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Post by riogrande on Jul 16, 2018 7:47:56 GMT -8
I don't see where it would command the prices they're getting. I guess people knowing your name is worth something. -Dave Hence the title of this topic.  |
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Post by gevohogger on Jul 16, 2018 7:54:28 GMT -8
Here's another one, for a whole lot less money, but you aren't paying for a very average weathering job - or shipping from Denmark.
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Post by milgentrains on Jul 16, 2018 8:12:28 GMT -8
Here's another one, for a whole lot less money, but you aren't paying for a very average weathering job - or shipping from Denmark. You can still buy a later run car from MB Klein for $20.00 less. |
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Post by nstophat on Jul 16, 2018 8:26:12 GMT -8
It appears that Pelle started the auctions at $50.00 for each of the three cars he listed. He's weathered them, added Sergent Couplers and PWRS Magnetic air hoses, which are like $5.00 each just for an air hose. What surprises me the most are the number of low feed back count individuals who are skyrocketing prices on these items. His Athearn UP GEVO started at $180 and it's over $800 with over 6 days left.
Can't say I blame Pelle for taking the money, as the saying goes "a fool and his money...."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 8:34:59 GMT -8
He is going to clean up on those models.
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Jul 16, 2018 8:49:27 GMT -8
Here's another one, for a whole lot less money, but you aren't paying for a very average weathering job - or shipping from Denmark.
But it wasn't done by famed author Pelle Soeborg. The price is driven by WHO did it, not the actual model. Would my autograph be worth anything? No. Would Sandy Koufax's autograph be worth anything? Yes. Same principal with the model. |
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Jul 16, 2018 8:53:44 GMT -8
It appears that Pelle started the auctions at $50.00 for each of the three cars he listed. He's weathered them, added Sergent Couplers and PWRS Magnetic air hoses, which are like $5.00 each just for an air hose. What surprises me the most are the number of low feed back count individuals who are skyrocketing prices on these items. His Athearn UP GEVO started at $180 and it's over $800 with over 6 days left. Can't say I blame Pelle for taking the money, as the saying goes "a fool and his money...." Russ I wouldn't characterize this as a fool and his money. To some people yes, they don't get the "hero worship" of a person. But like I wrote about autographs, isn't a person signing their name, just a person signing their name? No. For it depends on who's signing it. Same principle with this freight car. I do the same job on the same car and it might fetch $50. Because I'm a nobody. Pelle, Tony Koester, Alan McClelland and others do the exact same thing and it becomes a collectible. |
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Jul 16, 2018 8:54:04 GMT -8
The celebrity modeler in question was doing this long before his wife kicked him out and he had little space. It's been his M.O. for years... sell cars and locos as fast as he turned them out. It's called profiteering. Do you have a beef with Pelle? Have you actually met him? He's a very nice guy, and he certainly doesn't consider himself a celebrity. |
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Post by Artur on Jul 16, 2018 8:56:56 GMT -8
It must be a combination of new bidders, want it now people mixed in with more money than brains. around 10 years ago I built an DC Athearn blue box Dash 9 with a Kaslo cab, I decided to sell it because it just wasn't up to my standards anymore. the stupid thing sold for $450 and I was absolutely floored.
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Post by bar on Jul 16, 2018 9:06:49 GMT -8
It appears that Pelle started the auctions at $50.00 for each of the three cars he listed. He's weathered them, added Sergent Couplers and PWRS Magnetic air hoses, which are like $5.00 each just for an air hose. What surprises me the most are the number of low feed back count individuals who are skyrocketing prices on these items. His Athearn UP GEVO started at $180 and it's over $800 with over 6 days left. Can't say I blame Pelle for taking the money, as the saying goes "a fool and his money...." Russ I wouldn't characterize this as a fool and his money. To some people yes, they don't get the "hero worship" of a person. But like I wrote about autographs, isn't a person signing their name, just a person signing their name? No. For it depends on who's signing it. Same principle with this freight car. I do the same job on the same car and it might fetch $50. Because I'm a nobody. Pelle, Tony Koester, Alan McClelland and others do the exact same thing and it becomes a collectible. Putting a hack such as Soeberg in the same company with Koester and McClelland -- giants who were instrumental in transforming the hobby -- is laughable. |
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Post by riogrande on Jul 16, 2018 9:15:54 GMT -8
Can't say I blame Pelle for taking the money...." Russ Neither can I. Divorce can wreck you financially. Hopefully it's cheaper in Denmark. New York state is a bad place to get divorce - cost me thousands in attorney fee's and at the height of the recession too. Took years to recover from it. |
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Post by roadkill on Jul 16, 2018 9:16:49 GMT -8
I wouldn't call Pelle a "hack" but yea, his contributions to the hobby pale in comparison to McClelland, Koester, etc., Pelle's an extraordinary modeler IMHO.
