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Post by rockisland652 on Nov 18, 2012 8:22:18 GMT -8
Waiting for the two eastbound Rockets (from Peoria and the Quad Cities), we managed to catch a westbound empty reefer train headed back to Espee land. The train highballs up the hill to Mokena, past the Pinto Lounge and the Tinley Park commuter lot with the iconic siding that used to wrap around a grain elevator and the pre-1945 depot. Now the siding curves thru the parking lot over to INR Beatty Lumber. It's 1974 and everything's just groovy.  These are a bunch of IM and RC reefers that I weathered with Pan Pastels. The trucks are painted RR Tie Brown to make them blend in. An Atlas GP40 and Bowser U25B pull the train past the Tinley Park commuter lot with the siding that used to wrap around a grain elevator and the depot over to a long-gone east switch. |
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Post by dti406 on Nov 18, 2012 8:40:25 GMT -8
Nice shot Mike! Finally got around to finishing some more cars this past week and here they are!  This is a McKeen Models, early ACF Exterior Post Boxcar, painted Boxcar Red and lettered with Herald King Decals.  Another Covered Hopper for the Reading Railroad Sugar Business. The yellow line above the reporting marks means it is to be delivered to Amstar Sugar. This car is an Eastern Car Works ACF Covered Hopper with Circular Hatches to match the Reading cars. Car is painted with Scalecoat II MW Gray and lettered with Herald King Decals.  This is the second of four of these Atlas ACF 4600CF pre-71 Covered Hoppers that I am doing for the Reading Railroad. Car is in general service and is painted with Scalecoat II MW Gray and lettered with Herald King Decals. Thanks for looking! Rick J  |
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Post by nw611 on Nov 18, 2012 8:44:22 GMT -8
Very nice picture, but it must be 1978, not 1974. I can see a SPFE reefer (the PFE split took place in 1978) and a 1978 Ford Fairmont. Ciao. Raffaele
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Post by rockisland652 on Nov 18, 2012 8:45:13 GMT -8
...and the Peoria train finally shows up. Only about a half hour late.  Have a great Thanksgiving all. Safe travels. Pray for the folks out east. |
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Post by rockisland652 on Nov 18, 2012 8:46:05 GMT -8
Very nice picture, but it must be 1978, not 1974. I can see a SPFE reefer (the PFE split took place in 1978) and a 1978 Ford Fairmont. Ciao. Raffaele Yeah, I noticed the two Fairmonts too. 1978 is still groovy. Anyone need some weathered reefers?? I have some out-of-layout-date ones! lol |
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Post by riogrande on Nov 18, 2012 11:20:14 GMT -8
It's 1974 and everything's just groovy. Nice train - I have always loved the PFE reefers of the 70's and 80's - it a nice paint job and well, I grew up in SP country near Sacramento where these would have serviced the breadbasket of California. In college I learned that California grew about 1/4 of the entire nations food crops - wow! No wonder many of the nations supermarkets sell California produce. In high school I worke don tomato harvesters and picked apricots. Near Davis where I lived, the following was grown: rice, almonds, strawberryes and rasberries and the like, tomato's big time, appricotes, pumbs, melons and many other things. When I began traveling around in my early/mid 20's, I passed through Colorado a number of times and got sucked into the Rio Grandure! But with Genesis, Athearn RTR, Intermountain and Red Caboose making a lot of signature SP/western models in the past 5 to 10 years, I've been slowly building up an