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Post by dreadnought on May 23, 2017 16:49:53 GMT -8
Hello! You may have seen my earlier Baldwin 'Babyface' thread on this forum. In that thread, I was gauging interest for a shell kit for a Baldwin DR-4-4-1500 diesel. The experience with that survey has taught me a few things about what not to do in this business. Interest in that shell is unfortunately low, so now I want to know what sort of diesel shells you would like to see in HO Scale. These shells would have to fit on existing chassis, but will hopefully be able to fit over multiple types of chassis rather than only one. Rather than having a survey, as I did last time, if I believe one shell is sufficiently popular I will set up a pre-order form for it. If enough pre-orders are received, the shell will be produced. Here are a few ideas I have had on this topic. FM H-20-44Fairbanks Morse's first road switcher, the FM H-20-44 was used by several larger railroads because of its 2,000 HP rating. Unusually for a roadswitcher, it did not feature a short hood. Used by: Union Pacific Pennsylvania New York Central Akron, Canton & Youngstown Pittsburgh & West Virginia This shell would fit over an ALCO FA chassis, since that chassis provides the most correct axle spacing. EMD NW-5
A unique EMD unit developed along the lines of the RS-1. Used by: Southern Union Belt of Detroit Great Northern This shell would fit over a GP chassis. Please tell me any ideas you have, I'd love to hear them. Thank you for your feedback, Dreadnought
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Post by The Ferro Kid on May 23, 2017 17:59:58 GMT -8
I'll throw in these ideas:
Lima LS-1000 switcher (not sure what chassis might fit):
Armco Steel (3) Baltimore & Ohio (10) Erie (10) New York Central (6) Nickel Plate Road (4) Toledo, Peoria and Western (3) Wabash (2)
Lima LS-1200 switcher (not sure what chassis might fit):
Armco Steel (3) Baltimore & Ohio (24) Erie (6) Chicago River and Indiana (New York Central) (6) New York, New Haven and Hartford (10) Nickel Plate Road (4) Terminal Railroad Association of St. Louis (6) Wabash (10)
GE U30CG (only ATSF had them, and then only 6; should fit Atlas U30C chassis)
Krauss-Maffei cab units (D&RGW and SP) (can be made to fit over Atlas U30C chassis, truck side frames are radically different, axle spacing ends up slightly off)
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Post by milgentrains on May 23, 2017 18:22:42 GMT -8
With all the interest an SW-1001 would be a natural. It should fit Athearn's SW-1500 chassis.
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Post by bobelliott on May 23, 2017 18:52:29 GMT -8
NW-5 would be cool.
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Post by bluedash2 on May 23, 2017 18:54:17 GMT -8
With all the interest an SW-1001 would be a natural. It should fit Athearn's SW-1500 chassis. Not quite. The 1001's have a different fuel tank and air resivior.
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Post by 12bridge on May 23, 2017 19:13:34 GMT -8
I do believe they ride lower on the chassis also.
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Post by edwardsutorik on May 23, 2017 20:16:34 GMT -8
A decent NW5 will need new fuel tanks plus the exposed frame.
A Geep chassis and fuel tanks will look ridiculous.
Ed
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Post by GP40P-2 on May 23, 2017 21:56:50 GMT -8
The H20-44 will likely NOT easily fit a FA chassis; the FA chassis is for a wide cowl unit and with the road switcher walkways on the H20, a lot of grinding would be required. You might want to have a chassis produced to go with the shell, then the buyer could take a donor FA for the trucks, motor, etc and drop them onto the new chassis.
Interesting ideas that you have, keep at it, and don't get frustrated, though I may not be helping with this post!
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Post by Brakie on May 24, 2017 0:55:06 GMT -8
A GP8 or GP11 that fits the P2K GP7/9 drive.
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Post by edwardsutorik on May 24, 2017 6:23:52 GMT -8
So, it appears both these locos will need a fresh frame. And/or fuel tanks, etc.
Coming to mind would be a flat metal one. I've had stuff done with waterjet, and it is shockingly cheap.
Ed
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Post by dreadnought on May 24, 2017 8:49:45 GMT -8
Ed,
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by a flat metal frame. How does that work?
