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Post by edwardsutorik on Apr 20, 2018 15:45:14 GMT -8
I don’t believe that model railroad manufacturers patent or copyright any of their models. Since 1975, anyway, they don't have to. The item is automatically copyrighted when produced. |
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Apr 20, 2018 16:17:03 GMT -8
I don’t believe that model railroad manufacturers patent or copyright any of their models. Since 1975, anyway, they don't have to. The item is automatically copyrighted when produced. Concerning the Dawg, didn't Jason of Rapido give him a cease and desist on his cloning of the Rapido F40-PH? |
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Post by Judge Doom on Apr 20, 2018 17:01:16 GMT -8
Since 1975, anyway, they don't have to. The item is automatically copyrighted when produced. Concerning the Dawg, didn't Jason of Rapido give him a cease and desist on his cloning of the Rapido F40-PH? Artur would probably know, he's the one that took the Rapido F40PH-2D shell and modified it for BDO to cast, as well as grafting Highliner's F-unit nose and ends onto the Broadway shell for BDO's E8 shells. The Diesel Detailer board threads may be gone, but some of us remember seeing the build thread and people questioning the legality of it all. I wonder what Paul Lubliner would think after all the work, time and effort he put into designing his nose in the first place. |
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Post by MONSTERRAILROAD on Apr 20, 2018 21:47:01 GMT -8
This was a great advertisement for that dude. I had forgotten all about him till you posted the lovely link to his product for sale. You don't do this kind of great advertising for me yo, whats up with that?
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Post by stottman on Apr 21, 2018 0:02:15 GMT -8
From researching copyright law (as a layman for books), during a copyright suit, basically you have to prove how much money due to the violation. That could be impossible, if it's an indirect copy like a kitbashed shell.
Otherwise, the default judgement is basically a few hundred bucks. Or about 1 hour of attorney labor.
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Post by lvrr325 on Apr 21, 2018 0:20:53 GMT -8
They also make a chassis for the Baldwin designed to use a P1K DL109 for the drive. They don't state but a picture shows you need to make up at least one driveshaft for it.
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Post by tankcarsrule on Apr 21, 2018 4:35:47 GMT -8
I plan on buying one of each of his shells. I'll use them to kit bash a 53 Hudson Hornet.
Mr. B
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Apr 21, 2018 7:08:35 GMT -8
This was a great advertisement for that dude. I had forgotten all about him till you posted the lovely link to his product for sale. You don't do this kind of great advertising for me yo, whats up with that? People here are not trying to put nails in your coffin, unlike the Dawg. You actually produce a product which serves a good purpose. You are not taking Atlas LED's, for example, repackaging and calling them your own product. Plus your stuff has quality. |
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Apr 21, 2018 7:11:33 GMT -8
They also make a chassis for the Baldwin designed to use a P1K DL109 for the drive. They don't state but a picture shows you need to make up at least one driveshaft for it. Those pesky details which people miss. Think that this shell and frame(cast too?) are going to be an easy, quick down and dirty build. After reality sets in the stuff gets stuffed in a drawer. |
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Apr 21, 2018 7:16:38 GMT -8
Artur would probably know, he's the one that took the Rapido F40PH-2D shell and modified it for BDO to cast, as well as grafting Highliner's F-unit nose and ends onto the Broadway shell for BDO's E8 shells. The Diesel Detailer board threads may be gone, but some of us remember seeing the build thread and people questioning the legality of it all. I wonder what Paul Lubliner would think after all the work, time and effort he put into designing his nose in the first place. To add insult to injury in the Highliner/Broadway graft is that this forum's very own John Tyson(onequiknova) had done it first and shared the build with this group. Remember the idiom "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery". |
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Post by Judge Doom on Apr 21, 2018 8:28:00 GMT -8
This was a great advertisement for that dude. I had forgotten all about him till you posted the lovely link to his product for sale. You don't do this kind of great advertising for me yo, whats up with that? Once you get your Canadian cylindical hoppers straight and compare the model to the actual model's prototype, we can talk bro.  Until then, you seem far more capable than me of doing your own shilling sorry, advertising, on threads where it's completely off-topic. |
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Post by MONSTERRAILROAD on Apr 21, 2018 11:40:52 GMT -8
This was a great advertisement for that dude. I had forgotten all about him till you posted the lovely link to his product for sale. You don't do this kind of great advertising for me yo, whats up with that? People here are not trying to put nails in your coffin, unlike the Dawg. You actually produce a product which serves a good purpose. You are not taking Atlas LED's, for example, repackaging and calling them your own product. Plus your stuff has quality. Thanks man! I do take pride in making my all of my products especially my LEDs. I have been investing much time and research into each state of my Monster License Plates. I am spending so much time on each state so that the most popular automotive are covered from as early as the 1980's to present. I have been recently making sure to add state police license plates and now commercial license plates as well. I just redid the whole state of California to add those and to make sure that every license plate is different. I am only up to about 16 states now. I have about 30 states to go! Sheesh! |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Apr 21, 2018 12:49:39 GMT -8
From researching copyright law (as a layman for books), during a copyright suit, basically you have to prove how much money due to the violation. That could be impossible, if it's an indirect copy like a kitbashed shell. Otherwise, the default judgement is basically a few hundred bucks. Or about 1 hour of attorney labor. You can sue for his profits on the sale of the items he copied. Whether that's net or gross, I don't know. Obviously, you ask for gross. In this case, I agree it won't be much. However, if you REGISTER the copyright, you can sue for just about anything you can think of. And the judge/jury will consider that. You might also get some kind of stop order from the court. Then, if he keeps doing it, he can do jail time for contempt of court. Ed |
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Post by bar on Apr 21, 2018 15:26:34 GMT -8
This was a great advertisement for that dude. I had forgotten all about him till you posted the lovely link to his product for sale. You don't do this kind of great advertising for me yo, whats up with that? Only when you stop ruining people's photos at Rochelle, and sending vulgar emails to other hard-working hobby manufacturers. |
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Post by jbilbrey on Apr 21, 2018 21:29:13 GMT -8
Those pesky details which people miss. Think that this shell and frame(cast too?) are going to be an easy, quick down and dirty build. After reality sets in the stuff gets stuffed in a drawer. Agreed. Just because someone thinks they are getting a "deal" by starting with an inexpensive product does not equal to money [and time] saved. Often times when one starts off with a sub-par product, the end result is a sub-par finished model with a lot of time, parts, and $$$ trying to make it look presentable. A good job applying details, paints, and decals will not hide incorrect angles, curves, and proportions. And, fixing these will often just highlight other problems that will need to be fixing as well - increasing the build time and the budget. |
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Post by MONSTERRAILROAD on Apr 21, 2018 21:44:21 GMT -8
Hey yo, OBVIOUSLY I was being sarcastic with my statement and I DO NOT need any advertising done for me. I would ask you what you were talking about and what are you trying to say but that would only be if I gave a crap. So since I do not give a crap, carry on.
