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Post by thebessemerkid on Jan 31, 2020 6:09:06 GMT -8
...and it correctly showcases the proper thickness of the actual grating.
Yes!! Somebody finally said it. The popular etched running boards just look like perforated metal strips if you scale them up to full size. They don't look like a 3-D grating, like they should.
The Morton etchings (circular holes) look pretty good. The Apex (rectangular holes) vary.
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Post by riogrande on Jan 31, 2020 6:12:06 GMT -8
...and it correctly showcases the proper thickness of the actual grating. Yes!! Somebody finally said it. The popular etched running boards just look like perforated metal strips if you scale them up to full size. They don't look like a 3-D grating, like they should.
If thought the same thing about the Farr air grills when represented on models with metal strips. The Stewart F units, while having molded on Farr air grills, they had a 3-D appearance with rivets and looked better in some ways.
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Post by gevohogger on Jan 31, 2020 6:27:53 GMT -8
Yes!! Somebody finally said it. The popular etched running boards just look like perforated metal strips if you scale them up to full size. They don't look like a 3-D grating, like they should.
The Morton etchings (circular holes) look pretty good.
That is true. Probably a function of how the real ones are punched; it translates well into HO size.
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Post by csx3305 on Jan 31, 2020 9:05:27 GMT -8
Gypsum pattern is the least realistic. You don’t get the sharp upturned perforations.
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Post by sd40dash2 on Jan 31, 2020 9:53:39 GMT -8
Looks like all yellow Chessie and at least one B&O SKU have all sold out. Update from Tangent here: www.tangentscalemodels.com/icc-bo-i-18-steel-bay-window-caboose/"SPECIAL NOTE: While we have some SKUs still in stock, portions of our first run of cabooses have sold out faster than intended. We will release a new run of cabooses in 2020 so please be patient and watch our website and newsletter for our next “spot release.” And for those customers that have ordered cars from us, please understand that we have a long queue of orders to process but your order in progress!" Remember, cabooses are too specific and people will only buy one. Not enough demand to justify the expense of tooling.
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Jan 31, 2020 10:00:46 GMT -8
8 out of 13 SKUs already sold out. That's gotta be a record for Tangent.
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Jan 31, 2020 10:13:33 GMT -8
Really nice boxes! (Photo shamelessly linked from Facebook.)
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Post by sd40dash2 on Jan 31, 2020 10:15:06 GMT -8
I agree with everything in this post with one exception: I'd rather have another run of the Rapido CP Angus van in normal 70s-80s service and not a shoving platform.
No reason it has to be one or the other. While there certainly is a lot of interest for the regular service version, I feel there is also demand for the various rider cars and shoving platforms. These have been around for 30 years now, are in dwindling numbers and looking pretty worn. They are the last active remnants of the mighty caboose era and I feel there's a generation or two of newer, younger customers who would certainly be interested in them.
I believe Atlas is the only company to recognize shoving platforms and they have updated some of their models to match. Plus the Rapido model of colourful CP 434704 platform.
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Post by gevohogger on Jan 31, 2020 10:41:58 GMT -8
Arrowhead has competition now!
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Post by riogrande on Jan 31, 2020 10:51:48 GMT -8
Remember, cabooses are too specific and people will only buy one. Not enough demand to justify the expense of tooling. I have a feeling many are buying much more than one. If I were fortunate enough to buy D&RGW ICC cabooses, I'd buy multiples. SP is not my primary interest and I own 9 of the Genesis C-50 cabooses and might buy more.
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Post by el3672 on Jan 31, 2020 11:55:24 GMT -8
Your Tangent order has been shipped! That's the message I received this morning,I ordered (4)cabeese. Early blue, yellow, green and a white one and all are selling out fast.
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Post by champagnetrail on Jan 31, 2020 13:57:48 GMT -8
I was at the show on Sat and told David if he did an Erie/EL bay window I’d buy ten. He asked me which version. I replied either the early rivited version or the modern welded version. If he does both I’d buy fifteen. He showed interest and said a few others had expressed my same desire,so maybe he can be convinced. If you read this DL, I can’t think of a better manufacturer than Tangent to bring them to market! Tom PS. Bought a B&O caboose just because! Lol Is there a good reference for the different cabooses the EL used? It's a gap in my EL knowledge I want to fix. You can get some of the information you desire from the EL Color Guide, but back issues of "The Diamond" (which is a publication for the Erie Lackawanna Historical Society) would be your best bet. Other than that, you could ask.
