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Post by lvrr325 on Jan 13, 2019 3:46:27 GMT -8
Conrail Quality in the second run?
I'd like one of those. As these got older Conrail tried replacing pairs of B23-7s with single B36s on some locals, it wasn't successful, but I remember seeing and have slides of the attempt.
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Post by tarnett on Jan 13, 2019 5:14:46 GMT -8
Did TTI make the cut for production? Thanks.
Todd Arnett
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Post by bnsf971 on Jan 13, 2019 6:04:17 GMT -8
If so, only way to use wire on the ends might be to make the end rails one-piece (no walkway gap in the middle) and let those who desire snip the middle section out and drop some 40 LPI black chain in the gap. Also might not be enough thickness in the end plate (where the bottom of the end railings attach) to use wire. Oh, you mean like Athearn blue box kits? Somehow, I don't think Rapido will produce a state of the art locomotive, and use 1965 handrails on it. |
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Post by cr9617 on Jan 13, 2019 7:55:05 GMT -8
Conrail Quality in the second run? I'd like one of those. As these got older Conrail tried replacing pairs of B23-7s with single B36s on some locals, it wasn't successful, but I remember seeing and have slides of the attempt. I asked about this in the old thread when they were first announced: "Conrail Quality will follow in a future run. We wanted to do the classic as delivered large "canopener" scheme first. -Rapido Gareth" |
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Post by NS4122 on Jan 13, 2019 8:03:10 GMT -8
The first stanchion by the nose is noticeably bent (curved) inward and the third stanchion back on the long hood leans in as well. |
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Post by Artur on Jan 13, 2019 8:24:44 GMT -8
The first stanchion by the nose is noticeably bent (curved) inward and the third stanchion back on the long hood leans in as well. This is a hand built and painted sample. I bet the handrails were bent by hand and put together by whoever did the model, what you see on this model will not come on the released models. |
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Post by 12bridge on Jan 13, 2019 8:34:01 GMT -8
Speaking from SW1200RS experience - While this new method of handrails is slightly better, Its not the greatest. The wire clips in from behind, so now you get handrails that pop out of the stantions, which are rather flimsy without the wire support. God help you if you pick up the model by the sides and put pressure on those stantions. Still better then some of the crap delrin thats out there, but I feel there is still room for improvement.
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Post by catcliffedemon on Jan 13, 2019 9:39:10 GMT -8
Speaking from SW1200RS experience - While this new method of handrails is slightly better, Its not the greatest. The wire clips in from behind, so now you get handrails that pop out of the stantions, which are rather flimsy without the wire support. God help you if you pick up the model by the sides and put pressure on those stantions. Still better then some of the crap delrin thats out there, but I feel there is still room for improvement. The B36-7 does not use the same design of handrails as the SW1200RS. The stanchions are injection moulded directly around pre-bent wire. It’s an expensive process so I chose only to use it on the side handrails. As we have various different styles of end handrails, some which are only used on one road name, I designed these to be made from the usual engineering plastic. The Santa Fe sample was hand built and painted for a video shoot and it is not representative of the final production models. We made it to show off some of the cool and innovative features that we’ve incorporated into the design. -Rapido Gareth |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 9:48:54 GMT -8
The first stanchion by the nose is noticeably bent (curved) inward and the third stanchion back on the long hood leans in as well. Ok. They still look much better than handrails that are completely made out of delrin, IMO. The one by the cab door on the step down...is bent inward...but with the handrail being metal...I think the stanchion could be corrected with slight bending out...IMO. |
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Post by ambluco on Jan 13, 2019 10:11:43 GMT -8
Wow, that was quite a bad guess. Speaking from SW1200RS experience - While this new method of handrails is slightly better, Its not the greatest. The wire clips in from behind, so now you get handrails that pop out of the stantions, which are rather flimsy without the wire support. God help you if you pick up the model by the sides and put pressure on those stantions. Still better then some of the crap delrin thats out there, but I feel there is still room for improvement. |
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Post by 12bridge on Jan 13, 2019 13:35:07 GMT -8
Uh, what?
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Post by csx3305 on Jan 13, 2019 14:03:20 GMT -8
Even the Utah Pacific beryllium copper stanchions will bend inwards like that if you don’t exercise a gentle enough grip.
