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Post by Colin 't Hart on Jun 19, 2020 22:56:04 GMT -8
You mean you dabble from time to time when you're not spending all your time posting on Internet forums? If I am "spending all [my] time posting on Internet forums", I would therefore never have time to dabble. Since I have,in your quote, confessed to dabbling, I therefore do NOT spend all my time posting blah blah blah...... Has logic always been a challenge for you? (I suppose I should have taken the high road in responding to a personal attack. Maybe next time.) Ed It was you who started the attacks. I’m just returning the favour.
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Post by brakie on Jun 20, 2020 2:05:12 GMT -8
Or just don't give a rats ass. Jim, There are others like me that had a near fatal heart attack and seen how insufficient our hobby is in the grand scheme of life. Before March 2005 I was gung ho about the hobby and after spending 3 1/2 weeks on life support and life support coma I walked away with a different view of life. OTOH the hobby help me through recovery. Ever try modeling one handed? You see I lost the use of my right hand because of that heart attack. Today I have 70% use of my right hand. To be sure model railroading is a bottomless money pit that we are more then willing to throw our hobby dollars into because we enjoy model trains of all types regardless of brand. As I mention before I still like switching cars with either my BB GP7 or GP35 from time to time to recall the fond memories I have of past clubs that I was a member of.
I enjoy my Walthers GP15 as much as I do my IM GP10. My Atlas/Kato RS11 with their to short trucks is just as enjoyable as my Atlas Classic GP7.. Why is that? I guess I enjoy the models and found modeling railroading is fun which ever path one decides to take be it Dabbler, half ass or serious.
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Post by railmodeltroy14 on Jun 20, 2020 6:35:10 GMT -8
I am finishing up benchwork, subroadbed and roadbed on my layout and I have paid very close attention to operations based on the local CSX district run that switches various industries in the area.
This is usually handled by a GP 40-2 and many times with a Chessie System caboose at the rear...as I witnessed Thursday night.
The latest Genesis GP 40-2 with LED lighting and ditch lights that flash on either end and one of the new Tangent cabooses are going to see lots of action.
Along with several other Genesis locomotives and countless Genesis and RTR freight cars.
I am looking forward to the upcoming Genesis NS SD 80 MAC and P42 locomotives.
Excellent products from Athearn.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jun 20, 2020 6:56:02 GMT -8
If I am "spending all [my] time posting on Internet forums", I would therefore never have time to dabble. Since I have,in your quote, confessed to dabbling, I therefore do NOT spend all my time posting blah blah blah...... Has logic always been a challenge for you? (I suppose I should have taken the high road in responding to a personal attack. Maybe next time.) Ed It was you who started the attacks. I’m just returning the favour. You missed the adjective: personal Rather than attack a view or opinion I stated, you chose to attack ME, personally. I find that an interesting choice. Ed
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Post by brakie on Jun 20, 2020 10:28:17 GMT -8
Then there is the serious dabbler...still enjoys model railroading as merely a hobby not a sick obsession. I know I'm just wild guessing here, but perhaps could the person/people who DO enjoy model railroading as a sick obsession be described with a word that starts with "r"? And, for some reason, is usually misspelled by the people who use it? Ed Ed, It was the early "holier then thou art" rivet counters that set the stage of discord by judging how other modelers was modeling. Not so long ago on this forum I casually mention I can't see the details while switching cars because I'm focus on the car number and where it goes and I was told by another member all I needed then is wood blocks with numbers. Even when I was a brakeman I couldn't see the difference in freight car detail because I was focus on my work and one should recall railroads doesn't suffer fools or carelessness. I always considered there is really four type of modelers the train set boys, the dabblers, the half ass modelers (like me) and the serious modelers. Oddly enough all four groups has one thing in common.. The love of model trains.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jun 20, 2020 11:30:31 GMT -8
Ed, It was the early "holier then thou art" rivet counters that set the stage of discord by judging how other modelers was modeling. Not so long ago on this forum I casually mention I can't see the details while switching cars because I'm focus on the car number and where it goes and I was told by another member all I needed then is wood blocks with numbers. To me, that remark is a "smile when you say that, pardner". Meaning that he had better have been kidding you or sort of challenging your approach, and he should have made that clear. Otherwise, it's plain rude. I will say that some model railroaders aren't especially socialized, and aren't the greatest at personal interaction. Also, most of us just don't see detail variations until they're pointed out. And THEN, it lasts forever. "Hey, look. Those are Vulcan T trucks under that car." "Huh?" "Yup, see that wiggy up on top?" "Yup" "Vulcan" "Oh" And then you can't forget it. An interesting list. I just tried that, and it started looking endless. Ed
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Post by brakie on Jun 21, 2020 1:46:13 GMT -8
Ed, To save me from going crazy figuring out all the hobby aspects I just lump modelers in four groups. Dabblers to me is those that likes to detail locomotives, freight cars, scenery, structures and build layouts. The train set boys is those that enjoy running 4-4-0 along side SD80MACs and there's certainly nothing wrong about that. The halfassers like me don't get overly excited if the 6128 isn't 100% correct because (say) the bathroom vent is missing or the font is 1/16" of a scale inch off.. We are concern if old 6128 is completely wrong or if the Hooten Hollow & Western 6128 was a GP7 not GP9. Serious modelers are those that is concerned about old 6128 having all the correct detail.
