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Post by NS4122 on Jul 3, 2020 8:59:12 GMT -8
Since so many people were led to believe that the new car would be announced on July 1st, it's obvious that the communication by Arrowhead was not the clearest. Instead of getting defensive, making accusations and pointing fingers on this forum, wouldn't it have been better for him to just take a Mea Culpa, apologize and say that he'd handle it differently next time to avoid the confusion?
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Post by choochooboy on Jul 3, 2020 9:26:22 GMT -8
Since so many people were led to believe that the new car would be announced on July 1st, it's obvious that the communication by Arrowhead was not the clearest. Instead of getting defensive, making accusations and pointing fingers on this forum, wouldn't it have been better for him to just take a Mea Culpa, apologize and say that he'd handle it differently next time to avoid the confusion? "...I understand that there are people who are frustrated because they interpreted this language as being language that connotes an announcement. I get that, and I can try to be sensitive to that in the future..." From my previous post. A lesson that I have learned is that I should have said: "All-New Announcement Coming July 10th. Details to Follow on July 1" My best, Blaine Hadfield Arrowhead Models |
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Post by riogrande on Jul 3, 2020 9:44:51 GMT -8
I appreciate you listening to some feedback here Blaine.
I let my wife watch the main part of the Youtube video, and her comments were that the difference between the Ford bi-lines about their upcoming Bronco or, A24 Films releases a second trailer to an upcoming movie, is this: the viewers already know what the main product is and are only getting further information or details. With Arrowhead, it's, in her words cryptic statements. She wasn't pleased with that approach for what it's worth.
I understand, it's your company, you've invested no small amount of your own money and time, and lots of painstaking research, so you decide how to promote your product. If there is any "value" to some of the feelings and comments here, hopefully they will be taken on board. I'm no spring chicken, and a large percentage of model RR customers aren't either. They grew up with times when "the customer was always right". Times change and we old farts are having to get used to a new paradigm.
Anyway, best wishes on the upcoming model. May it be a major success to those who find it fits their needs!
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Jul 3, 2020 10:23:56 GMT -8
All of that information was contained in the most recent video, which you can find on the videos tab of the website. At present, it isn't other places on the website. But, in short, the video disclosed new information about the following: 1. The model is innovative--which I don't mean as some kind of marketing hyperbole. It is literally innovative in the sense that there are things about this model that have never been done before. 2. The model serves the 1980s era to the present. 3. We are having a public event to unveil the model, and this event is at Lombard Hobby. We feel like this is a step worth celebrating in the absence of other events. (Social distancing norms will be practices, and Lombard will adhere to the recommended practices outline by the state of Illinois.) 4. Finally, the announcement will be made on July 10th. My best, Blaine Hadfield Arrowhead Models Why not just post the information in this format, to multiple channels? All the rest is just rhetoric and is becoming very weary, IMHO. On the other hand, you have certainly gotten your name out there and everyone's talking about you so maybe goal achieved? |
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Post by csxt8400 on Jul 3, 2020 10:45:57 GMT -8
Well, as a soon to be customer, I can guarantee I'm not giving two thumbs presentation wise. Does my opinion really matter? No. I'm not pledging off his products, but it does fail me on premise alone. It's teasing, literally, and the expectation from the first tease (which is fine) was that July 1st would be big! Well, it wasn't big. It was literally nothing. Some of you are twisting words of myself, Ryan, Martin, etc, and acting like nobody wants to be told anything until the drop date. That's ridiculous. But if you are going to mention a date, maybe make the date worthy of mention. July 1st was not worthy of mention, and if it was, then the June 23rd FB post certainly wasn't. We appreciate your business, and we hope to have some of it in the future. I am going to respond, but not because I am trying to change your opinion. This thread has devolved into an analysis of a Facebook statement where I said "all-new freight car announcement, more details to come, July 1" That's it. That is the crux of the issue. The consensus views has coalesced around the notion that, following a 2 year absence of new product, it is completely out-of-bounds to for a company to say "all-new freight car announcement, more details to come, July 1" on it's own Facebook page. Can you imagine this same conversation happening in any other business environment? Can you imagine holding a company in any other environment to a standard where the dichotomy of communication is "release or say nothing"? I can't. I don't mean to be dismissive of anyone's opinion. But, this general line of reasoning feels absurd. I cannot imagine taking to the forums in anger because Ford drops another bi-line about their upcoming Bronco. Or, A24 Films releases a second trailer to an upcoming movie. Or, feeling so entitled to a business' communication stream that the statement (made somewhere in this thread) "I don't need an announcement of an announcement" actually makes sense. Maybe I am not even trying to talk to the people on this forum directly, right? After all, I didn't even make the statement here. Maybe I am talking to the thousands of people who don't follow Arrowhead on my Facebook account. I mean, ScaleTrains has tens of thousands more followers than I do, for example. Maybe I am letting some of these people know that Arrowhead is re-engaging the market, and maybe that is a good thing for my business. If they have thought about following us but haven't because