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Post by atsfan on Sept 12, 2012 12:04:26 GMT -8
Many of the east bound BNSF trains now stop at the top of the hill (Summit) and wait for a signal to proceed to Barstow? Why is this? Seems odd to stop trains still coming up the grade. Is this to cross them over from the left tracks to the right track? Eastbound Ethanol trains via BNSF? Where do these come/go to/from ? The old SP track (Palmdale Cutoff). Still used, but how often? Does UP still use the BNSF (ATSF) tracks up and down the hill also? Thanks  |
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Post by calzephyr on Sept 12, 2012 13:43:26 GMT -8
Many of the east bound BNSF trains now stop at the top of the hill (Summit) and wait for a signal to proceed to Barstow? Why is this? Seems odd to stop trains still coming up the grade. Is this to cross them over from the left tracks to the right track? Eastbound Ethanol trains via BNSF? Where do these come/go to/from ? The old SP track (Palmdale Cutoff). Still used, but how often? Does UP still use the BNSF (ATSF) tracks up and down the hill also? Thanks There are three tracks (BNSF) on the west side to Summit and two tracks down to Victorville. Sometimes a train has to wait depending on what track they came up hill on. The UP owns the Palmdale Cutoff track and it is used for several trains a day. If they do not crossover at Silverwood, the UP trains continue to Palmdale and then North to the Valley line to Oakland, Roseville or Portland. Sometimes, the UP trains use the crossover at Silverwood onto the BNSF tracks if they are preceeding to Salt Lake City and beyond. I don't have a clue to the Ethanol trains. Cajon is as busy as it gets in California for freight trains. On my last trip down there, I got a picture from Silverwood that has four different trains in the picture! CZ |
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Post by atsfan on Sept 14, 2012 15:51:35 GMT -8
I saw a refinery down in Long Beach. My guess is the Ethanol goes there for blending and the east bound train is empty back to the mid west............
Fullerton is a great spot to see action!
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Sept 14, 2012 17:34:39 GMT -8
Gasoline is actually blended in with the ethanol at the still before it ever leaves the property. I saw a gas tanker at the ethanol facility a couple miles down the road yesterday.
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Post by atsfan on Sept 15, 2012 17:01:05 GMT -8
Gasoline is actually blended in with the ethanol at the still before it ever leaves the property. I saw a gas tanker at the ethanol facility a couple miles down the road yesterday. Wouldn't that mean in Long Beach they would need the ethanol tank train full to blend into the gasoline, onsite? |
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Post by atsfan on Sept 15, 2012 17:01:39 GMT -8
BTW, BNSF was ALL GE engines. Not an EMD engine to be found. All Gevo's, and similar............
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Post by wsor on Sept 18, 2012 12:18:16 GMT -8
Gasoline is actually blended in with the ethanol at the still before it ever leaves the property. I saw a gas tanker at the ethanol facility a couple miles down the road yesterday. The mixture in the tank cars is E98, just enough gasoline in there to kill a person if they drank it.   Otherwise, the moonshine would have to be taxed as such, instead of motor fuel. The ethanol cannot go through the pipelines and such, would soak up water and other stuff and be unusable. The ethanol gets blended at the refinery to make E10 gasoline that you get at the pumps. |
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