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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 15:01:44 GMT -8
Nothing is sacred anymore. Will Athearn execute on it? Most likely you will buy what they hand you. Will hobbyists be happy with it? For the most part probably because they do not know what is wrong with it. But Athearn hasn't released their 4600 yet. So the market is still open for it. ScalesTrains has duplicated both Tangents efforts as well as Intermountains. We the hobbyist have to decide who's is more worthy of our $$$'s. For my wallet I would put my money on Tangent hands down for the Tangent/ ScaleTrains offer and on ScaleTrains for the Intermountian/ ScaleTrains offer. All I know is in less than two weeks we will find out what it is. It is fun speculating though and it is fun to try and justify our speculation. Brian Brian: I can assure you that Scaletrains had no intention to duplicate cars with either Tangent or IMRC, however both projects were too far along to bail on either car because a competitor was also in production. They have bailed on other projects because they had an inkling or an announcement had been made about a project of interest. Personally, I would like an ACF 5250, or could see Blaine going all of on either an autorack or a 86' auto parts box. Regards, Russ Russ, my apologies if my post suggested that ScaleTrains knowingly duplicated an effort. It does go to show that if it is in the pipeline already, it is going to be released. Not wasting all those design $$$'s just because another manufacturer put the same thing out. This is where the hobbyist makes the choice and decides who fits their standards. Brian |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 15:04:11 GMT -8
All these great new cars and engines... Can we PLEASE move to scale draft gears now? Especially on engines? Please? Scale draft gears would be an EXCELLENT idea. I do not see any reason why they could not do this. Well only because they would have to design a whole new coupler for it. Or Kadee would have to. It can be done though. I mean a scale draft gear with a scale coupler shank. Brian |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 24, 2018 15:12:11 GMT -8
Scale draft gears would be an EXCELLENT idea. I do not see any reason why they could not do this. Well only because they would have to design a whole new coupler for it. Or Kadee would have to. It can be done though. I mean a scale draft gear with a scale coupler shank. Brian Perhaps something along these lines?: kadee.com/htmbord/page4.htmSergent also has something available. Ed |
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Post by SOMECALLMETIM on Jul 24, 2018 15:38:26 GMT -8
I would like to see an ACF 4460 covered hopper personally and some additional 2-bay PS covered hoppers (2950 and 3010). The long 5250 covered hopper would be neat to see also. All could fit in the packaging shown. The ACF 4460 was owned by east coast, midwest, and west coast railroads so would have been seen nationwide.
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Post by fcixdarrell on Jul 24, 2018 15:58:42 GMT -8
Scale draft gear and couplers are totally possible, but the average layout would not like them (not enough swing for "normal" radius curves) and their owners would complain BIG time that the cars wouldn't work on their layouts. Those folks are the majority of the market and the largest portion market tends to get the support since they are the ones paying the biggest chunk of the manufacturer's bills.
Kadee's 158 whisker couplers are "semi-scale" and have a narrower shank that play well with "semi-scale" draft gear and are more forgiving on standard layouts and don't generate as many complaints. Moloco and others make closer to scale draft gear for those with more refined tastes...
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Post by wp8thsub on Jul 24, 2018 18:32:19 GMT -8
Seems to me we are forgetting the Tangent Scale Models freight cars, and in actual practice, I have received much better quality (individually assembled) cars from Tangent than from ExactRail (QA/QC issues were not related to Blaine's design, but assembly issues). ...
I have yet to come across a Tangent car that had ANY assembly or paint issues. None so far. I've had to fix the following on Tangent cars, that I remember right off: - Severely buckled running board on a 4180 Airslide hopper that required me to remove and re-attach it.
- Grab irons on a PS 4750 that fell off because they weren't glued in place.
- Crooked steps on a Bethlehem quad hopper that had to be removed and re-installed straight.