See, we all one happy group modeling our way.
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Post by railmodeltroy14 on Jun 21, 2020 6:06:10 GMT -8
I am very satisfied with the number of highly-detailed ho scale locomotives and rolling stock available today that you take out of the box and set on the track.
I consider myself a hybrid member of the model railroad community and not a serious "model railroader" in that I reserve that title to folks who custom build everything, handlay track and turnouts.
I now leave the custom detailing to the Chinese assembly persons at factories hired by Athearn, Scale Trains, Atlas...etc.
Athearn Genesis and RTR lines, in particular, have made my transition back in the hobby (after a 10 year hiatus) so much easier.
Prior to that...I super-detailed, painted and decaled most of my locomotives due to the fact in '99, Overland Models was the only option for properly-detailed modern motive power...and at $700.00 a pop...you couldn't run many trains without breaking the bank.
When I decided to re-enter the hobby in December of 2014...I pretty much started over with several Genesis locomotives and RTR freight cars...and tons of leftover Bowser 100 ton 3 bay coal hoppers, Walthers autoracks and a collection of LBF and Walthers Bethgons...plus a fleet of Kato, Atlas and Athearn locomotives.
This has left me with the time to assemble numerous ho scale Kibri construction vehicle models, Walthers Cornerstone bridges and structure kits...and concentrate on finishing benchwork, subroadbed, laying track and wiring.
At this time in life...I feel more comfortable with a DeWalt 20 volt drill than a pin vice and cutting plywood with my jigsaw than trimming decals.
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Post by brammy on Jun 21, 2020 8:10:18 GMT -8
I feel that everyone who posts on a forum like this, reads the magazines, or watches modeling YouTube videos is serious about their modeling.Evens someone who just plugs away at something in their basement is serious about. Not everyone has the means to buy the expensive stuff. The quality of even the budget models these days is very good.
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Post by loco8107 on Jun 21, 2020 15:06:28 GMT -8
Or just don't give a rats ass. Jim, There are others like me that had a near fatal heart attack and seen how insufficient our hobby is in the grand scheme of life. Before March 2005 I was gung ho about the hobby and after spending 3 1/2 weeks on life support and life support coma I walked away with a different view of life. OTOH the hobby help me through recovery. Ever try modeling one handed? You see I lost the use of my right hand because of that heart attack. Today I have 70% use of my right hand. To be sure model railroading is a bottomless money pit that we are more then willing to throw our hobby dollars into because we enjoy model trains of all types regardless of brand. As I mention before I still like switching cars with either my BB GP7 or GP35 from time to time to recall the fond memories I have of past clubs that I was a member of.
I enjoy my Walthers GP15 as much as I do my IM GP10. My Atlas/Kato RS11 with their to short trucks is just as enjoyable as my Atlas Classic GP7.. Why is that? I guess I enjoy the models and found modeling railroading is fun which ever path one decides to take be it Dabbler, half ass or serious. I couldn’t have said it any better. Well said.
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Post by mdvle on Jun 23, 2020 13:45:09 GMT -8
Athearn Live - June 23 - recollections, could be mistaken. - June preorders due by Friday - still waiting for GO and VIA license agreements, if you want preorder on assumption they will go ahead and then your dealer can submit order when Athearn knows. - some artwork is being updated, hope to show updated stuff on Facebook in early July - parts service / repair is open again, but has a backlog. - Teaser for July announcements - Illinois Central Gulf Genesis GP38-2 in orange and white, has been a top 3 request - SD50 with nose lights - can't happen with existing tooling (made out of aluminum, can't be modified), so stuck with the current SD50/60 models until the current new product pipeline gets worked through - Ontario Northland GP38-2 - needs some new tooling, will be looked into - SD50F/SD60F - maybe.
