Mater"?
Imperial has a niche in transit and commute that is ripe for a lot more.
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Post by atsfan on Nov 4, 2015 3:40:01 GMT -8
This poll is not titled correctly I have no need for any Most Amtrak modelers don't either I saw them in New Mexico and Texas back in the day.
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Post by atsfan on Nov 4, 2015 3:41:10 GMT -8
I have two Overland's, but will gladly replace them with a quality plastic model, so "no" to the above. And yes, some were based out west for a short period while SP leased them for SF commute service while the GP9s were rebuilt, and the SDP45s where needed elsewhere to cover SD40 and SD45 rebuilds. Besides, Imperial has better subjects that he should be tackling. Care to suggest the better subjects? This started out as a specific request by a single customer (not me) who was willing to fund it. I'm hoping that with enough support, we'll see a better finished model. Where did he say he would fund it?
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Post by emd16645 on Nov 4, 2015 6:43:48 GMT -8
My modeling focus currently is Maine, which until recent years had zero Amtrak presence in the state. So I too fall into the category of "cool model that I have no need for".
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Nov 4, 2015 6:48:40 GMT -8
No
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Post by powerglide on Nov 4, 2015 7:03:38 GMT -8
No.
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Post by djh4d on Nov 4, 2015 7:13:01 GMT -8
Folks really need to include a "none" option in their polling. You cant's give nothing but "yes" options and then say "see, everybody wants one".
Put me down for "no".
-Dave
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Post by alcoc430 on Nov 4, 2015 8:03:31 GMT -8
Apparently the only answer can be "yes". I'll go with "no", anyway. Not because I dislike the loco, but because I don't see what good it will do me. But I'm down for the SDP40F's, 'cause they were Western locos, and I saw them and I've got most (maybe all) of the cars to do an early Amtrak Empire Builder. Of the 25 P30CH's, none were based west of the Mississippi. But of the 150 SDP40F's, 25 were based at Havre, Montana (see Empire Builder, above). Ed Sorry to contradict. It seems that they were used west of the Mississippi at least according to wikipedia. They were leased to SP in 1978 for the peninsula commute between SF and San Jose. They were also used on the sunset limited into the mid 80s and also in Caltrain commuter services. Although they are in the right era for me, Auto train is little south of my modeling focus. Does anyone know if the P30CH or the SDP40F ever run anywhere in the north east pulling amfleets or even other car types?
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Post by jaygee on Nov 4, 2015 8:08:45 GMT -8
I'm afraid I'm going to have to disen-pooch !
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Post by scl1234 on Nov 4, 2015 9:08:11 GMT -8
1975 delivery in the Amtrak Ph. II scheme means these are too new for Amtrak Ph. I modelers.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Nov 4, 2015 9:52:34 GMT -8
Apparently the only answer can be "yes". I'll go with "no", anyway. Not because I dislike the loco, but because I don't see what good it will do me. But I'm down for the SDP40F's, 'cause they were Western locos, and I saw them and I've got most (maybe all) of the cars to do an early Amtrak Empire Builder. Of the 25 P30CH's, none were based west of the Mississippi. But of the 150 SDP40F's, 25 were based at Havre, Montana (see Empire Builder, above). Ed Sorry to contradict. It seems that they were used west of the Mississippi at least according to wikipedia. They were leased to SP in 1978 for the peninsula commute between SF and San Jose. They were also used on the sunset limited into the mid 80s and also in Caltrain commuter services. Although they are in the right era for me, Auto train is little south of my modeling focus. Does anyone know if the P30CH or the SDP40F ever run anywhere in the north east pulling amfleets or even other car types? When I said "early Amtrak Empire Builder", I should have been more precise. After all, a "real" one wouldn't be pulled by either locos--it'd be F's. What I have in mind is based on a photo on page 20 of the 1978-1979 Amtrak annual. It's pulled by two phase 2 SDP40F's trailing an SP economy baggage. And etcetera. There's also a train consist listed. Since the locos are phase 2's, the photo's likely 1976 or later-ish. I know the P30CH's "appeared" in the West at the same time: www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=431051&nseq=0And I am not one to completely dismiss the rare. I occasionally embrace it. And, PERHAPS, if the P30CH ever comes beautifully done and running in RTR, I might get one. Hey, I bought two FL9's, didn't I? But the occasional isn't the regular. The info in my quote above is from the 1978-1979 Amtrak annual and is based on the assignments for July 1, 1977. Ed
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Post by kcjones on Nov 4, 2015 10:42:32 GMT -8
RTR with sound...hell yes!!! JL
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Post by atsfan on Nov 4, 2015 11:18:43 GMT -8
Apparently the only answer can be "yes". I'll go with "no", anyway. Not because I dislike the loco, but because I don't see what good it will do me. But I'm down for the SDP40F's, 'cause they were Western locos, and I saw them and I've got most (maybe all) of the cars to do an early Amtrak Empire Builder. Of the 25 P30CH's, none were based west of the Mississippi. But of the 150 SDP40F's, 25 were based at Havre, Montana (see Empire Builder, above). Ed Sorry to contradict. It seems that they were used west of the Mississippi at least according to wikipedia. They were leased to SP in 1978 for the peninsula commute between SF and San Jose. They were also used on the sunset limited into the mid 80s and also in Caltrain commuter services. Although they are in the right era for me, Auto train is little south of my modeling focus. Does anyone know if the P30CH or the SDP40F ever run anywhere in the north east pulling amfleets or even other car types? They ran on The train across Texas back in the 90s
