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Post by GP40P-2 on Apr 27, 2019 21:45:20 GMT -8
Botchmann can produce some pretty decent models when they want to, the GE E33 electric is pretty nicely done IMHO. Their GP7/9, for another example? Well... not so much. And one of my favorite locomotives on my roster is a Bachmann GE 45 tonner. Some of their steam, On30 and foreign stuff is also pretty nice. But with their US stuff, they generally CHOOSE to NOT do a good job.
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Post by brakie on Apr 28, 2019 1:51:29 GMT -8
This seems like a very preliminary announcement, not even any artwork. Could be they're just trying to get in ahead of Athearn's rumored Charger. Of course, Athearn usually waits until they have preproduction samples before they make an announcement, so for all we know they (or even someone else) could already be further along. Brian, I suspect that wouldn't stop Bachmann from producing the Siemens locomotive as Bachmann's heritage locomotive shows.
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Post by slowfreight on Apr 28, 2019 4:55:49 GMT -8
I will buy a couple if they make them in MARC paint. Best looking Chargers out there. That's a pretty low bar.
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Post by pboilermaker on Apr 28, 2019 10:38:18 GMT -8
I will buy a couple if they make them in MARC paint. Best looking Chargers out there. That's a pretty low bar. It's all relative. The Amtrak scheme on these things does not do them any favors.
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Post by bnsf971 on Apr 28, 2019 12:33:46 GMT -8
I will buy a couple if they make them in MARC paint. Best looking Chargers out there. The 2x4s across the door really set off the colors.
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Post by pboilermaker on Apr 28, 2019 13:07:48 GMT -8
I will buy a couple if they make them in MARC paint. Best looking Chargers out there. The 2x4s across the door really set off the colors. That's temporary test instrumentation.
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Post by mdvle on Feb 20, 2020 5:30:04 GMT -8
Don't know if it is a production model or a sample but Bachmann appears to have pictures of their Charger model on the cover and inside their 2020 catalog (though image quality isn't great)
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Post by bigblow69 on Feb 20, 2020 7:38:22 GMT -8
$459 Each???
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Post by jonklein611 on Feb 20, 2020 7:50:07 GMT -8
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Post by riogrande on Feb 20, 2020 8:00:36 GMT -8
MSRP for the dramatic effect.
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Post by NS4122 on Feb 20, 2020 8:10:00 GMT -8
FWIW Bachmann had an operating sample running at the Amherst show at Springfield last month. The model as well as the lighting effects looked very good. Don't know if it is a production model or a sample but Bachmann appears to have pictures of their Charger model on the cover and inside their 2020 catalog (though image quality isn't great)
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Post by railmodeltroy14 on Feb 20, 2020 9:19:57 GMT -8
Could be a nice model...I will give them the benefit of the doubt.
I would have full confidence if this were a Rapido, Genesis or Scale Trains locomotive but if you want a fully-detailed, fully-functional modern Amtrak locomotive you have to find an Overland P-42 or add the details and proper lighting to an Athearn or Kato.
RMT
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Post by stevewagner on Feb 20, 2020 9:33:05 GMT -8
As a student of history, I much preferred MARC's earlier color scheme that featured the Calvert family colors of orange and black, which had inspired the name of the Baltimore oriole and the baseball team named after it. Maryland's state flag is among the most colorful of any of the fifty.
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Post by peoriaman on Feb 20, 2020 10:42:57 GMT -8
Yet we still don't have the definitive model of the Brightline/Virgin Trains version...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 11:46:04 GMT -8
I definitely want a Brightline consist or two. They'd look great with my Hello Kitty Shinkansen!
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Post by mdvle on Feb 20, 2020 13:06:53 GMT -8
Yet we still don't have the definitive model of the Brightline/Virgin Trains version... Do Bachmann even do variations in their models? Artist images indicate the VIA versions will be different, and the Amtrak versions could also be different given the specification changes for Amtrak.
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Post by loco8107 on Feb 20, 2020 14:37:51 GMT -8
The models need to be scrapped just like the real things... The real ones that bad? Lol. Haven’t been able to ride on Amtrak since the AEM-7’s years ago.