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Post by peoriaman on Jul 16, 2018 9:45:21 GMT -8
We should buy the car and give it to Al Mayo for use on his layout. Because you know he's a big fan.
I can Paypal a couple bucks to whoever wants to take the lead on this.
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Post by nstophat on Jul 16, 2018 9:46:10 GMT -8
It appears that Pelle started the auctions at $50.00 for each of the three cars he listed. He's weathered them, added Sergent Couplers and PWRS Magnetic air hoses, which are like $5.00 each just for an air hose. What surprises me the most are the number of low feed back count individuals who are skyrocketing prices on these items. His Athearn UP GEVO started at $180 and it's over $800 with over 6 days left. Can't say I blame Pelle for taking the money, as the saying goes "a fool and his money...." Russ I wouldn't characterize this as a fool and his money. To some people yes, they don't get the "hero worship" of a person. But like I wrote about autographs, isn't a person signing their name, just a person signing their name? No. For it depends on who's signing it. Same principle with this freight car. I do the same job on the same car and it might fetch $50. Because I'm a nobody. Pelle, Tony Koester, Alan McClelland and others do the exact same thing and it becomes a collectible. <iframe width="27.3199999999999" height="7.44" id="MoatPxIOPT1_32272769" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 15px; top: -6px; width: 27.32px; height: 7.44px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="27.3199999999999" height="7.44" id="MoatPxIOPT1_60083167" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 1287px; top: -6px; width: 27.32px; height: 7.44px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="27.3199999999999" height="7.44" id="MoatPxIOPT1_38056355" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 309px; width: 27.32px; height: 7.44px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="27.3199999999999" height="7.44" id="MoatPxIOPT1_5876679" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 1287px; top: 309px; width: 27.32px; height: 7.44px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> I used to collect baseball cars, and completely understand the whole autograph side of that hobby, and your analogy. What I find surprising is how these cars are fetching nearly the same prices as cars from Mellow Mike and they aren't weathered nearly as well. I can understand them fetching a somewhat higher than normal price, but the numbers that they are currently at with 5 or 6 days left to bid day is akin to a Bake McBride 1980 Topps signed card and it fetching nearly the same for a Mike Schmidt or Pete Rose 1980 Topps card, in the same condition. |
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Post by bnsf971 on Jul 16, 2018 10:13:14 GMT -8
BAR, since you seem to hold such a low opinion of this guy's modeling, let's see some of your efforts.
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Post by bar on Jul 16, 2018 11:11:29 GMT -8
BAR, since you seem to hold such a low opinion of this guy's modeling, let's see some of your efforts. Time-honored Atlas forum retort. And I have shown my work here in the past. |
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Jul 16, 2018 11:44:49 GMT -8
Really, bar, you shouldn't have a beef with Pelle, just with the bidders on eBay. Pelle isn't the one charging a fortune for his stuff, the bidders are throwing their money at him. What's he supposed to do? Not take it?
Do you not understand how capitalism works?
Besides, he's a good modeler, not a hack. Is he the best ever? No, but he's a lot better than I and better than most of the modelers I know (and yeah, I know a lot of them). He also writes a good article on interesting subjects, takes good pictures while building said model, and gets paid to be published. Why shouldn't he reap the rewards of his fame and skill? And it's not like I'm some kind of big Pelle fan because I model New England pre-1969, not modern UP in the desert. Very little he's ever written could possibly help me (I got way more from John Pryke), but even I can recognize Pelle's skill.
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Post by bnsf971 on Jul 16, 2018 12:40:39 GMT -8
BAR, since you seem to hold such a low opinion of this guy's modeling, let's see some of your efforts. Time-honored Atlas forum retort. And I have shown my work here in the past. The past doesn't matter, I've never seen it. My request remains. If you are so good, show us how much better you are than pelle. |
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Post by bar on Jul 16, 2018 12:55:01 GMT -8
Really, bar, you shouldn't have a beef with Pelle, just with the bidders on eBay. Pelle isn't the one charging a fortune for his stuff, the bidders are throwing their money at him. What's he supposed to do? Not take it? Do you not understand how capitalism works? "Capitalism." LOL, how complex. It's nothing more than a guy selling his stuff on a street corner. |
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Post by bar on Jul 16, 2018 12:57:30 GMT -8
Time-honored Atlas forum retort. And I have shown my work here in the past. The past doesn't matter, I've never seen it. My request remains. If you are so good, show us how much better you are than pelle. So by your measure, sportswriters aren't allowed to criticize athletes, movie critics aren't allowed to criticize films, book reviewers aren't allowed to criticize authors, and pundits aren't allowed to criticize politicians, and analysts aren't allowed to criticize businessmen. Try harder. |
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Post by oldmuley on Jul 16, 2018 16:51:41 GMT -8
I came for the auction, but stayed for the comments!