- More Canadian specific models coming this year - EMD E9 - possible - more SF warbonnets coming, but not red/silver - more SD40s later this year - list of semi-trailers they would like to do, but other higher priority items keep taking up available time - Amtrak Pooches - keep an eye on announcements - mentioned the Railpower SD90H, tooling rough and can't be used again - Amtrak Viewliner Baggage - only if they did all of the Viewliner fleet. - Gallery Cars - CB&Q, Rock Island, Metra - interested, if anyone can help with information then contact them through help@athearn.com and maybe it can happen.
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Post by jonklein611 on Jun 23, 2020 14:02:32 GMT -8
Well I did my part, pre ordered two VIA P42's. Let's hope they get made.
Did I see POOCHES?!?!?!
Viewliners? Why is my wallet on fire?
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Post by fr8kar on Jun 23, 2020 14:05:51 GMT -8
Glad to hear they're sticking a fork in the old RPP SD90 tooling. There's no way it holds up to comparable Genesis models.
Curious about that ICG GP38-2. I wonder if it would be a suitable base model for kitbashing one of the GP38ACs that made it to Katy.
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Post by riogrande on Jun 23, 2020 14:45:04 GMT -8
That is what John Enhstrom told me some 8 or 10 years ago. So new tooling needed. Looks like it will be a while yet.
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Post by bdhicks on Jun 23, 2020 16:36:51 GMT -8
They haven't done anything with the RPP SD90 tooling the whole time they've had it, so I would've been quite surprised if they started using it now when they're doing new models of all the related locos with (presumably modular) high-quality tooling.
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Post by amtrakfl9 on Jun 23, 2020 22:09:46 GMT -8
- more SF warbonnets coming, but not red/silver Specifically, this was about more warbonnet F7s. I asked if there were more of the modernized Santa Fe F-units coming (5 chime, de-skirted, nose grabs, etc.) and they said yes but not red and silver.
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Post by carrman on Jun 24, 2020 9:00:29 GMT -8
That is what John Enhstrom told me some 8 or 10 years ago. So new tooling needed. Looks like it will be a while yet. BS. Same nose as the DRGW 3129 and 3130 GP40-2's use. A lot more nose variations have been done since Enstrom left the company. They can play mix and match with tooling inserts and get the right handbrake to make the SD50 nose with Gyralights. Dave
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Post by NS4122 on Jun 24, 2020 9:24:17 GMT -8
If it's so easy to do, then why wouldn't they do it? That is what John Enhstrom told me some 8 or 10 years ago. So new tooling needed. Looks like it will be a while yet. BS. Same nose as the DRGW 3129 and 3130 GP40-2's use. A lot more nose variations have been done since Enstrom left the company. They can play mix and match with tooling inserts and get the right handbrake to make the SD50 nose with Gyralights. Dave
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Post by riogrande on Jun 24, 2020 9:39:39 GMT -8
That is what John Enhstrom told me some 8 or 10 years ago. So new tooling needed. Looks like it will be a while yet. BS. Same nose as the DRGW 3129 and 3130 GP40-2's use. A lot more nose variations have been done since Enstrom left the company. They can play mix and match with tooling inserts and get the right handbrake to make the SD50 nose with Gyralights. Dave Whatever. Just passing on what I was told. Seems to me if it was that easy, it would have been done. I emailed Athearn and John Enstrom several times asking for a D&RGW SD50 with the nose signal light. He said basically that it would cost too much to modify and people would buy them as is.
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Post by gevohogger on Jun 24, 2020 9:41:01 GMT -8
Glad to hear they're sticking a fork in the old RPP SD90 tooling. There's no way it holds up to comparable Genesis models. Curious about that ICG GP38-2. I wonder if it would be a suitable base model for kitbashing one of the GP38ACs that made it to Katy. As long as you don't mind adding dynamic brakes to it and eliminating nearly all of the Dash-2 characteristics that the ACs don't have (the sight glass being a noteable exception). Even the stepwells are different.
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Post by fr8kar on Jun 24, 2020 10:25:57 GMT -8
Glad to hear they're sticking a fork in the old RPP SD90 tooling. There's no way it holds up to comparable Genesis models. Curious about that ICG GP38-2. I wonder if it would be a suitable base model for kitbashing one of the GP38ACs that made it to Katy. As long as you don't mind adding dynamic brakes to it and eliminating nearly all of the Dash-2 characteristics that the ACs don't have (the sight glass being a noteable exception). Even the stepwells are different. Well, that'll teach me to ask about a model I haven't seen. Maybe the Atlas GP38 would be a better starting point then.