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Post by lajrmdlr on Jan 13, 2019 14:25:54 GMT -8
Thanks a lot. I was hoping to get away with just Conrail units and now you show this beauty! PC & Santa Fe used to have run through trains, so nothing at all wrong with running both their engines on same train! |
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Post by csxt8400 on Jan 13, 2019 14:30:20 GMT -8
I'm all for improved handrails, but let's not act like these things should be bullet proof.
If you cant pick up a locomotive without bending the railings that isn't the manufacturers fault.
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Post by brakie on Jan 14, 2019 5:44:03 GMT -8
That's a beautiful engine but,IMHO it would look out of place on a ISL.
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Post by milgentrains on Jan 14, 2019 7:16:08 GMT -8
That's a beautiful engine but,IMHO it would look out of place on a ISL. This fact has kept me out of bankruptcy several times. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 7:38:32 GMT -8
Gareth,
The top of the anti-climber. Is it supposed to or not suppose to have tread plate?
Or with this being a pre-production sample. That has not been addressed yet?
Brian
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Post by catcliffedemon on Jan 14, 2019 8:19:26 GMT -8
Gareth, The top of the anti-climber. Is it supposed to or not suppose to have tread plate? Or with this being a pre-production sample. That has not been addressed yet? Brian Hi Brian, yes, still awaiting tread plate. The body is still missing its rivets as well. We only add these items to parts when everything else has been signed off. -Rapido Gareth |
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Post by SOMECALLMETIM on Jan 14, 2019 8:33:18 GMT -8
Hopefully the B36-7 sale well to allow for the production of the early B23-7 version. The various truck spacing and other changes from 1977 to 1984 could preclude this from occurring.
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Post by roadkill on Jan 14, 2019 10:17:29 GMT -8
Wow!!! I may have to reconsider my cutoff and get me a couple Conrail units.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 10:39:01 GMT -8
I'm all for improved handrails, but let's not act like these things should be bullet proof. If you cant pick up a locomotive without bending the railings that isn't the manufacturers fault. I have to agree.
First, there are many prototype units in service that have a (slightly) leaning stanchion or two here or there. They get a certain amount of abuse. As long as they are not so badly messed up that they violate safety rules, the railroads tend to let them go. On a model, if one or two here or there lean a little bit, it doesn't bother me so much.
What bothers me is when they all lean in toward the body, or all lean in a direction (forward or back). You know you would never see that on a real one.
Regarding brass locomotives, I cannot tell you how many times I have passed on the purchase of an Overland Models, or Oriental Ltd, or Challenger, diesel because somebody handled it like an idiot. Those handrails are soldered on quite sturdily, and under normal, respectful handling conditions, they do not bend, and the solder joints do not break. It takes real effort (or total complete idiotic stupidity) to bend them as much as some of the ones that are out there on Ebay or at Brasstrains.com for sale. Clearly, not everybody has respect for the models as limited production pieces of art. Then what really makes me laugh are the folks who sloppily glue broken solder joints with super glue or some other adhesive that just makes the whole model look that much worse. As if the would-be buyer is not going to see that? Are we blind?
I think the Rapido sample looks great. I look forward to owning some Santa Fe units.
Conrail also used the Streator Connection to forward trains to/from Santa Fe, so there is no reason at all not to see blue Conrail units mixed with Santa Fe ones. Sometimes the blue Conrail units made it all the way to Southern California via Cajon Pass. Sometimes the Santa Fe units made it all the way to Enola Yard at Harrisburg, PA. I don't have photographic proof, but lots of other diesel models traveled between Harrisburg and Los Angeles on those two railroads. If you search rrpicturearchives.net, you can find some of those images.
Edit: Four Ways West published a series of BNSF Motive Power Annuals. The one from 1997 was perhaps the best. It showed all kinds of motive power and pool power--all kinds of mixed engine consists of CR and Santa Fe power, roaming all over. There was a lot of locomotive leasing then. The SD40 and SD40-2 leasers got everywhere, along with ex ATSF C30-7's still in Kodachrome paint. There are published shots of CR blues on Cajon.