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Post by bnsf971 on Jul 16, 2018 18:04:10 GMT -8
The past doesn't matter, I've never seen it. My request remains. If you are so good, show us how much better you are than pelle. So by your measure, sportswriters aren't allowed to criticize athletes, movie critics aren't allowed to criticize films, book reviewers aren't allowed to criticize authors, and pundits aren't allowed to criticize politicians, and analysts aren't allowed to criticize businessmen. Try harder. By your measure, everybody is an expert on everything. Again, if you are so great, prove it. Put up, or shut up. Has ANYBODY here seen ANYTHING BAR has done, besides making snarky comments and telling everybody else how great he is, and how bad everybody else is? |
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Jul 16, 2018 18:28:40 GMT -8
Has ANYBODY here seen ANYTHING BAR has done, besides making snarky comments and telling everybody else how great he is, and how bad everybody else is? Mmmm no, but he really is darn good at that....  About time for a pad lock, I'd say. |
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Jul 16, 2018 19:20:37 GMT -8
bar,
Yup, that's capitalism...a guy selling his stuff on the street corner. Whew. I thought you didn't know. So...are you ever going to tell us why you dislike Pelle? I mean you started this thread to slam the guy; you must have a better reason then just that Pelle can sell models for more money than you can (unless that's actually the reason...which would be sad).
bnsf971,
Look, bar is right on this one. His ability (or lack thereof) to make models should not affect his criticism. It doesn't matter if he's an armchair modeler or a NMRA MMR. It's his opinion that Pelle is a profiteering hack. He's wrong, but bar making great models or a lousy ones doesn't make him any more right or wrong on Pelle.
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Post by roadkill on Jul 17, 2018 5:48:53 GMT -8
Some people just aren't happy unless they're raining on someone's parade...
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Post by ncrc5315 on Jul 17, 2018 15:20:19 GMT -8
I have met Pelle, and he is a very nice gentleman, very humble. I admire his work, the same as I admire people's work on this forum, and others. If you don't like the guy, or don't care for how he models, my advice would be to not bid on his models.
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Post by brakie on Jul 18, 2018 6:42:59 GMT -8
I never been a fan of Pelle but,if he can get good prices for his models so what? I would buy one of his cars at the going use freight car prices $5-12.00.
I do like Tony Koester, Alan McClelland Bill Darnaby and Lance Mindheim.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 8:23:35 GMT -8
I appreciated the capitalism comment, because in America today there seem to be so many people who fail to understand such a simple concept that we actually do need to be reminded what capitalism is, as though it's some kind of a "sin" for Pelle or anyone else to make money, so that they don't have to rely on government handouts to live. I do not want to live in some country where the government controls everyone and decides what they do, what they get paid, etc. and that's the direction some very misguided people want America to go. They should leave now if they don't like capitalism.
I don't care about some of the big name layouts, because it's simply not my layout for me to run my personal trains on, and I admit that I lack the skills of some of those fine folks...but my new kitten is trashing the trees on my layout anyway (though not hurting the trains themselves!)...so you won't be seeing pictures of my layout anytime soon.
Let me be perfectly clear: I hope he makes a ton of money on Ebay! Maybe it will help him to build an "even better" next layout that others of us might learn from. Perhaps if he makes money then some of the items I'm selling (seemingly all the time) will bring a little bit more.
If he makes a million dollars selling model trains on Ebay, what is that to me and why should I care or envy him? I wish Pelle well and hope he chooses the next spouse wisely. Pelle has contributed to our hobby, and I am thankful for that.
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Jul 18, 2018 17:15:19 GMT -8
FPA-4,
Please leave politics out of this.
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Post by gevohogger on Jul 19, 2018 3:57:41 GMT -8
I don't think its Pelle here who is the target of Bar's ire; rather its the notion that people are happily paying a premium for unremarkable, factory-painted boxcars just because he once owned them, and which presumably operated on his layout. And they are paying expensive shipping from Denmark for the privilege of obtaining said boxcars. Pretty silly if you ask me.
Maybe these people would pay top dollar for a box of leftover drywall screws from Pelle's basement? After all, they were Pelle's drywall screws. He's a celebrity!
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