ever more sizable fleet of SP 6-axle EMD diesels (tunnel motors/SD45's) and PC&F and FMC box car fleet etc. and lately dipping my toes into the PFE reefer world with a new IMRC R-70-20 and Red Caboose R-70-15 reefer and have plans to buy a few more. I just picked up my first Red Caboose PFE reefer with the roof walk removed and white reporting marks. BTW, I've been reading that the UP/SP split was formalized around 1978, so 1974 might be too early for SPFE marked reefers, but I'll have to to some research to see if what people say is true. Since I've been playing "catch-up" on some models I couldn't afford when they were first out, I finally picked up a Fox Valley color mark SOO:  |
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Post by SantaFeJim on Nov 18, 2012 12:10:45 GMT -8
...and the Peoria train finally shows up. Only about a half hour late. Have a great Thanksgiving all. Safe travels. Pray for the folks out east.  |
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Post by mlehman on Nov 18, 2012 12:50:01 GMT -8
This one is entitled: [at my puny new] Millpond  |
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Post by nirail on Nov 18, 2012 14:15:18 GMT -8
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Post by riogrande on Nov 18, 2012 14:48:27 GMT -8
Very nice picture, but it must be 1978, not 1974. I can see a SPFE reefer (the PFE split took place in 1978) and a 1978 Ford Fairmont. Ciao. Raffaele Apparently SPFE does not mean 1978+ Raffaele. According to an article written by freight car expert Jim Eager in the March 1993 issue of Railmodel Journal on page 37: "Beginning in 1971, PFE co-owners UP and SP divided owner ship of the cars preparing for an eventual split in 1978." www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/145/10489/march-1993-page-35Below are photo's supporting the above assertion. One is dated in 1976 with an SPFE lettered reefer from railgoats website.  A 1971 dated photo showing a UPFE lettered car, with the SP/UP heralds, evidence that indeed, owner ship was assigned to reefers as early as 1971.  So based on this, it looks like a modeler could get away with 1974 for SPFE or UPFE lettered reefers without breaking a sweat!  |
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Post by nw611 on Nov 18, 2012 16:15:57 GMT -8
Thank you RioGrande. I did not know that PFE started splitting its reefers in 1971. Looking at the first picture I noticed a Railbox car and, after a quick research, I realized that Railbox was started in 1974. Every little detail gives you an extra bit of information. Ciao. Raffaele
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Post by riogrande on Nov 18, 2012 17:07:20 GMT -8
I didn't know either Raffaele. I have always been an SP fan but sometimes a wild hair grows and then I suddenly get interested in the PFE and started searching for information. I have the Rail Model Craftsman article years ago (have the magazine stored in a box) but then you forget the information and later need to re-learn it. SP.Railfan.net has a list of articles for the PFE cars if you want to do more reading:
•Model Railroader Jul. 1989 - SP R-70-20/24 White 57ft Reefer - Athearn repaint.
•Railroad Model Craftsman Jul. 1982 - Protofile 21: SP R-70-x 57ft Reefers - modeling details.
•Railroad Model Craftsman Jan. 1988 - PFE's Mechanical Reefers - History/Rosters/Models
•Railroad Model Craftsman Jun. 1994 - SP R-70-20 57ft Reefer - Athearn kitbash.
•RailModel Journal Mar. 1993 - Car Spotters Guide #14 - SP R-70-13/14/16/19/ 57ft Reefers.
•RailModel Journal Apr. 1993 - Car Spotters Guide #15 - SP R-70-16 57ft Reefers.
•Model Railroading April 1996 - Modeling a Golden West 57ft Mechanical reefer.