Ferro Kid,
I like your idea on the Lima LS-1000 and 1200. The carbody for both was identical so you would only need one model to replicate both. I believe it might fit on a Baldwin or Alco switcher of some description.
Regards,
Dreadnought
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Post by edwardsutorik on May 24, 2017 9:10:45 GMT -8
Ed, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by a flat metal frame. How does that work? Here's an example: I believe it's typical of many/most brass diesels. Note that it's pretty much a thick sheet of metal with holes--perfect for waterjet. Ed
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Post by BEDT26 on May 24, 2017 9:29:23 GMT -8
I would love to see the EMD SW1001...
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Post by craigz on May 24, 2017 10:04:49 GMT -8
Second the Lima switchers; the later phase (eg, the Train Master style) FM H16-44 as currently done (albeit poorly) by Bachmann; and the variants of the Illinois Central's home grown SW-14 switchers and the UP's SW-10s as both were ubiquitous in the second hand market. The SW-14 and SW-10 are just weird enough to make them tough to kitbash yet they'll fit nicely on the Proto switcher mechanisms which are smooth running and very affordable.
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Post by chessie77 on May 24, 2017 10:23:29 GMT -8
I wish you well in this endeavor. Here are a few more ideas for you. An Alco S6 or T6. These would fit on an Atlas or Bachmann chassis. A late phase Alco RS11 which you would only need to to the long hood and would fit on an Atlas or Proto chassis. These were owned by D&H, NP, MP, and SP to name some roads off the top of my head. Good luck.
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Post by BEDT26 on May 24, 2017 15:42:00 GMT -8
I wish you well in this endeavor. Here are a few more ideas for you. An Alco S6 or T6. These would fit on an Atlas or Bachmann chassis. A late phase Alco RS11 which you would only need to to the long hood and would fit on an Atlas or Proto chassis. These were owned by D&H, NP, MP, and SP to name some roads off the top of my head. Good luck. Chessie 77 I totally agree with you about the S6, T6 and the late phase RS11 would also be great.👍👍👍
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Post by roadkill on May 24, 2017 17:06:57 GMT -8
I might add the P30CH as well.
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Post by stevef45 on May 24, 2017 20:30:07 GMT -8
GP40PH-2 can make several variants for NJ Transit, MBTA, MARC, CDOT.
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Post by lvrr325 on May 25, 2017 1:40:29 GMT -8
JJL Models was doing a Lima switcher and had it in at least a prototype stage. Given their other products being Erie Lackawanna related I presume it's correct for the Erie.
Proto's FA chassis is more or less flat, I don't know why a switcher body wouldn't go on it, especially one with as thick a side beam as that FM.
An SW1001 made to fit say a Proto SW1200 chassis would probably sell a ton, and a GE E44 electric would also likely sell a large quantity. Never been done outside of brass. Could be made to fit the Rivarossi U25C chassis, although those will dry up in supply sooner or later.
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Post by GP40P-2 on May 25, 2017 8:30:26 GMT -8
JJL Models was doing a Lima switcher and had it in at least a prototype stage. Given their other products being Erie Lackawanna related I presume it's correct for the Erie. Proto's FA chassis is more or less flat, I don't know why a switcher body wouldn't go on it, especially one with as thick a side beam as that FM. An SW1001 made to fit say a Proto SW1200 chassis would probably sell a ton, and a GE E44 electric would also likely sell a large quantity. Never been done outside of brass. Could be made to fit the Rivarossi U25C chassis, although those will dry up in supply sooner or later. But the Korea Brass U25B chassis should live on for some time I have not owned a Proto FA in probably 15+ years, so this is good news for Dreadnought that the frame is relatively flat. I thought that I had remembered it more like a F chassis. It might be a good idea for him to acquire some of the drives that he is referencing and see what will work. There have been several references to the SW1001 in this thread, has the Shapeways offering that is over on the SW1001 build thread been written off as that bad? I know that he hasn't given any real close up photos yet, but in the pictures that he has posted, it appears as good as any potential resin offering (unless Rail Yard comes back and makes it!!).