All of these were essentially minor issues that could be fixed easily. None of them changed my opinion that Tangent is a top-tier manufacturer, because I understand that stuff happens. I see similar levels of QA/QC issues on equipment from most of the high end manufacturers, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Arrowhead cars exhibit similar traits. I hope Blaine receives fair treatment if the seemingly inevitable happens with his future releases too. |
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Post by atsfgp7u on Jul 24, 2018 20:15:00 GMT -8
IMHO, there are currently two ultra high quality manufacturers in the market in HO. One is Tangent and the other is Moloco. If Blaine decides to pick that niche in the market, I have no doubt that list will increase from two to three.
I am very happy with most Genesis offerings. And I would have included the higher quality Exactrail, but as their new product releases have pretty much dried up at present, I've left them to one side.
I was fortunate enough to deal with Blaine when he was at Exactrail and his constant pursuit of excellence was refreshing.
I can't wait to see what his first model will be.
cheers
Dave North
PS Your box art looks great, mate.
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Post by talltim on Jul 25, 2018 2:59:06 GMT -8
One thing that has always confused me with Exactrail is the product series. There is a page explaining them exactrail.com/pages/product-series but the names of the series aren't distinct enough for me to remember how they place on the scale and the blurb doesn't really elucidate. I've never understood the reasoning for which model gets to be in which series or the need for four series. In contrast Scaletrains nomenclature is (fairly) obvious and their model of making the same in both ranges (excepting the boxcars) makes sense. Interesting that Rapido's foray into a lower spec range has been declared a failure (by them). All this is to say that if Arrowhead are just going for the highest spec market the previous can be ignored. If not then the differentiation of the ranges needs to be carefully thought out. |
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Post by ambluco on Jul 25, 2018 5:36:47 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 5:41:47 GMT -8
Blaine's business model will be geared to the high end, discriminating modeler, AFAIK. No foobies. As for scale draft gear, be careful what you wish for. Near-scale adaptations are fine with me, personally. Moloco's excellent draft gear kits capture the "look" of this important detail (if you love freight cars), and are designed to work with the Kadee "Scale" coupler.
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Post by cp6027 on Jul 25, 2018 14:01:47 GMT -8
...Rapido though is just beginning to test the US market. By US market, I mean US railroad prototypes. They really have not produced any mainstream US freight cars. The Flexi-Flo will pretty much be the first... Rapido produced the GARX 37' Meat Reefer and is working on the NP boxcar that dates to 1923. Along those lines, when I heard the statement "an accurate, state of the art model has not been produced for this market in decades" my mind immediately thought that these new state-of-the-art manufacturers have not released much aimed at the late 1800s and early 1900s era of railroading (although I admit that since it is way outside my era, I don't pay much attention to what niche manufacturers are doing in this market). |
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Post by lackawanna1223 on Jul 25, 2018 16:03:31 GMT -8
...Rapido though is just beginning to test the US market. By US market, I mean US railroad prototypes. They really have not produced any mainstream US freight cars. The Flexi-Flo will pretty much be the first... Rapido produced the GARX 37' Meat Reefer and is working on the NP boxcar that dates to 1923. Along those lines, when I heard the statement "an accurate, state of the art model has not been produced for this market in decades" my mind immediately thought that these new state-of-the-art manufacturers have not released much aimed at the late 1800s and early 1900s era of railroading (although I admit that since it is way outside my era, I don't pay much attention to what niche manufacturers are doing in this market). This is my line of thinking, too. I’m predicting a tank car. Either the ACF Type 7 with the high walkways or the extremely common UTLX X-3. Either would be a signature car and both were long lived. |
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Post by rapidotrains on Jul 27, 2018 7:16:26 GMT -8
Along those lines, when I heard the statement "an accurate, state of the art model has not been produced for this market in decades" my mind immediately thought that these new state-of-the-art manufacturers have not released much aimed at the late 1800s and early 1900s era of railroading (although I admit that since it is way outside my era, I don't pay much attention to what niche manufacturers are doing in this market). That was my thought as well. Here's what I think Blaine is going to announce:  Sign me up for almost one!  -Jason |
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Jul 27, 2018 8:06:45 GMT -8
Jason, I've always wondered where Brio got their inspiration. Those link & pin couplers even look like they could be giant magnets... |
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Post by choochooboy on Jul 27, 2018 16:51:03 GMT -8
Here's what I think Blaine is going to announce: Sign me up for almost one! -Jason [/quote] That is a lot of car, but you and I both know: it is only a matter of time before a manufacturer has the courage to step up to it. Blaine Hadfield Arrowhead Models |
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Post by MONSTERRAILROAD on Jul 27, 2018 21:12:51 GMT -8
Taconite Ore Cars?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 9:15:50 GMT -8
I could go for a super duper detailed scale test car. Every railroad had them.
