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Post by conley4760 on Sept 6, 2012 8:11:15 GMT -8
Just saw this on facebook via trainlife sharing a twitter link from Kato.
Unfortunately it is probably N-Scale : (
Picture of a Burlington E-5! Maybe it translates into HO stuff??
Here's a link:
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Post by calzephyr on Sept 6, 2012 8:34:24 GMT -8
Just saw this on facebook via trainlife sharing a twitter link from Kato. Unfortunately it is probably N-Scale : ( Picture of a Burlington E-5! Maybe it translates into HO stuff?? Here's a link: /photo/1/large That does look very nice!!!! It looks to be plated also which would be the best to simulate the stainless look. It probably is N scale but I picked up the GS4 and train in N scale along with the Zephyr train in N scale also. Both trains are very nice and run like the best of any HO scale ever produced. I would guess that Kato has the corner on great running N scale models. Anyone know why the link does not work directly? Larry |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Sept 6, 2012 8:49:46 GMT -8
'Cause it wasn't surrounded by the bracketed url trick. /photo/1/largeMust be N--it's got cast on ladder grabs. I don't think anyone would try that in HO today. Ed |
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Post by Brakie on Sept 6, 2012 9:10:38 GMT -8
Must be N--it's got cast on ladder grabs. I don't think anyone would try that in HO today.
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Indeed..The E-6 is wee scale not HO.
I agree I can't see any HO manufacturer releasing a new locomotive in HO with cast on grabs.
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Post by calzephyr on Sept 6, 2012 10:46:36 GMT -8
Must be N--it's got cast on ladder grabs. I don't think anyone would try that in HO today. Ed ----------------------------- Indeed..The E-6 is wee scale not HO. I agree I can't see any HO manufacturer releasing a new locomotive in HO with cast on grabs. |
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Post by calzephyr on Sept 6, 2012 10:49:13 GMT -8
Kato is interested in N scale first and then HO. Those cast on hand rails would should have been left off so they could be installed correctly by the user.
Thanks Ed for the link activation!
Larry
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Post by onequiknova on Sept 6, 2012 12:42:15 GMT -8
It's definitely N scale. They announced it a few weeks back. Holy smokes, it is a beautifully done model though. I'm jealous. That nose and windshield look better than any HO scale E6 done to date.
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Sept 6, 2012 13:20:15 GMT -8
Interesting trucks, streamlining skirts?
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Post by onequiknova on Sept 6, 2012 13:30:45 GMT -8
Interesting trucks, streamlining skirts? Yup! Skirts over a standard E unit truck. They didn't last too long though. They were a maintenance nightmare. |
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Post by bdhicks on Sept 6, 2012 17:05:54 GMT -8
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Post by Brakie on Sept 6, 2012 17:31:13 GMT -8
Kato is interested in N scale first and then HO. Those cast on hand rails would should have been left off so they could be installed correctly by the user. Thanks Ed for the link activation! Larry Serious N Scalers will remove those cast on handrails and replace them with wire handrails. There's a lot of super detailing going on in the wee scale. ;D |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Sept 6, 2012 17:49:32 GMT -8
Serious N Scalers will remove those cast on handrails and replace them with wire handrails. That's going to be a problem on a plated loco. And, speaking of that nose: It looks like a rather huge horizontal seam between the top of the nose and the side. I'm squinting as hard as I can to make it a shadow or highlight, but my little brain ain't buying it. Ed |
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Post by drolsen on Sept 6, 2012 21:31:15 GMT -8
Must be N--it's got cast on ladder grabs. Probably the best indicator would be the lined notepad underneath the model. Dave |
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Post by antoniofp45 on Sept 7, 2012 1:31:49 GMT -8
Very nice looking unit, but I would really like to see photos of the model in natural outdoor light. Even with the bias factors that photos present, outdoor photos for metalized models are much more helpful for us in gauging the finish's appearance. www.flickr.com/photos/fireofthemind/5174324936/in/photostream/ |
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Post by onequiknova on Sept 7, 2012 4:20:40 GMT -8
Serious N Scalers will remove those cast on handrails and replace them with wire handrails. That's going to be a problem on a plated loco. And, speaking of that nose: It looks like a rather huge horizontal seam between the top of the nose and the side. I'm squinting as hard as I can to make it a shadow or highlight, but my little brain ain't buying it. Ed I saw that too but wrote it off as a reflection. It doesn't look like a "hard" enough line to be a casting seam. I guess we'll find out soon when they hit the streets. |
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Post by gbc636 on Sept 10, 2012 7:34:38 GMT -8
Just looked at the Kato website and they have photos of the E5's, and those mold lines on the nose are there, on both sides. It comes out to the class light and then angles down to the bottom of the pilot. Is Kato slipping on their quality? Doesn't seem like them. Thought they were better than that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2012 7:38:33 GMT -8
Just looked at the Kato website and they have photos of the E5's, and those mold lines on the nose are there, on both sides. It comes out to the class light and then angles down to the bottom of the pilot. Is Kato slipping on their quality? Doesn't seem like them. Thought they were better than that. Remember the part lines on the nose of the Stewart/Kato F-units? |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Sept 10, 2012 8:46:04 GMT -8
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND why manufacturers don't have their assemblers sand these lines down. I passed on the BLI SP&S E7 because of that.
And if this was just a "test shot", Kato SURELY should have before presenting it to the world. Unless, of course, they expect to leave the lines. Then, it's being honest.
I just went over to the N forum and find no mention of this new locomotive. D'ya s'pose we should tell them? Nahhhh.....