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Post by csxt8400 on May 25, 2017 9:11:03 GMT -8
SDL39 and C39-8 come to mind.
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Post by craigz on May 25, 2017 9:58:46 GMT -8
JJL Models was doing a Lima switcher and had it in at least a prototype stage. Given their other products being Erie Lackawanna related I presume it's correct for the Erie. Proto's FA chassis is more or less flat, I don't know why a switcher body wouldn't go on it, especially one with as thick a side beam as that FM. An SW1001 made to fit say a Proto SW1200 chassis would probably sell a ton, and a GE E44 electric would also likely sell a large quantity. Never been done outside of brass. Could be made to fit the Rivarossi U25C chassis, although those will dry up in supply sooner or later. But the Korea Brass U25B chassis should live on for some time I have not owned a Proto FA in probably 15+ years, so this is good news for Dreadnought that the frame is relatively flat. I thought that I had remembered it more like a F chassis. It might be a good idea for him to acquire some of the drives that he is referencing and see what will work. There have been several references to the SW1001 in this thread, has the Shapeways offering that is over on the SW1001 build thread been written off as that bad? I know that he hasn't given any real close up photos yet, but in the pictures that he has posted, it appears as good as any potential resin offering (unless Rail Yard comes back and makes it!!). The FA and FA2 frames are basically dead flat save for the bolsters; all the extra weight and stuff is screwed to the frame. Another idea is the center cab Baldwins and the Lima T2500. Most all of them used Commonwealth C trucks as made by Bowser; fit them to a stamped steel frame and Bob's your uncle...
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Post by SCL618 on May 25, 2017 14:38:22 GMT -8
Late U28C and early U30C.
The old blue box is all we have for these models.
Late U28C owners include L&N, PRR, SP, and UP. While early U30C owners include ACL,C&O, D&H, PRR, and RDG. Also included are Seaboard System, SCL, Chessie, Conrail, and PC.
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on May 25, 2017 16:55:08 GMT -8
EMD NW-5
A unique EMD unit developed along the lines of the RS-1. Used by: Southern Union Belt of Detroit Great Northern This shell would fit over a GP chassis. The truck centers between the NW5 and GP9/7 are within about 2" but, the GP7/9 is over three feet longer and has a very distinctive fish belly frame and fuel tank. I'll second the motion that an NW5 body on a GP9 chassis would look ridiculous. Plus the GP walkway is four feet taller than the NW5. Need a frame for NW5.
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Post by edwardsutorik on May 25, 2017 17:55:21 GMT -8
As I just said in the Lima topic, I'd consider buying a body and building my own drive.
Ed
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Post by roadkill on May 25, 2017 17:56:37 GMT -8
How about an SD18?
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Post by dti406 on May 26, 2017 7:06:46 GMT -8
Hello! Rather than having a survey, as I did last time, if I believe one shell is sufficiently popular I will set up a pre-order form for it. If enough pre-orders are received, the shell will be produced. Here are a few ideas I have had on this topic. FM H-20-44Fairbanks Morse's first road switcher, the FM H-20-44 was used by several larger railroads because of its 2,000 HP rating. Unusually for a roadswitcher, it did not feature a short hood. Used by: Union Pacific Pennsylvania New York Central Akron, Canton & Youngstown Pittsburgh & West Virginia This shell would fit over an ALCO FA chassis, since that chassis provides the most correct axle spacing. Please tell me any ideas you have, I'd love to hear them. Thank you for your feedback, Dreadnought I just received an update from the "New" Hobbytown of Boston, and they have been contacted by a club in the Midwest and is the process of building a chassis and resin shell for the FM H-20-44. Rick Jesionowski
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Post by Spikre on May 26, 2017 10:35:26 GMT -8
EMD NW5: the BB GP35 frame seems to have been the frame used on several conversions mentioned in magazines over the years. maybe not perfect,but a quick way to a running model. Spikre
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Post by oldmuley on May 26, 2017 14:40:42 GMT -8
Sign me up for 2 or 3 SDL39's please!
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Post by roadkill on May 26, 2017 16:50:22 GMT -8
Sign me up for 2 or 3 SDL39's please! Kaslo's already done the SDL39 and they did it quite well.
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