things have seemed dormant, maybe giving some notice that this is changing is a good thing. Again, the inability of this thread to see that other interests may be at play for saying "all-new freight car announcement, more details to come, July 1" astounds me. I understand that there are people who are frustrated because they interpreted this language as being language that connotes an announcement. I get that, and I can try to be sensitive to that in the future. But, there is ZERO charity for the fact that I did literally what the post said would be done--which was, bring more information to the table about an upcoming announcement. And this is what is interesting to many of the people with whom I having conversations. They are saying that the thread has moved outside the bounds of credibility. And, people are noticing a set of trend-lines in this conversation. With extraordinary consistency, the issues are framed as 'me vs a particular competitor'. This competitor's name is seeded repeatedly--as if there are no other players in this industry. Look, I am not saying that this competitor himself is behind these comments in any way. I genuinely don't believe that this would be true. But, when the trend lines are this engrained, it starts to feel like the fans of this company's products are abandoning reasonable judgment for advocacy. My best, Blaine Hadfield Arrowhead Blaine, understood. And this is probably well blown out of proportion at this point. I was bummed out about the way this was presented because I was excited for the announcement. And I felt like the big day was July 1st from you previous post on FB. So, I think you can understand that and you said you'll be more cognoscente of this in the future. Definitely not trying to rail against your company or your dedication. I'm positive that I'll soon have your product on my shelves. |
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Post by kpack on Jul 3, 2020 10:59:54 GMT -8
If it's 80's to modern I'm hoping that it's something I can use. Looking forward to seeing what it is. Even if it's not something that fits my modeling, I welcome any new model to the market. We have it really good as modelers. Who would've thought 10 years ago that we would have the incredible selection of high quality models that we do now? I tip my hat to anyone or any company who has the motivation, ability, and expertise to bring a new model to us.
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Post by SOMECALLMETIM on Jul 3, 2020 11:13:40 GMT -8
In the time being until this release on the 10th, is there additional information on what road names will be released for the ACF 4600?
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Post by fr8kar on Jul 3, 2020 11:37:25 GMT -8
If it's 80's to modern I'm hoping that it's something I can use. Looking forward to seeing what it is. Even if it's not something that fits my modeling, I welcome any new model to the market. We have it really good as modelers. Who would've thought 10 years ago that we would have the incredible selection of high quality models that we do now? I tip my hat to anyone or any company who has the motivation, ability, and expertise to bring a new model to us. -Kevin Cars that were built in 1980 are just now getting cut up for scrap, unless they qualify for the extended life program then they're good for fifty years. So if the prototype was built in July 1980 or later it's good up to the present day. I'm hoping it's a carbon dioxide tank car. I could certainly use a handful of those. |
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Post by thebessemerkid on Jul 3, 2020 12:05:59 GMT -8
What's been built since 1980 that's not available? Obviously there are some variants of cars that haven't been done (covered hoppers of differing capacities, mfg etc) or haven't been done to current standards? We go through a similar exercise when new locos are pre-announced. If our guesses aren't realized, they may become inspiration for future models. Are there any glaring omissions in what's out there? My interests are generally older although if a model is interesting and well executed I will buy it. For example, I don't model NS, but would absolutely purchase the "Dolly Parton" hoppers:  photos.greatrails.net/photos/2006/03/05/2006030521544914762.jpgSo what's out there that's 80's and newer that is obviously missing from HO? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 12:07:41 GMT -8
If it's 80's to modern I'm hoping that it's something I can use. Looking forward to seeing what it is. Even if it's not something that fits my modeling, I welcome any new model to the market. We have it really good as modelers. Who would've thought 10 years ago that we would have the incredible selection of high quality models that we do now? I tip my hat to anyone or any company who has the motivation, ability, and expertise to bring a new model to us. -Kevin Cars that were built in 1980 are just now getting cut up for scrap, unless they qualify for the extended life program then they're good for fifty years. So if the prototype was built in July 1980 or later it's good up to the present day. I'm hoping it's a carbon dioxide tank car. I could certainly use a handful of those. These? www.flickr.com/photos/48288130@N02/30061630986I'll take a few. |
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Post by railmodeltroy14 on Jul 3, 2020 12:11:57 GMT -8
3 bay 100 ton coal hopper
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Post by SOMECALLMETIM on Jul 3, 2020 12:24:17 GMT -8
Interestingly Smokey Mountain Model works has 3 resin models in the works to include the Dolly Parton. What's been built since 1980 that's not available? Obviously there are some variants of cars that haven't been done (covered hoppers of differing capacities, mfg etc) or haven't been done to current standards? We go through a similar exercise when new locos are pre-announced. If our guesses aren't realized, they may become inspiration for future models. Are there any glaring omissions in what's out there? My interests are generally older although if a model is interesting and well executed I will buy it. For example, I don't model NS, but would absolutely purchase the "Dolly Parton" hoppers: photos.greatrails.net/photos/2006/03/05/2006030521544914762.jpgSo what's out there that's 80's and newer that is obviously missing from HO? |