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Post by atsfan on Nov 4, 2015 11:19:15 GMT -8
Apparently the only answer can be "yes". I'll go with "no", anyway. Not because I dislike the loco, but because I don't see what good it will do me. But I'm down for the SDP40F's, 'cause they were Western locos, and I saw them and I've got most (maybe all) of the cars to do an early Amtrak Empire Builder. Of the 25 P30CH's, none were based west of the Mississippi. But of the 150 SDP40F's, 25 were based at Havre, Montana (see Empire Builder, above). Ed Sorry to contradict. It seems that they were used west of the Mississippi at least according to wikipedia. They were leased to SP in 1978 for the peninsula commute between SF and San Jose. They were also used on the sunset limited into the mid 80s and also in Caltrain commuter services. Although they are in the right era for me, Auto train is little south of my modeling focus. Does anyone know if the P30CH or the SDP40F ever run anywhere in the north east pulling amfleets or even other car types? In regular service, no
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Post by Tom on Nov 4, 2015 13:25:53 GMT -8
Sorry to contradict. It seems that they were used west of the Mississippi at least according to wikipedia. They were leased to SP in 1978 for the peninsula commute between SF and San Jose. They were also used on the sunset limited into the mid 80s and also in Caltrain commuter services. Although they are in the right era for me, Auto train is little south of my modeling focus. Does anyone know if the P30CH or the SDP40F ever run anywhere in the north east pulling amfleets or even other car types? In regular service, no They did. They were assigned to the then new Amfleet trains, The Blue Ridge, Hilltopper and Shenandoah (based out of DC), and some out of Chicago (Valpo Dummy). By the 80's (in phase III paint) they were used on the Sunset, the City and the AutoTrain. They died there too. Served until the early 90's (think they last ran in '91-92) Chicago: www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=306663&nseq=35On the Blue Ridge: www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=444239&nseq=6Shenandoah: www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=389946&nseq=11They worked on others too... Palmetto: www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=374827&nseq=12Anybody know what ever happened to the American GK P30CH tooling?.. -Tom
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Post by kcjones on Nov 4, 2015 13:31:28 GMT -8
The P30s were regular power for the City of NO and the Sunset and all were based out of New Orleans. The Autotrain was the only other regular assignment until retired. I know a lot of people thought they were ugly, but it would have been nice if one could have been saved. They still looked pretty good when I saw them sitting in the deadline at New Orleans. Pooch deadline in New Orleans
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Post by edwardsutorik on Nov 4, 2015 13:56:19 GMT -8
FWIW:
On July 1, 1977, assignments for P30CH:
Woodcrest, IL quantity 12 Ivy City, DC quantity 12 down for repairs quantity 1
Ed
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Post by Donnell Wells on Nov 4, 2015 14:45:39 GMT -8
YES!
Contrary to popular belief, the P30ch found its way unto quite a few Amtrak trains from the late 70s to the 90s.
The Palmetto The State House The Silver Meteor The Shawnee The Panama Limited The Sunset Limited The Southwest Chief The Auto Train The San Diegans The Coast Starlight The Empire Builder The Mountaineer The Cardinal The Shenandoah The Blue Ridge The Illini The Blackhawk SP Commutes The Illinois Zephyr The Spirit of New Orleans The Texas Eagle The Hoosier State The San Francisco Zephyr
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Post by edwardsutorik on Nov 4, 2015 15:25:14 GMT -8
And the North Coast Hiawatha.
Ed
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Post by Donnell Wells on Nov 4, 2015 16:15:20 GMT -8
This poll is not titled correctly I have no need for any Most Amtrak modelers don't either I saw them in New Mexico and Texas back in the day. This is an utterly clueless statement...
Any self-respecting Amtrak fan that models Amtrak between 1974 and 1992 could use this locomotive on almost any train Amtrak ran during that period.
Donnell
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Post by atsfan on Nov 4, 2015 16:24:11 GMT -8
He asked anout Northeast. That was what I commented on.
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Post by atsfan on Nov 4, 2015 16:27:28 GMT -8
This poll is not titled correctly I have no need for any Most Amtrak modelers don't either I saw them in New Mexico and Texas back in the day. This is an utterly clueless statement...
Any self-respecting Amtrak fan that models Amtrak between 1974 and 1992 could use this locomotive on almost any train Amtrak ran during that period.
DonnellIt isnt utterly cluless at all. This engine was rare and little used compared to others. Not to mention gone for a long time. If it was so popular one would have been made by now.
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Post by roadkill on Nov 4, 2015 16:47:03 GMT -8
This is an utterly clueless statement...
Any self-respecting Amtrak fan that models Amtrak between 1974 and 1992 could use this locomotive on almost any train Amtrak ran during that period.
DonnellIt isnt utterly cluless at all. This engine was rare and little used compared to others. Not to mention gone for a long time. If it was so popular one would have been made by now. Yes, your comment IS utterly clueless, as are the vast majority you make. The same "if it was so popular" crap could be said about a lot of models... such as "If a Genesis level SD40-2 was so popular it would have been built". yet NO ONE wants to make one. See how easy that was?
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Post by roadkill on Nov 4, 2015 16:51:40 GMT -8
And for the record put me down as a "Yes". If it's a high quality casting with etched parts then I'm all in. Probably for a pair.
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Post by theengineshed on Nov 4, 2015 17:27:15 GMT -8
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