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Post by simulatortrain on Jul 21, 2018 12:55:39 GMT -8
Cannon has eight new freight cars UP ACF BC-70-4 &-5 Combo door UP PS BC-70-6 combo door UP ACF BF-70-20 rebuild UP ACF BF-70-21 rebuild GN ACF 9ft sliding door NW ACF Precision Design double plug B-121 SAL Evans 40 ft Phosphate SCL Pullman 40 ft Phosphate New UP decals for the above by Mask Island Dave I was hoping those NW cars would be among them. Looking forward to it!
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Post by markfj on Jul 21, 2018 15:14:36 GMT -8
Regarding the NW B-121 from Cannon; wouldn’t Cannon make sure decals are available before announcing the kit? I’m assuming that these cars will be kits with the various parts available from Cannon (e.g. trucks, ends, underframe, etc.).
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Post by wp8thsub on Jul 21, 2018 16:01:05 GMT -8
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Post by riogrande on Jul 21, 2018 17:27:27 GMT -8
That WP box car looks similar to some Moloco box cars announced but not yet out, the PC&F plate B. Hopefully those will be next now that the FGE cars are out.
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Post by buffalobill on Jul 21, 2018 17:43:16 GMT -8
Packer, change/ back date the beacon. The rivet counter units were on display, not operators. Jim, The UP'S were from the third announcement, this was the 4th. Rivet counters are due early next year. Third announcement units due in September. Watch for new tooling anoucements in August at KC. Chris indicated the Exactrail GSI bulkheads should be later in fall. THE BN ONES LOOKED GREAT. net price fiftyish or so. PC X77 will be announced by then. Brian Bana gave an excellent presentation on the GP-35, Tangent Dave and Tim Van gave great presentations on Midwest grain fleets, and 40' boxes cars late in life. No rotten Vega tables were seen. Excellent event.
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Post by riogrande on Jul 21, 2018 18:04:03 GMT -8
No announcement from Blaine yet with Arrowhead?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 19:53:05 GMT -8
Arrowhead will have an announcement in about two weeks. Blaine was at the show; with a booth; and provided information on the upcoming release. He said he will have two updates on his blog shortly before the announcement.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 3:40:52 GMT -8
The Cannon and Company Loads for the Bulkhead cars are really nice! Dave has laser-cut them to replicate stack lumber for lading on the Wheels of Time Bulkheads, and the new Tangent Bulkhead cars that were recently released.
The instructions provide clear direction on how to apply them, and set them up for a variety of loads that are common when they are transported on flat cars.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 3:58:18 GMT -8
Sure wish we could a correct RTR Chessie System C26, C27, and C27a, Southern, and L&N Bay window cabooses. Dan on youtube is currently building his own present-day C27A shoving platform. VERY good work. Currently up to episode 10. Since mfrs seem disinterested in cabooses, it seems that old-school model building remains necessary for these cars. Hope this starts to change soon. It will change if we keep requesting them. Cabooses that are done correctly will require significant research and information. They are about as specific a car as can be found on any class 1 railroad. I believe we will see more road specific cabooses soon. I don't have the specific numbers on the Genesis SP and WP cars; and how they did in regard to sales. However, when Walthers and Atlas continue to crank out foobies with their respective cars, it's going to be difficult to get there. I talked with one manufacturer and he indicated the cabooses would be a significant investment. Granted, I am not a self proclaimed marketing expert like a former forum member, and I won't venture a guess as to how they arrive at the choice to do a specific caboose. But, there is a new Bay window car series coming in HO scale...and it will be somewhat "accurate". However, it's following the Atlas plan...it is good for one specific prototype, and even though a few changes can be made to make it more accurate, they are not going to do so...they'll leave that up to us. This means filling windows...just like the old days. I am none-the-less happy to see them.
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Post by 12bridge on Jul 22, 2018 4:36:17 GMT -8
The Athearn Genesis SP (and WP) Caboose is an amazing model....that was severely over produced and flooded the market. The Lighted one I have seen as low as 29$.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 5:05:24 GMT -8
Athearn had new sample of ACF 4600 with tooling corrections. Maybe photos ? Pierre BARBE
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Post by wp8thsub on Jul 22, 2018 6:46:39 GMT -8
The Cannon and Company Loads for the Bulkhead cars are really nice! ... The instructions provide clear direction on how to apply them, and set them up for a variety of loads that are common when they are transported on flat cars. Cannon Load 1 by wp8thsub, on Flickr I assembled this load from the Cannon kit. I changed it somewhat by having the bundles cut into individual pieces. This process meant more work but prevented any grain pattern from running the length of the load.