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Post by 690 on Jul 3, 2020 12:47:38 GMT -8
What's been built since 1980 that's not available? Obviously there are some variants of cars that haven't been done (covered hoppers of differing capacities, mfg etc) or haven't been done to current standards? We go through a similar exercise when new locos are pre-announced. If our guesses aren't realized, they may become inspiration for future models. Are there any glaring omissions in what's out there? My interests are generally older although if a model is interesting and well executed I will buy it. For example, I don't model NS, but would absolutely purchase the "Dolly Parton" hoppers: photos.greatrails.net/photos/2006/03/05/2006030521544914762.jpgSo what's out there that's 80's and newer that is obviously missing from HO? Sodium chlorate hoppers are a big one. I understand there’s not necessarily a lot of variety in paint schemes for them, but they are all over the country and are fairly common cars. |
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Post by delta767332er on Jul 3, 2020 13:09:36 GMT -8
Blaine, I know I'll probably buy at least five of these when you announce them if you don't just do them as-delivered. With that said, I don't think we as a collective are upset about the "heads up", rather the way that it was bread crumbed. I think you could have just sprang the video on us as enough of a heads up, instead of having a post exclaiming July 1st!! July 1st! It sent our expectations sky high, and didn't deliver. In eight days I'm sure all will be forgiven, but a simple update doesn't have to be done in two segments for most of us. I'm still excited. I guess you figured out the pulley mystery!! |
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Post by kpack on Jul 3, 2020 13:25:52 GMT -8
If it's 80's to modern I'm hoping that it's something I can use. Looking forward to seeing what it is. Even if it's not something that fits my modeling, I welcome any new model to the market. We have it really good as modelers. Who would've thought 10 years ago that we would have the incredible selection of high quality models that we do now? I tip my hat to anyone or any company who has the motivation, ability, and expertise to bring a new model to us. -Kevin Cars that were built in 1980 are just now getting cut up for scrap, unless they qualify for the extended life program then they're good for fifty years. So if the prototype was built in July 1980 or later it's good up to the present day. I'm hoping it's a carbon dioxide tank car. I could certainly use a handful of those. I'd be good for a couple of those too. Other glaring holes that come to mind are the cyrogenic reefers. CryoTrans has several variants (4 I think?) and are found on quite nearly every manifest across the nation. I think logo copyright might be an issue with making them though. BNSF's 82' reefer (two major variants, with both having sub-variants) is another missing one. Both are probably too new for this though. Food for thought for future releases. -Kevin |
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Post by fr8kar on Jul 3, 2020 13:48:05 GMT -8
Cars that were built in 1980 are just now getting cut up for scrap, unless they qualify for the extended life program then they're good for fifty years. So if the prototype was built in July 1980 or later it's good up to the present day. I'm hoping it's a carbon dioxide tank car. I could certainly use a handful of those. These? www.flickr.com/photos/48288130@N02/30061630986I'll take a few. I'm not sure if that's the class, but ARIX has them now. The old ADM cars in the 43xxx group are the ones I want: rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3029923 |
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Post by thebessemerkid on Jul 3, 2020 14:03:33 GMT -8
What's been built since 1980 that's not available? Obviously there are some variants of cars that haven't been done (covered hoppers of differing capacities, mfg etc) or haven't been done to current standards? We go through a similar exercise when new locos are pre-announced. If our guesses aren't realized, they may become inspiration for future models. Are there any glaring omissions in what's out there? My interests are generally older although if a model is interesting and well executed I will buy it. For example, I don't model NS, but would absolutely purchase the "Dolly Parton" hoppers: photos.greatrails.net/photos/2006/03/05/2006030521544914762.jpgSo what's out there that's 80's and newer that is obviously missing from HO? Sodium chlorate hoppers are a big one. I understand there’s not necessarily a lot of variety in paint schemes for them, but they are all over the country and are fairly common cars. The sodium chlorate cars certainly have enough bits and pieces to approach the "199 parts" criterion. The carbon dioxide tankers are also interesting. What year were the 4-truck "super tank cars" introduced? They're another one that I think is missing. |
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Post by migalyto on Jul 3, 2020 14:07:17 GMT -8
Cars that were built in 1980 are just now getting cut up for scrap, unless they qualify for the extended life program then they're good for fifty years. So if the prototype was built in July 1980 or later it's good up to the present day. I'm hoping it's a carbon dioxide tank car. I could certainly use a handful of those. I'd be good for a couple of those too. Other glaring holes that come to mind are the cyrogenic reefers. CryoTrans has several variants (4 I think?) and are found on quite nearly every manifest across the nation. I think logo copyright might be an issue with making them though. BNSF's 82' reefer (two major variants, with both having sub-variants) is another missing one. Both are probably too new for this though. Food for thought for future releases. -Kevin Why would the Cryo-Trains logo licensing be hard to get? It appears Microscale makes decal sheets, and Walthers produced them at some point, so someone has got licensing at some point. |
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Post by bigdaddy on Jul 3, 2020 14:31:24 GMT -8
Blaine is a victim of Geraldo's Al Capone's Safe Syndrome. Except, unlike Geraldo, there will be something inside Blaine's safe.