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Post by ICG1411 on Jun 24, 2020 13:37:32 GMT -8
fr8kar- Yes you would be better off starting off with a plain Atlas GP38. The only difference between the prototypes is the AC has an AR10 alternator while the straight 38 has a normal generator. The sight glass might have been an IC option, as I don't see them on the GM&O's. Sign me up for the ICG 38-2's, guess I start saving now.
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Post by carrman on Jun 24, 2020 14:05:33 GMT -8
BS. Same nose as the DRGW 3129 and 3130 GP40-2's use. A lot more nose variations have been done since Enstrom left the company. They can play mix and match with tooling inserts and get the right handbrake to make the SD50 nose with Gyralights. Dave Whatever. Just passing on what I was told. Seems to me if it was that easy, it would have been done. I emailed Athearn and John Enstrom several times asking for a D&RGW SD50 with the nose signal light. He said basically that it would cost too much to modify and people would buy them as is. Not saying you're BSing us, but Enstrom sure as hell was. The nose is easy to do, but they will have to change the weight in the nose to do it. They didn't want to spend the money. I know how the nose tooling is done because Clune tooled it.
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Post by amtrakfl9 on Jun 24, 2020 17:13:21 GMT -8
The nose is easy to do, but they will have to change the weight in the nose to do it. They didn't want to spend the money. They said that because the SD50/60 tooling is aluminum, it is either not possible or not cost effective to try and modify it to make the different prototype variations. I think they also said that they will eventually retool it once the current new tooling projects are done. I don't have a timestamp but you should watch the video:
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Post by cannon on Jun 24, 2020 20:02:00 GMT -8
The nose is easy to do, but they will have to change the weight in the nose to do it. They didn't want to spend the money. They said that because the SD50/60 tooling is aluminum, it is either not possible or not cost effective to try and modify it to make the different prototype variations. I think they also said that they will eventually retool it once the current new tooling projects are done. I don't have a timestamp but you should watch the video: The SD50 was originally Chris Clune Cascade Microtool CNC cut aluminum tooling. Programs most likely long gone. As opposed to current China’s steel tooling done with EDM. So I’m sure they are not compatible.
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Post by hovehicle on Jun 24, 2020 22:25:27 GMT -8
It looks like there is no chance of a newly tooled modern 53' trailer, specifically for UPS. I would take any newly tooled 53 from the 2010-current period. What a shame, with the Walthers UPS building, I was expecting something from Athearn. Maybe they can release UPS trailer wheels so I can update all of the Walthers trailers!
Vito L.
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Post by fr8kar on Jun 24, 2020 22:50:34 GMT -8
It looks like there is no chance of a newly tooled modern 53' trailer, specifically for UPS. I would take any newly tooled 53 from the 2010-current period. What a shame, with the Walthers UPS building, I was expecting something from Athearn. Maybe they can release UPS trailer wheels so I can update all of the Walthers trailers! Vito L. What wheels are you referring to? Are you talking about the 10-hole wheels that look like a steel version of an aluminum wheel?
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Post by fr8kar on Jun 24, 2020 22:51:43 GMT -8
fr8kar- Yes you would be better off starting off with a plain Atlas GP38. The only difference between the prototypes is the AC has an AR10 alternator while the straight 38 has a normal generator. The sight glass might have been an IC option, as I don't see them on the GM&O's. Sign me up for the ICG 38-2's, guess I start saving now. Thanks! Not that I needed another project but it sounds like fun.
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Post by timvanmersbergen on Jun 25, 2020 6:06:55 GMT -8
fr8kar- Yes you would be better off starting off with a plain Atlas GP38. The only difference between the prototypes is the AC has an AR10 alternator while the straight 38 has a normal generator. The sight glass might have been an IC option, as I don't see them on the GM&O's. Sign me up for the ICG 38-2's, guess I start saving now. Thanks! Not that I needed another project but it sounds like fun. I started with a Proto GP38-2 to get the extended range dynamic brakes and the sight glass. Pretty much the whole front end was re-done with Cannon parts. They were delivered with the 'L' shape windshield. I'm sure they probably underwent some changes before they went to the Katy. Tim VanMersbergen
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Post by nsc39d8 on Jun 25, 2020 6:52:07 GMT -8
I think the only other change between the GP38 and the GP38AC was the hand rail stanchion spacing. I know Bob Harpe covered this in his Southern GP38AC clinic.
I do not know if the stanchion spacing was just a Southern change or was changed by EMD.
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