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Post by bdhicks on Feb 20, 2020 16:03:24 GMT -8
It looks like Bachmann did a decent job with the huge side grilles, which was my main concern about the model, and they even did the California-specific tail wedge, which is more than I was expecting.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 12:49:18 GMT -8
The models need to be scrapped just like the real things... The real ones that bad? Lol. Haven’t been able to ride on Amtrak since the AEM-7’s years ago. No. My understanding is that they're good diesels, based off of some European prototype. Amtrak is testing them on long distance trains, and (as of yesterday) they proved their crashworthiness against a cement truck. Granted that says nothing about their reliability long-term, but that's almost impossible to judge in the short term. I think cera just thinks they're ugly (And the way Amtrak paints them, I kinda agree)
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Post by mdvle on Feb 21, 2020 16:15:15 GMT -8
The real ones that bad? Lol. Haven’t been able to ride on Amtrak since the AEM-7’s years ago. No. My understanding is that they're good diesels, based off of some European prototype. Amtrak is testing them on long distance trains, and (as of yesterday) they proved their crashworthiness against a cement truck. Granted that says nothing about their reliability long-term, but that's almost impossible to judge in the short term. I think cera just thinks they're ugly (And the way Amtrak paints them, I kinda agree)
Not followed closely, but they seem to be performing well for a new product with only some minor issues.
As for the paint schemes, given that they aren't Amtrak locos but rather belong to various states did Amtrak have final say in the paint?
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Post by es80ac on Feb 21, 2020 23:04:52 GMT -8
Why does only Bachmann produce the modern Amtrak engines. Why no Atlas, Athearn or any other manufacturer?
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Post by trainworm on Feb 21, 2020 23:17:29 GMT -8
Why does only Bachmann produce the modern Amtrak engines. Why no Atlas, Athearn or any other manufacturer? Athearn had planned to build the charger but couldn't get the licensing. Bachmann got it first.
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Post by mdvle on Feb 22, 2020 11:18:12 GMT -8
Suspect also a case where Bachmann was willing to gamble they could sell enough of the ACS-64, which thus made them a natural partner when the Charger came along.
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Post by cera2254 on Feb 22, 2020 15:47:34 GMT -8
The real ones that bad? Lol. Haven’t been able to ride on Amtrak since the AEM-7’s years ago. No. My understanding is that they're good diesels, based off of some European prototype. Amtrak is testing them on long distance trains, and (as of yesterday) they proved their crashworthiness against a cement truck. Granted that says nothing about their reliability long-term, but that's almost impossible to judge in the short term. I think cera just thinks they're ugly (And the way Amtrak paints them, I kinda agree)That would be correct. Lol To look good they’d have to scrap the whole thing and just start over from the very beginning.
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Post by jonklein611 on Feb 24, 2020 5:45:22 GMT -8
Why does only Bachmann produce the modern Amtrak engines. Why no Atlas, Athearn or any other manufacturer? Kato has the P42 in HO and N as well as the ACS-64 in N scale. I'm assuming it's because Bachmann signed with Amtrak for an exclusive licensing deal.
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Post by mdvle on Feb 24, 2020 5:54:25 GMT -8
Why does only Bachmann produce the modern Amtrak engines. Why no Atlas, Athearn or any other manufacturer? Kato has the P42 in HO and N as well as the ACS-64 in N scale. I'm assuming it's because Bachmann signed with Amtrak for an exclusive licensing deal.
For current stuff it may not even be just getting a license for the livery, but you may also need permission from the builder of the prototype to make a model of it.
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Post by railmodeltroy14 on Feb 24, 2020 6:57:28 GMT -8
Why does only Bachmann produce the modern Amtrak engines. Why no Atlas, Athearn or any other manufacturer? Kato has the P42 in HO and N as well as the ACS-64 in N scale. I'm assuming it's because Bachmann signed with Amtrak for an exclusive licensing deal. I just checked and Athearn no longer lists the P-42 on their website. They are releasing an F59 with sound and flashing ditch lights this spring. So...for modern Amtrak power...you need to wait on the Bachmann Charger. The Kato P-42 is ok but installing dcc and full-lighting features are a real pain. I am looking for an Athearn AMD in latest paint scheme and will install sound and led, full- function lighting myself. Hopefully...Athearn will give us Genesis treatment to the AMD 103/P-42 very soon. RMT
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Post by jonklein611 on Feb 24, 2020 7:00:52 GMT -8
I'd rather have Rapido give it a go. I've been wanting a Via version as well.
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Post by sd80mac on Feb 24, 2020 11:44:34 GMT -8
Genesis, Rapido, Scaletrains, Walthers Proto, just about any of those would do a better P42 than the current offerings.
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Post by railmodeltroy14 on Feb 24, 2020 13:26:20 GMT -8
Genesis, Rapido, Scaletrains, Walthers Proto, just about any of those would do a better P42 than the current offerings. ...hindsight is always 20/20 but I never should have sold that Overland Phase V P-42 to fellow in Great Britain.
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