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Post by GP40P-2 on Apr 22, 2018 19:24:25 GMT -8
This is so easily resolveable. These shells are total crap, and have un-done years of advancement in resin casting, i.e. Railyard, Sunshine, et al.
Respect you hard earned money and don't buy junk, and Dawg, CMR, Putterman, whatever will go away. Friends don't let friends buy/run crap (or laugh at them when they do!!).
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Post by lvrr325 on Apr 23, 2018 1:31:22 GMT -8
I'd kind of like to see one of these in person.
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Post by roadkill on Apr 23, 2018 6:24:29 GMT -8
I'd kind of like to see one of these in person. I have. Yuck. |
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Post by grahamline on Apr 23, 2018 10:17:56 GMT -8
Bought a GP30B out of curiosity. Repop of a Bachmann GP30 shell with a high nose and skyline casing added. Tool marks that should have been cleaned up on the master and a lot of grinding to do inside and under the walkways to sit correctly on a chassis. Decided I could do better starting with a P2k shell and sold the resin one.
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Post by Mark R. on Apr 24, 2018 10:03:59 GMT -8
I was originally interested in his chop nose RS3 as I need a number of them for my roster. Even looking at the pictures, I could see it was a hack job. So many things wrong with it, I'd be better off continuing to build my own .... at least until Bowser gets them done.
Mark.
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Post by keystonefarm on Apr 25, 2018 12:55:34 GMT -8
Actually not all the shells are crap !! I picked up two of the RS-3m shells. It is a Atlas shell redone withe the PC/CR style EMD reengine details. Shell is as nice as the Atlas shells and I can use the Atlas handrails and windows to finish off the unit. It took me about 15 minutes to remove some flash and drill some holes to get them ready . I picked up two newer Atlas RS-3's to use for detail parts and mechanism so Atlas made their money as did Puttman. Until Bowser offers a RS-3m I'll use the Puttman shells to build my fleet. Since Puttman does not offer mechanism's I see no real harm in what they are doing as anyone using their shells will have to buy a mechanism which will keep the original shell designer in the business flow. --- Ken
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Post by cf7 on Apr 25, 2018 13:01:48 GMT -8
Actually not all the shells are crap !! I picked up two of the RS-3m shells. It is a Atlas shell redone withe the PC/CR style EMD reengine details. Shell is as nice as the Atlas shells and I can use the Atlas handrails and windows to finish off the unit. It took me about 15 minutes to remove some flash and drill some holes to get them ready . I picked up two newer Atlas RS-3's to use for detail parts and mechanism so Atlas made their money as did Puttman. Until Bowser offers a RS-3m I'll use the Puttman shells to build my fleet. Since Puttman does not offer mechanism's I see no real harm in what they are doing as anyone using their shells will have to buy a mechanism which will keep the original shell designer in the business flow. --- Ken Pictures? |
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Post by lvrr325 on Apr 25, 2018 23:39:17 GMT -8
My understanding is the shells are only as good as whatever the mold is cast from. Someone has him copy a nice RS3M, the end product is decent. Someone makes a high hood SD45 from an old Athearn shell and a badly assembled Cannon hood, well...
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Post by roadkill on Apr 26, 2018 4:56:59 GMT -8
My understanding is the shells are only as good as whatever the mold is cast from. Someone has him copy a nice RS3M, the end product is decent. Someone makes a high hood SD45 from an old Athearn shell and a badly assembled Cannon hood, well... Exactly. Garbage in, garbage out  . |
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Post by talltim on Apr 26, 2018 5:21:53 GMT -8
CMR also seem to do decals. Are they their orginal work?
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Post by roadkill on Apr 26, 2018 9:10:58 GMT -8
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Post by scaledriver on Apr 26, 2018 9:47:39 GMT -8
Has Walthers made a High Hood GP30? If they have, it would be easier to start with one of those actual shells it seems to me. Thank you |
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Post by carrman on Apr 26, 2018 9:53:13 GMT -8
Walthers made a very nice high hood 30.
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Post by roadkill on Apr 26, 2018 9:57:30 GMT -8
Walthers made a very nice high hood 30. Exactly. I blew up the pic of that resin turd and it's clearly based on the Walthers model, albeit the low hood one. |
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Until then, you seem far more capable than me of doing your own 
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