As for steel cabooses, in the steam/transition era, the Erie and DL&W were building their own cabooses in their own shops. The Erie built a large number of "Dunmore" cupola cabooses at their shops of the same name, while the DL&W built a smaller number of "Keyser Valley" cupola cabooses upon old tender frames at their shops of the same name. Neither railroad had the "Northeastern" caboose like so many of their connections did.
Although the Erie built its first bay window caboose at Dunmore (C300), after getting feedback from employees, the production of the Erie bay window cabooses was taken to ICC (an on-line customer in Kenton, OH). The result was the Erie bay window cabooses C301-C350, which rode on distinctive express trucks, through the end of the EL. It's the trucks that make this caboose more of a problem for someone like Tangent or Athearn to produce accurately. By the late 60s, the ex-Erie Dunmores were getting worn out, so the EL went back to ICC for two more groups of bay window cabooses. In 1969 they got C351-C370, which share many of the same features as the B&O ICC I-18. The second group was delivered in 1970, C371-C380, the main difference is the second order came without running boards.
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Post by lvrr325 on Jan 31, 2020 18:03:10 GMT -8
Without looking up it seems like when the D&H was allowed to go picking what they wanted from other roads they picked up at least three EL bay windows and went with some from the newer groups. I want to say the first batch has riveted sides while the 1969-70 cars are welded.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, or I will look it up later.
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Post by 12bridge on Jan 31, 2020 18:56:09 GMT -8
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Post by Christian on Feb 1, 2020 2:28:15 GMT -8
My 1982 paint out came from Ashland, over Walton's Mountain and arrived in Bristow yesterday afternoon. I wasn't able to spend much time with it, but I had some impressions. I will spend lots more time today and put it under power to view the lighting. 1. The packaging was fabulous. I have a feeling it could be the ball in a rugby match. 2. The prototype was small for a caboose. 3. The end detail was much finer than it appeared in the Tangent photos. Particularly the conductor's whistle which I criticized earlier in this thread. 4. The Kadee hangie down thingies must go. 5. The fat tires must go and the replacements I purchased were packed with the model. 6. The interior is totally invisible as the Tangent site warned. 7. The screens are remarkable. I need to tear the screens off all my other models. 8. Tiny little windshield wipers on the bays! BULLETIN! Here is a photo I took on the kitchen table a few minutes ago. (better light) Showing the end. In my photo, the conductor's whistle again looks a bit clunky. Certainly not to the eye. Look at those fat wheels! (You should never take this sort of photo. Look at those nubbins of flash on the railings. Now that I've seen them my eye goes right to them on the model. SIGH)
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Post by Christian on Feb 1, 2020 2:40:30 GMT -8
The popular etched running boards just look like perforated metal strips if you scale them up to full size. They don't look like a 3-D grating like they should. Bobby Pitts (tankcarsrule) doubles his etchings which gets pretty close to the prototype thickness. On his models it is noticeable. But I get your issue. The Tangent - for that matter Kadee - walks are really nice and a lot easier to work with than etch.
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Post by Christian on Feb 1, 2020 9:15:24 GMT -8
I've found a problem. The coupler is way too low. More than just droop. EDIT: see my comment on the follow up post below. I was just lucky!
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Post by milgentrains on Feb 1, 2020 9:44:58 GMT -8
My new Tangent caboose arrived this morning and it's a beauty. The low couplers will be a problem if my caboose is also affected.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 12:07:28 GMT -8
Assembly issue? Or design? Glad I waited...I’m sure they’ll fix the issue...
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Post by champagnetrail on Feb 1, 2020 12:35:40 GMT -8
Without looking up it seems like when the D&H was allowed to go picking what they wanted from other roads they picked up at least three EL bay windows and went with some from the newer groups. I want to say the first batch has riveted sides while the 1969-70 cars are welded. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, or I will look it up later. Correct. The ex-Erie bay window cabooses were of riveted construction, while the 1969-70 cars were welded.