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Post by Chad on Nov 18, 2012 18:56:04 GMT -8
An oldie.  |
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Post by rockisland652 on Nov 18, 2012 19:14:47 GMT -8
...and the Peoria train finally shows up. Only about a half hour late. Have a great Thanksgiving all. Safe travels. Pray for the folks out east. WHERE?? lol Actually, so Can I. Just need more time to get to scenery so others can see what we mean... |
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Post by rockisland652 on Nov 18, 2012 19:17:32 GMT -8
Very nice picture, but it must be 1978, not 1974. I can see a SPFE reefer (the PFE split took place in 1978) and a 1978 Ford Fairmont. Ciao. Raffaele Apparently SPFE does not mean 1978+ Raffaele. According to an article written by freight car expert Jim Eager in the March 1993 issue of Railmodel Journal on page 37: "Beginning in 1971, PFE co-owners UP and SP divided owner ship of the cars preparing for an eventual split in 1978." www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/145/10489/march-1993-page-35Below are photo's supporting the above assertion. One is dated in 1976 with an SPFE lettered reefer from railgoats website. A 1971 dated photo showing a UPFE lettered car, with the SP/UP heralds, evidence that indeed, owner ship was assigned to reefers as early as 1971. So based on this, it looks like a modeler could get away with 1974 for SPFE or UPFE lettered reefers without breaking a sweat! I always thought the Rio Grande was a friendly connection to the RI. Once again, my faith is rewarded! Sale offer withdrawn! LOL Just need to replace Fairmonts with Fairlanes... |
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Post by fr8kar on Nov 18, 2012 20:30:42 GMT -8
Some blue box Athearn SD40-2s I'm in the slow process of upgrading:  BN 7213 BN 6720 MP 3316I have another one in the works, but it's not as far along as these three. |
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Post by riogrande on Nov 18, 2012 20:35:15 GMT -8
I always thought the Rio Grande was a friendly connection to the RI. Once again, my faith is rewarded! Sale offer withdrawn! LOL Just need to replace Fairmonts with Fairlanes... Fer sher fer sher! Rio Grande was definitely a friendly connection to RI. I need to get more RI freight cars to represent this too. I believe the Ford FAST was handed off to the Rio Grande in Pueblo Colorado until RI no longer handled it, and from there it went over Tennesee Pass to Dotsero Cutoff to Ogden or SLC - every 3 months it switched between carriers according to the article I read. |
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Post by shoofly on Nov 18, 2012 23:09:11 GMT -8
Very nice picture, but it must be 1978, not 1974. I can see a SPFE reefer (the PFE split took place in 1978) and a 1978 Ford Fairmont. Ciao. Raffaele Apparently SPFE does not mean 1978+ Raffaele. According to an article written by freight car expert Jim Eager in the March 1993 issue of Railmodel Journal on page 37: "Beginning in 1971, PFE co-owners UP and SP divided owner ship of the cars preparing for an eventual split in 1978." So based on this, it looks like a modeler could get away with 1974 for SPFE or UPFE lettered reefers without breaking a sweat! According to Dick Harley's notes, the last PFE cars to be order were in 1970 for R-70-24 and R-70-25s. By 1975 it was repaints only with orange ends (although some orange end repaints did receive the original PFE marks instead of the SPFE or UPFE for some reason...those cars received the S or U to the PFE sometime later creating interesting patch jobs or for the SP, the SP Were glommed together leaving the F and E spaced out between the ribs). Tony Thompson's article in june 1994 RMC states "Since 1963, most PFE car acquisitions had in fact been purchases by SP and UP, which in turn leased the cars to PFE. Starting with the R-70-22 in 1970, a change was made to reflect this ownership in the reporting marks by adding each railroad's initials to the PFE mark, thus forming the marks SPFE and UPFE. Within a few years, all leased PFE cars were relettered to reflect their ownership." So yes, 1974 you can have SPFE and UPFE lettered cars but look out for orange end cars, those were 1975 repaints  |
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Post by rockisland652 on Nov 19, 2012 6:31:02 GMT -8
So yes, 1974 you can have SPFE and UPFE lettered cars but look out for orange end cars, those were 1975 repaints Sweet buttery popcorn! The sale is back on! Anyone need two weathered orange ended post 1975 mech reefers? Arg... |
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Post by rhpd42002 on Nov 20, 2012 16:58:54 GMT -8
Great bunch of pictures so far, guys. Tom, I could possibly be persuaded to acquire a couple orange ended mech reefers. At the request of fellow Forumite, James Brodie, I'm posting a pic of his Drovers Coach kit he's currently working on. I believe it's O Scale  |
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Post by onequiknova on Nov 20, 2012 17:53:18 GMT -8
So yes, 1974 you can have SPFE and UPFE lettered cars but look out for orange end cars, those were 1975 repaints Sweet buttery popcorn! The sale is back on! Anyone need two weathered orange ended post 1975 mech reefers? Arg... Just break out your airbrush and some black paint. Or you can update your layout to 1978 and weather the crap out of everything. |
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