Ed
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Post by calzephyr on Sept 10, 2012 8:49:27 GMT -8
Just looked at the Kato website and they have photos of the E5's, and those mold lines on the nose are there, on both sides. It comes out to the class light and then angles down to the bottom of the pilot. Is Kato slipping on their quality? Doesn't seem like them. Thought they were better than that. I would hope this pre-production body is a test unit, which it is and the production body would be buffed to remove the lines prior to the plating! Maybe we should all email Kato quickly to remind them that this is not so great. I went on the Katousa site and sent an email to point out the mold line distracts from the beauty of the unit. We will see when the production models hit the market. Larry |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2012 11:42:07 GMT -8
I went on the Katousa site and sent an email to point out the mold line distracts from the beauty of the unit. Larry And you think this will do what?  ? Don't you know.....Kato doesn't make mistakes........ To this VERY DAY!!!!! Kato still says there was NEVER a PROBLEM with the power pick up on the first run of the SD40-2's. Even though dealers had units which were DOA on their store shelves and customers wanting to beat their dealers over the head with their brand new non functioning models!!!, Kato turned their back on the issue and did nothing. I little mold line on the nose of the E5 can't be high on Kato's list of things to do. Kato will do what Kato wants to do.....the customer's opinion is not wanted nor welcome! |
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Post by onequiknova on Sept 10, 2012 12:42:55 GMT -8
That seam looks horrible. It looks like a pain to sand out with all the rivets and raised detail around it too. Fortunately for me it's N scale.
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Post by riogrande on Sept 10, 2012 13:56:57 GMT -8
Well, some companies refuse to admit fault - maybe it's part of the asian culture of "saving face".
BTW, I have two of those old SD40-2's original in the box - maybe some day I'll have to deal with the electrical problems and/or re-wire them. Wasn't there a kit or something to fix it?
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Post by gbc636 on Sept 10, 2012 15:38:36 GMT -8
Kato sold a retro fit kit, not sure if they are still in stock with them. You might want to check their parts page.
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Post by riogrande on Sept 10, 2012 16:41:34 GMT -8
Kato sold a retro fit kit, not sure if they are still in stock with them. You might want to check their parts page. Found it - $10 smackers to fix something that was their fault but... 968001 HO Hard Wire Kit (Truck Bearing Plate, 2pc), 2 ea -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HO-Scale / Fits: SD40-2 |
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Post by calzephyr on Sept 10, 2012 17:23:04 GMT -8
That seam looks horrible. It looks like a pain to sand out with all the rivets and raised detail around it too. Fortunately for me it's N scale. The seam is impossible to get rid of after the unit is plated to look like stainless steel. I emailed Kato and asked them to consider fixing this before the plating or paint of whatever they are using to make this unit look like stainless steel. It does not hurt to ask. I am in HO but have several N scale items and would purchase this one if it is fixed correctly. Larry |
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Post by onequiknova on Sept 10, 2012 17:53:08 GMT -8
I understand that. All I'm saying is sanding away that seam while dodging all the surrounding detail on an N scale shell no less, would be time consuming and difficult.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2012 7:38:52 GMT -8
I understand that. All I'm saying is sanding away that seam while dodging all the surrounding detail on an N scale shell no less, would be time consuming and difficult. Kato never sanded the big old part lines on the F-unit shells they produced for Stewart. I did a couple of the Stewart/Kato shells a few months ago and can tell you that even in HO sanding those seams is time consuming. Kato marches to the beat of its own drum. What we see as a problem, they have no comment. What we see as okay, they don't understand. Years ago my friend when he still had his hobby shop talked to the head of Kato North America at a trade show about doing their three pack of ACF covered hoppers in Virginian, with the third car being painted for N&W. He explained to Kato that the Virginian only had two ACF covered hoppers. So he recommended adding an N&W painted ACF hopper to complete the set, since N&W took over the Virginian. The head of Kato responded "It's a three car set, and there is no third car". My friend again said "VGN only had two of the hoppers and add an N&W painted car to fill out the three car set". Again, Kato responded "we still need a third car as we ONLY do three car sets." He then asked Kato why they don't offer the ACF hoppers as single cars, instead of three car sets. Kato responded "Because we do three car sets". He gave up. |
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Post by garr on Sept 11, 2012 8:57:07 GMT -8
I went on the Katousa site and sent an email to point out the mold line distracts from the beauty of the unit. Larry And you think this will do what? ? Don't you know.....Kato doesn't make mistakes........ To this VERY DAY!!!!! Kato still says there was NEVER a PROBLEM with the power pick up on the first run of the SD40-2's. Even though dealers had units which were DOA on their store shelves and customers wanting to beat their dealers over the head with their brand new non functioning models!!!, Kato turned their back on the issue and did nothing. I little mold line on the nose of the E5 can't be high on Kato's list of things to do. Kato will do what Kato wants to do.....the customer's opinion is not wanted nor welcome! Jim, Kato did finally offer the rewire kit for the SD40-2's. Can't remember the part # but I bought them from KATO. The key word being "bought". These seem to do the trick. Jay |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2012 11:30:26 GMT -8
Jim, Kato did finally offer the rewire kit for the SD40-2's. Can't remember the part # but I bought them from KATO. The key word being "bought". Jay IF in Kato's mind there was NO problem then why offer the retrofit? Secondly, WHY should the customer HAVE to BUY a kit if their model is dead in the water out of the box? Again, Kato does what Kato is going to do......and our opinion is neither requested or appreciated.......  |
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