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Post by rapidotrains on Jul 22, 2018 6:54:09 GMT -8
Cabooses that are done correctly will require significant research and information. They are about as specific a car as can be found on any class 1 railroad. I believe we will see more road specific cabooses soon. I don't have the specific numbers on the Genesis SP and WP cars; and how they did in regard to sales. However, when Walthers and Atlas continue to crank out foobies with their respective cars, it's going to be difficult to get there. I talked with one manufacturer and he indicated the cabooses would be a significant investment. Granted, I am not a self proclaimed marketing expert like a former forum member, and I won't venture a guess as to how they arrive at the choice to do a specific caboose. But, there is a new Bay window car series coming in HO scale...and it will be somewhat "accurate". However, it's following the Atlas plan...it is good for one specific prototype, and even though a few changes can be made to make it more accurate, they are not going to do so...they'll leave that up to us. This means filling windows...just like the old days. I am none-the-less happy to see them. Dan, Gareth, Jordan and Josh are quite keen to do another Canadian caboose, or "van" as they are often called here. They have one in mind. But the only way to make a profit on it is to paint it in as many foobie schemes as possible. Basically, if a railroad had anything remotely close, it's fair game. It costs more than twice as much to tool a caboose as a boxcar, and the unit cost is also about twice as much. A guy may buy four of one caboose and 40 of one boxcar, so your sales per road are much lower. I would never give a manufacturer a hard time for painting cabooses, passenger cars and other expensive equipment in foobie schemes. Sometimes it's just necessary if we want to see the project made at all. -Jason
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 7:06:51 GMT -8
Athearn had new sample of ACF 4600 with tooling corrections. Maybe photos ? Pierre BARBE They had an undecorated kit present. With the differences on the carbody. But, no built up versions present. I believe the older versions that show paint schemes were present. I didn't take photos of the model. Chris Palomarez will most likely post photos on the Athearn FB page...If they aren't on there already.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 7:11:42 GMT -8
Cabooses that are done correctly will require significant research and information. They are about as specific a car as can be found on any class 1 railroad. I believe we will see more road specific cabooses soon. I don't have the specific numbers on the Genesis SP and WP cars; and how they did in regard to sales. However, when Walthers and Atlas continue to crank out foobies with their respective cars, it's going to be difficult to get there. I talked with one manufacturer and he indicated the cabooses would be a significant investment. Granted, I am not a self proclaimed marketing expert like a former forum member, and I won't venture a guess as to how they arrive at the choice to do a specific caboose. But, there is a new Bay window car series coming in HO scale...and it will be somewhat "accurate". However, it's following the Atlas plan...it is good for one specific prototype, and even though a few changes can be made to make it more accurate, they are not going to do so...they'll leave that up to us. This means filling windows...just like the old days. I am none-the-less happy to see them. Dan, Gareth, Jordan and Josh are quite keen to do another Canadian caboose, or "van" as they are often called here. They have one in mind. But the only way to make a profit on it is to paint it in as many foobie schemes as possible. Basically, if a railroad had anything remotely close, it's fair game. It costs more than twice as much to tool a caboose as a boxcar, and the unit cost is also about twice as much. A guy may buy four of one caboose and 40 of one boxcar, so your sales per road are much lower. I would never give a manufacturer a hard time for painting cabooses, passenger cars and other expensive equipment in foobie schemes. Sometimes it's just necessary if we want to see the project made at all. -Jason That's your opinion, Jason, and I respect it. If you read the last line in my post, you will see that I am glad to see the project regardless. I believe that most people recognize that we are spending other peoples' money when we are wishing upon a star for specific cabooses. In fact, if I had unlimited resources, I would ensure the car was made as correct as possible. However, I don't. So, I will take what is offered...or do without...or build it myself. The poster was asking for a specific car...and I added what I had learned,as I am an advocate for another type of International Caboose. But, the car that is coming will certainly fill a void and sell very well because one of the versions that is going to be correct is Union Pacific. UP sells pretty well regardless of authenticity, however this one will be pretty darn close.
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Post by wp8thsub on Jul 22, 2018 7:13:33 GMT -8
How do I get Dave's load if I don't travel to a meet somewhere? Can I get on an email list so I find out when they are in-stock and can order? I'd suggest contacting Dave directly shop.cannonandco.net/contactus.sc . I'm not aware of anyone purchasing the load kits outside of an RPM meet, as that's where I got mine.