The D&H Color Guide says they got three of the ex-Erie cars, and the entire set C371-C380 from the EL
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Post by Christian on Feb 1, 2020 12:56:42 GMT -8
Assembly issue? Or design? Glad I waited...I’m sure they’ll fix the issue... Assembly issue. It appears on mine that the frame is bent between the bolster and the end sill. The yellow strip shown by the arrow in the photo below probably should not be visible. If the coupler box was notched into that strip the droop would be gone. Having said that, I'm not sure how to proceed since the assembly instructions are not yet posted online and I don't want to screw up the lighting.
I just got off the phone with David Lehlbach. It is not a widespread problem - mine might be the only one with this amount of droop. Lucky me! He'll work with a model at his shop and figure out a solution. I confess that I talked on the phone like a slobbering Tangent fanboy. Now with even more slobber.
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Feb 1, 2020 13:03:54 GMT -8
My undec kit arrived in todays ‘post’ and it’s overwealming with the amount of parts and total lack of the slightest indication of where any of them go. A drawing or two would be nice. I’m happy to have an undec available but not sure when, or if, I’ll get to building this. I’ve shaken the box several times but it’s just not going together like an old blue box.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 13:43:37 GMT -8
He usually posts the instructions as pdf on his site.
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Post by 12bridge on Feb 1, 2020 13:58:07 GMT -8
Dave said the instructions will be done in a week or two and posted.
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Feb 1, 2020 15:30:01 GMT -8
Very good, thank you.
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Post by milgentrains on Feb 1, 2020 18:27:18 GMT -8
Assembly issue? Or design? Glad I waited...I’m sure they’ll fix the issue... Assembly issue. It appears on mine that the frame is bent between the bolster and the end sill. The yellow strip shown by the arrow in the photo below probably should not be visible. If the coupler box was notched into that strip the droop would be gone. Having said that, I'm not sure how to proceed since the assembly instructions are not yet posted online and I don't want to screw up the lighting.
I just got off the phone with David Lehlbach. It is not a widespread problem - mine might be the only one with this amount of droop. Lucky me! He'll work with a model at his shop and figure out a solution. I confess that I talked on the phone like a slobbering Tangent fanboy. Now with even more slobber. The coupler sits higher on mine, it looks like there is a gap between the body and the coupler box on your car. The coupler box on mine is notched into the body, the stripe is still visible.
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Post by el3672 on Feb 1, 2020 23:41:58 GMT -8
Thanks Steve/Christian for bringing up the coupler drop issue, my order of 4 should arrive on Monday. Possibly using one or two Kadee #208/209 washers might just lift the coupler up enough to fix the problem?
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Post by sd40dash2 on Feb 3, 2020 5:50:03 GMT -8
All the blue B&Os are now sold out. Congrats and appreciation to Tangent on a successful release.
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Post by thebessemerkid on Feb 3, 2020 7:47:35 GMT -8
Assembly issue. It appears on mine that the frame is bent between the bolster and the end sill. The yellow strip shown by the arrow in the photo below probably should not be visible. If the coupler box was notched into that strip the droop would be gone. Having said that, I'm not sure how to proceed since the assembly instructions are not yet posted online and I don't want to screw up the lighting.
I just got off the phone with David Lehlbach. It is not a widespread problem - mine might be the only one with this amount of droop. Lucky me! He'll work with a model at his shop and figure out a solution. I confess that I talked on the phone like a slobbering Tangent fanboy. Now with even more slobber. The coupler sits higher on mine, it looks like there is a gap between the body and the coupler box on your car. The coupler box on mine is notched into the body, the stripe is still visible. Pics of "known good" vs. "Not so good" coupler heights and amount of strip visible above would be helpful. Also verification of the "fix" by Russ in this thread is optimal or if there are other options: www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?3,4950091 Don't mind doing a little work.
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Post by tangentsm on Feb 3, 2020 13:32:10 GMT -8
[quote timestamp="1580610438" source="/post/133979/thread" Don't mind doing a little work. We wanted to thank all of you for the robust sales of our first caboose model. We regret that a few models have a "low coupler height" which is an unfortunate assembly issue on a small percentage of our hand-built models. A quick guide on how to fix a drooping coupler is here: www.tangentscalemodels.com/downloads/ (see the third link below the catalogs) If you have questions, just email us via the contact form on our website or support@tangentscalemodels.com Many thanks! David Lehlbach Tangent Scale Models
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