What I want to know is was that a lemon in your rum and coke?
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Post by kpack on Jul 3, 2020 15:21:07 GMT -8
I'd be good for a couple of those too. Other glaring holes that come to mind are the cyrogenic reefers. CryoTrans has several variants (4 I think?) and are found on quite nearly every manifest across the nation. I think logo copyright might be an issue with making them though. BNSF's 82' reefer (two major variants, with both having sub-variants) is another missing one. Both are probably too new for this though. Food for thought for future releases. -Kevin Why would the Cryo-Trains logo licensing be hard to get? It appears Microscale makes decal sheets, and Walthers produced them at some point, so someone has got licensing at some point. From what I understand there was a copyright issue with CryoTrans on those products. I don't think Walthers has released any new runs of CryoTrans lettered reefers. And I don't know if Microscale has made new sheets of the decals or if they are all old stock. Of course I could be completely wrong, but that's what I've heard. -Kevin |
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Post by peoriaman on Jul 3, 2020 15:25:43 GMT -8
.... there will be something inside Blaine's safe. Sounds like an upgrade to the old cardboard box? |
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Post by unittrain on Jul 3, 2020 15:31:01 GMT -8
The railgon gondolas are 1979 or 1980 I don't think a lot of boxcars were being built then🤔 maybe an FMC car such as the 4700 covered hopper or tankcar maybe?
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Post by migalyto on Jul 3, 2020 16:56:19 GMT -8
Why would the Cryo-Trains logo licensing be hard to get? It appears Microscale makes decal sheets, and Walthers produced them at some point, so someone has got licensing at some point. From what I understand there was a copyright issue with CryoTrans on those products. I don't think Walthers has released any new runs of CryoTrans lettered reefers. And I don't know if Microscale has made new sheets of the decals or if they are all old stock. Of course I could be completely wrong, but that's what I've heard. -Kevin Ok, that makes sense as to why we haven't seen anymore runs. They would be hugely popular, and sell very well. Maybe Arrowhead has overcome that hurdle. |
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Jul 4, 2020 1:16:15 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 2:41:48 GMT -8
Thanks for sharing this list. Definitely looking forward to the BNSF models. I see them almost every day I work, both ex-ATSF and ex-BN. I’ll need to pickup a few of those. |
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Post by thebessemerkid on Jul 4, 2020 5:50:49 GMT -8
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Post by bnsftcdiv on Jul 4, 2020 6:21:28 GMT -8
I could be good with the cryogenic cars-either BNSF/TILX or Cryotrans-I'm lettering up some foobies so it would fit Dabney's Law.
Sodium Chlorate cars would be cool as well....but what else have people asked for that could be in the mix? What about...
Plastics Hoppers-Either a Pullman Standard 5820 4 bay or variant or a Richmond 5800. Both done by Overland, Hard to get one but still out there working everyday.
Trinity Aluminum Hoppers-allegedly one of these was in the pipeline once.
Multi compartment 50 or 60' tank cars-3 or 4 compartment of chemical or petroleum products.
Much Less likely but cool for the BNSF guys-a Flexibeam centerbeam car.
Soda Ash Covered Hoppers?
A live DODX flat...yeah I know they're coming from someone else.....maybe.
Frankly we have gotten a lot of new unusual cars lately. Never would have thought finger rack flats or carbon black cars so it could be the unusual...
Patiently waiting for the 10th to see if my wallet will take a hit.
Dave Burman
modeling the modern Twin Cities
Trempealeau, WI
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Jul 4, 2020 6:22:31 GMT -8
The model coming next week is not the ACF4600. |
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Post by riogrande on Jul 4, 2020 7:21:06 GMT -8
The model coming next week is not the ACF4600. And remember, Blaine did say: "I promise, it's not what you think". That means whatever guess have been made have to be wrong.  |
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Post by Christian on Jul 4, 2020 9:08:23 GMT -8
Blaine did say: "I promise, it's not what you think." Ah Ha! I'm betting it is a working model of an agricultural irrigation system. That's for sure not what I think! |
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