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Post by drolsen on Jul 22, 2018 10:18:32 GMT -8
Sure wish we could a correct RTR Chessie System C26, C27, and C27a, Southern, and L&N Bay window cabooses. I believe Spring Mills Depot fully intends to produce the C26/C27 variants, and they would do a fantastic job with them. I know some people are frustrated with the delays with their recent models. I think life and the desire to make the models as good as humanly possible has made their release schedules challenging. I hope they’ll be able to pull off their planned cabeese in the next couple years. Dave
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Post by jbilbrey on Jul 22, 2018 11:57:59 GMT -8
Between the RS11, the Flexi-Flo hoppers, the H54's, and the rumors of the X77, it is a good time for Northeastern modelers. Likewise, I am sure that Southeastern modelers will be interested in the Cannon & Co. Phosphate Boxcars along with the previously announced Tangent bulkhead flats. <snip>But, there is a new Bay window car series coming in HO scale...and it will be somewhat "accurate". <snip> I'm guessing that this bay-window caboose series will be coming from Bluford Shops since they have announced an N-scale series of bay-window cabooses and have also released HO cabooses patterned off the Missouri Pacific bay-window caboose with the short body. While not accurate for all the roads I am sure they will release them in, it will be nice to have an alternative to the aging Walthers bay-window caboose. I have one of those that I turned into a sorta accurate L&N caboose in the mid-90's, but there are still a lot of shortcomings (not the least in the brake detail) in the model which makes me want to do another one. But, that's just a hunch and not based on any comments I've seen or heard.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 12:02:58 GMT -8
Bingo; at least that's the rumor...I think they'll do a great job on them...and I think the Rock Island is their prototype basis. So, the UP CA-13 is among the cars that would be pretty darn close. And, their MP shorty bay windows are really nicely done.
So, likewise, I'd be glad to see them in HO scale.
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Post by jbilbrey on Jul 22, 2018 13:20:59 GMT -8
Bingo; at least that's the rumor...I think they'll do a great job on them...and I think the Rock Island is their prototype basis. So, the UP CA-13 is among the cars that would be pretty darn close. And, their MP shorty bay windows are really nicely done. So, likewise, I'd be glad to see them in HO scale. Just a lucky guess on my part, LOL!
While not entirely accurate for L&N, I could see using one as a basis for a caboose either bought new by L&N or acquired as part of the split-up of the C&EI. Meanwhile, I can practice moving windows around on an old set of caboose sides - I'm thinking for a SAL or SCL caboose.
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Post by cp6027 on Jul 22, 2018 14:33:59 GMT -8
Cabooses that are done correctly will require significant research and information. They are about as specific a car as can be found on any class 1 railroad. I believe we will see more road specific cabooses soon. I don't have the specific numbers on the Genesis SP and WP cars; and how they did in regard to sales. However, when Walthers and Atlas continue to crank out foobies with their respective cars, it's going to be difficult to get there. I talked with one manufacturer and he indicated the cabooses would be a significant investment. Granted, I am not a self proclaimed marketing expert like a former forum member, and I won't venture a guess as to how they arrive at the choice to do a specific caboose. But, there is a new Bay window car series coming in HO scale...and it will be somewhat "accurate". However, it's following the Atlas plan...it is good for one specific prototype, and even though a few changes can be made to make it more accurate, they are not going to do so...they'll leave that up to us. This means filling windows...just like the old days. I am none-the-less happy to see them. Dan, Gareth, Jordan and Josh are quite keen to do another Canadian caboose, or "van" as they are often called here. They have one in mind. But the only way to make a profit on it is to paint it in as many foobie schemes as possible. Basically, if a railroad had anything remotely close, it's fair game. It costs more than twice as much to tool a caboose as a boxcar, and the unit cost is also about twice as much. A guy may buy four of one caboose and 40 of one boxcar, so your sales per road are much lower. I would never give a manufacturer a hard time for painting cabooses, passenger cars and other expensive equipment in foobie schemes. Sometimes it's just necessary if we want to see the project made at all. -Jason I'd be very excited by any Canadian caboose (van) project from the steel-side era! The CN “transfer van”, CN Hawker Siddeley center-cupola van and CP steel end-cupola van all come to mind.I have 10 of the Rapido Angus vans in CP Rail and wish I had a few more of them, or a good model of the steel end-cupola vans used by CP to add some variety. Although the prototypes did last, my one wooden TLT van just looks a bit out of place in my era.
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Post by cannon on Jul 22, 2018 15:31:59 GMT -8
How do I get Dave's load if I don't travel to a meet somewhere? Can I get on an email list so I find out when they are in-stock and can order? I'd suggest contacting Dave directly shop.cannonandco.net/contactus.sc . I'm not aware of anyone purchasing the load kits outside of an RPM meet, as that's where I got mine. Ok so here is the deal on the lumber loads. I had some 10 ft 1x6’s milled to the crossection for a stack. To make the loads the individual sticks were cut to a scale 56ft length sanded, then lasered to represent different board sizes and packaged. I took them to some of the RPM shows and sold what I had. I never had inventory to put on the web site. While getting ready for St Louis my wife chopped and sanded a bunch and I lasered some to take. I have more blanks so I can make some inventory but it will take a while to catch up with that, and the interest generated by the new cars. So, Jim, watch the web site. Dave
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Post by lvrr325 on Jul 22, 2018 17:25:48 GMT -8
I'm somewhat surprised with all the different PRR caboose models out there that no one outside of Wright Trak has done a NYC bay window allowing for at least PC versions if not Conrail's order. They certainly would sell.