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Post by middledivision on Jan 14, 2019 10:54:56 GMT -8
Thanks a lot. I was hoping to get away with just Conrail units and now you show this beauty! PC & Santa Fe used to have run through trains, so nothing at all wrong with running both their engines on same train! Yeah and I also have some Santa Fe B/C40's and SD40's so I will have to add the B36 to the family! |
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Post by csx3305 on Jan 14, 2019 12:35:45 GMT -8
That's a beautiful engine but,IMHO it would look out of place on a ISL. This is accurate, unless you model CSX from 2005ish-2010. (I don’t) |
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Post by thunderhawk on Jan 14, 2019 16:43:25 GMT -8
That's a beautiful engine but,IMHO it would look out of place on a ISL. This is accurate, unless you model CSX from 2005ish-2010. (I don’t) Had a pair of them on the Bensenville to Clearing transfer for a month or more back in 2001. Hated them but they got the job done. Was odd to have foreign power for that sort of work. |
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Post by bdhicks on Jan 14, 2019 18:12:50 GMT -8
That's a beautiful engine but,IMHO it would look out of place on a ISL. |
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Post by fr8kar on Jan 14, 2019 18:15:09 GMT -8
This is accurate, unless you model CSX from 2005ish-2010. (I don’t) Had a pair of them on the Bensenville to Clearing transfer for a month or more back in 2001. Hated them but they got the job done. Was odd to have foreign power for that sort of work. I had a pair of NS GEs on a transfer job for a few weeks. Ugh, those things smelled awful no matter how many times they were cleaned. I was glad to see them go. |
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Post by thunderhawk on Jan 14, 2019 19:06:37 GMT -8
Had a pair of them on the Bensenville to Clearing transfer for a month or more back in 2001. Hated them but they got the job done. Was odd to have foreign power for that sort of work. I had a pair of NS GEs on a transfer job for a few weeks. Ugh, those things smelled awful no matter how many times they were cleaned. I was glad to see them go. Every CSX unit I got looked and smelled like it had a hobo convention in the cab. Didn't matter if it was a month old. Was not a fan of catching them on run throughs. And yes, caught the infamous CSX 666 once. Smelled like ass and the horn pedal stuck. CSX diesel doc didn't believe me when I told him the unit number. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 19:57:46 GMT -8
Ok, I am not a railroader so am not privileged to have experienced the smell.
For the benefit of the rest of us, what was the cause? Do the GE's just not ventilate as well as EMD's? Does CSX just not clean anything? Hot summer weather make them smell worse than northern engines?
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Post by thunderhawk on Jan 14, 2019 20:30:53 GMT -8
Ok, I am not a railroader so am not privileged to have experienced the smell. For the benefit of the rest of us, what was the cause? Do the GE's just not ventilate as well as EMD's? Does CSX just not clean anything? Hot summer weather make them smell worse than northern engines? It's mostly cleaning and whatever they used, or didn't use, in the chemical toilets. Was consistent on CSX power, which just happened to usually be GE's. Road failures were more common with their power as well, including a new SD70ACe with a bad air starter. The SD's were another story with the horns mounted on the cab. 5 chimes are loud right over your head. No other run through power was ever as bad as CSX for cleanliness and smell. CP had some packets to throw in the toilet but if you're not in a terminal you don't have access to any. CP, CN, BNSF and UP power was generally pretty good other than the brand new UP SD70 someone pissed all over down in the nose. Had to stop in Milwaukee to mop it out as it was unbearable. NS I never noticed much issue with other than when they'd run through SD60's as they were set up backwards. In other words, they came in short hood first but were set up for long hood. Was sore as hell after 173 miles as I just couldn't get comfortable and my legs would go to sleep. Usually ran SD's with my feet on the heater and kicked back. None of the wide cabs flow air worth a damn which generally isn't a huge issue. Except for the first couple orders of AC4400's CP bought without A/C. We'd prop the front door open on hot days to try and get some flow, FRA be damned. Those things were ovens. Forgot to add CSX and NS seats were crap. May have upgraded by now. CP had the best in the biz with the high back air rides one could lay flat to take a nap while held out for curfew. Later BNSF and UP seats weren't bad but still not quite as nice. Probably more than you wanted to know. |
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Post by csxt8400 on Jan 14, 2019 20:33:42 GMT -8
Being a CSX fan probably makes me a little biased, but CSX smells were always a toss up. I don't find it a consistent problem.
NS units do have a different smell to them though, almost 100% of the time. Not always bad, but noticeable. Most Ferromex engines I've been on have had a different scent as well.
Different railroads use different toilet solution which is usually the cause in variance of odors.
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