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Post by autocoach on Jul 28, 2018 11:09:02 GMT -8
I have one criteria: If it wasn't running on a western US standard gauge common carrier on or before June 30, 1954, I am not in the target market and all the suspense will be lost on me.
Ken Adams
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 19:02:42 GMT -8
Now that would be WAY cool!!!! Especially some good 1970's era DM&IR. What is really surprising to me is that MTH made a killer looking ore car. Hardest ones to find. Yep, DM&IR. Brian |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 28, 2018 19:09:09 GMT -8
And offered in how may numbers? 'Cause Mikey knows DM&IR rostered more than one.
Ed
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Post by jbilbrey on Jul 28, 2018 20:00:21 GMT -8
This is my line of thinking, too. I’m predicting a tank car. Either the ACF Type 7 with the high walkways or the extremely common UTLX X-3. Either would be a signature car and both were long lived. A few years ago when looking through a bunch of back-issues of "Pacific Rail News", I came across a photo of a Type 7 tank car along with another tank car with high walkways being pulled by a BN GP20 and ahead of a CNW 50' boxcar and a BN Airslide. While the two tank cars were in company service, I still found it fascinating to see couple relics still being used in the 1970's, IIRC the date in the caption. Since we are talking about the older tank cars, either the UTLX Class V "Van Dyke" frameless tank cars and Class X tank cars (the old MDC "old time" tank car) could also be candidates for new models. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 13:57:01 GMT -8
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Post by GP40P-2 on Jul 30, 2018 16:59:20 GMT -8
Okay, that is subtle. Hey Southern modelers.... What is a numerous car that the Southern has, that isn't a 50' waffle box or Big John, already covered by EXR?
I would love a tobacco hogshead car (showed up in northern California carrying tires and office furniture), but "numerous" doesn't come to mind with that car.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 18:12:33 GMT -8
Friday is a good day for an announcement. Lunch at Cloo's Coney Island for some great dog's as well as some great model train conversation with two excellent friends. Maybe three if Pat shows up.
Thanks Tom for pointing this out.
EJ&E International riveted side caboose. Yeah! Bring it on Blaine! I'll take six of them.
Brian
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Post by GP40P-2 on Jul 30, 2018 18:42:51 GMT -8
Let's do this! [a href="  "]Hogshead[/a] |
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Post by nsc39d8 on Jul 30, 2018 18:50:09 GMT -8
As a Southern Modeler I would go for several of those Hogshead cars. This has been the most requested car of any Southern modeler as the only source is the old Ambroid kit.
I believe the car behind is a good candidate as well, Southern rostered 100's of Pullman 5277 with 12 posts per side that has not been done in HO.
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Post by ADK on Jul 30, 2018 19:24:30 GMT -8
I've always been interested in Southern railway but seeing as I can't pry myself away from modeling the modern era, I hope whatever car is released survived into the modern era.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 5:13:26 GMT -8
Okay, that is subtle. Hey Southern modelers.... What is a numerous car that the Southern has, that isn't a 50' waffle box or Big John, already covered by EXR? I would love a tobacco hogshead car (showed up in northern California carrying tires and office furniture), but "numerous" doesn't come to mind with that car. I hope to see a 86' Greenville auto parts box car. Pierre BARBE |
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Post by randyb on Jul 31, 2018 6:35:09 GMT -8
I have a sneaking suspicion I know but don't want to violate a confidence by speculating. Suffice it to say my wallet will be coming out if I am right.
Randy
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Post by txcavgr on Jul 31, 2018 8:10:46 GMT -8
I would definitely prefer the hogshead cars over a pickle car....one of my favorite all time freight cars! I would gladly get rid of my stack of Ambroid kits I've accumulated but not built.
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