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Post by fr8kar on Jul 22, 2018 18:37:49 GMT -8
Yeah, but even old-school model building is tough to do because some key parts are missing, for example, an overhanging diagonal panel roof for an International bay window caboose. I've got some ideas to kitbash some EL bay window cars (C-351 and higher), but the roof is a big sticking point. -pat
At least some versions of Walthers bay window caboose have an overhanging diagonal panel roof. The majority I've seen have the X panel roof, but Green Bay Western and Nickel Plate are two schemes with diagonal panel roofs. There may be others since this is a model I'm not terribly familiar with.
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Post by grahamline on Jul 22, 2018 19:58:22 GMT -8
Has anyone fortunate enough to attend posted photos of the displays? Or are we just foaming about the possibility of more RTR?
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Post by simulatortrain on Jul 23, 2018 4:35:11 GMT -8
Where did the phosphate boxcars run?
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Post by cannon on Jul 23, 2018 5:02:44 GMT -8
From what I understand, all over. Phosphate is used as fertilizer. Jim Kinkaid is doing an article and drawings for an upcoming issue of RMC
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 6:14:12 GMT -8
Flexi Flow hopper from Rapido announced. Three versions. NYC; PC; Athearn had new sample of ACF 4600 with tooling corrections. I was having a rather nice chat with Gareth when they pulled out the poster for this car. At first glance I thought it was just another grain hopper and did not pay to much attention to it and continued my conversation. When I started to walk away, I nearly fainted at what I was looking at. REALLY! A high quality plastic model of the Holly Grail of freight cars. The NYC Flexi-Flo. My all time favorite freight car since I was 6 years old. I could not ask for a better company to do this car. I may not need them for what I am modeling, but I am in on all the NYC and PC cars. This car is just to cool to pass up. Thanks Rapido for this announcement! Brian
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 6:18:57 GMT -8
Cabooses that are done correctly will require significant research and information. They are about as specific a car as can be found on any class 1 railroad. I believe we will see more road specific cabooses soon. I don't have the specific numbers on the Genesis SP and WP cars; and how they did in regard to sales. However, when Walthers and Atlas continue to crank out foobies with their respective cars, it's going to be difficult to get there. I talked with one manufacturer and he indicated the cabooses would be a significant investment. Granted, I am not a self proclaimed marketing expert like a former forum member, and I won't venture a guess as to how they arrive at the choice to do a specific caboose. But, there is a new Bay window car series coming in HO scale...and it will be somewhat "accurate". However, it's following the Atlas plan...it is good for one specific prototype, and even though a few changes can be made to make it more accurate, they are not going to do so...they'll leave that up to us. This means filling windows...just like the old days. I am none-the-less happy to see them. Dan, Gareth, Jordan and Josh are quite keen to do another Canadian caboose, or "van" as they are often called here. They have one in mind. But the only way to make a profit on it is to paint it in as many foobie schemes as possible. Basically, if a railroad had anything remotely close, it's fair game. It costs more than twice as much to tool a caboose as a boxcar, and the unit cost is also about twice as much. A guy may buy four of one caboose and 40 of one boxcar, so your sales per road are much lower. I would never give a manufacturer a hard time for painting cabooses, passenger cars and other expensive equipment in foobie schemes. Sometimes it's just necessary if we want to see the project made at all. -Jason Jason, Wasn't the EJ&E purchased by a Canadian railroad. An International EJ&E riveted side caboose would make a real nice model!!!! I know exactly where you could scan one. You can also put them in C&EI as well as MoPac since the C&EI purchased a few of them and they found their way to the MP. Brian
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Post by ambluco on Jul 23, 2018 6:26:16 GMT -8
The Genesee & Wyoming had one too. Dan, Gareth, Jordan and Josh are quite keen to do another Canadian caboose, or "van" as they are often called here. They have one in mind. But the only way to make a profit on it is to paint it in as many foobie schemes as possible. Basically, if a railroad had anything remotely close, it's fair game. It costs more than twice as much to tool a caboose as a boxcar, and the unit cost is also about twice as much. A guy may buy four of one caboose and 40 of one boxcar, so your sales per road are much lower. I would never give a manufacturer a hard time for painting cabooses, passenger cars and other expensive equipment in foobie schemes. Sometimes it's just necessary if we want to see the project made at all. -Jason Jason, Wasn't the EJ&E purchased by a Canadian railroad. An International EJ&E riveted side caboose would make a real nice model!!!! I know exactly where you could scan one. You can also put them in C&EI as well as MoPac since the C&EI purchased a few of them and they found their way to the MP. Brian
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