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Post by thunderhawk on Jul 27, 2020 10:35:10 GMT -8
Notice how long it takes him to paint just a turret? Not workable in a production environment. Scale Trains video painting turbines
Unless people want to pay even higher prices, that is how it needs to be done. And frankly, I hear very few complaints overall for the paint thickness on factory models. |
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Post by markfj on Jul 27, 2020 11:03:36 GMT -8
Yeah, you’ll need a gun like the one shown in the ST video for production. Way back when I did industrial spray painting, we used pressure pots to feed paint to the guns. That was painting on a big scale where we would go through gallons of paint in a shift.
I think I’ll be switching to a mini spray gun for personal use though. I like the fast, even coverage shown in both videos that I just can’t seem to get with my airbrush.
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Post by 12bridge on Jul 27, 2020 18:49:01 GMT -8
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Post by thebessemerkid on Jul 27, 2020 20:42:59 GMT -8
That's a great set of pics. One of the things I take with me when I (now rarely) get out in the field is a cloth measuring tape. So many debates over the years on handrail diameters. Cloth tape (like a tailor uses) makes it a snap to measure diameters and photograph the tape being held on the handrail. Permanent record that eliminates guessing. I'd imagine there are many different items one might record, including handrails, grabs, lift levers and so on. Wish I would have thought of it when younger and I could climb all over everything. Cheap and compact. Toss in camera bag. www.ebay.com/itm/60-Inches-Flexible-Soft-Ruler-Measure-Tailor-Sewing-Measuring-Tape-Chinese-Cun-B/392835551975ETA: In some pictures, like brickwork at a station platform, I'll sometimes take a shot with my calibrated shoe deliberately in the picture. I know width and length, so it's a cheap reference that I always have with me. Same for holding a finger up next to a handrail. Not as accurate as tape, but in a pinch. No ruler? Take a piece of 8 1/2 x 11 paper. You can either wrap it around something and mark where the end meets or fold the paper to get 5.5", 4.25" and so on "rulers". Document all the stuff while you can. Before you know it stuff is gone to the scrap pile. |
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Post by Christian on Jul 28, 2020 0:56:10 GMT -8
Ill just leave these here.. Really useful. It would seem to me that the walkway tread patterns would be better represented by Archer decals than by etched brass or injected plastic. |
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Post by SOMECALLMETIM on Jul 28, 2020 3:34:50 GMT -8
Did you send the images to Rapido? Ill just leave these here.. |
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Post by jonklein611 on Jul 28, 2020 3:58:23 GMT -8
With these being pre-production shots, folks you have a chance to provide input to Rapido. Shoot them an email if you see stuff that needs correcting, they tend to listen.
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Post by gevohogger on Jul 28, 2020 5:44:35 GMT -8
With these being pre-production shots, folks you have a chance to provide input to Rapido. Shoot them an email if you see stuff that needs correcting, they tend to listen. Except for those occasions when they don't. |
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Post by markfj on Jul 28, 2020 5:47:34 GMT -8
Great set of photos 12bridge! Those are some thick layers of paint shown in that photo of the latch, wow. That reminds me of a NS GP38-2 I photographed a couple years ago that had deep sanding disc marks in the paint. I guess when you’re on the clock to get a locomotive back on the road, a perfect finish isn’t always a priority. Still it’s better than rust!
Agree with the comments above; send those photos to Rapido.
Thanks, Mark
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Post by 12bridge on Jul 28, 2020 7:52:22 GMT -8
Slowfreight summed up my thoughts on just that on the 1st page. I am sure they still read this forum even if they dont post. If they want them, here they are. My personal Rapido experiences have so far been terrible with email, so I am not wasting my time. And no, I am not hating on Rapido. If I did, I would not have 2k in passenger cars on order.
Another thing to note is the inconsistent handrail sizes on the model. The end and cab handrails are much thicker then the ones on the sides.
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Post by petehuse on Jul 28, 2020 8:05:47 GMT -8
Just a follow up to handrail dimension discussion from thebessemerkid...
Cloth tape is a clever way to measure the "perimeter" of a tube size, not the diameter. Of course then the diameter is perimeter/pi. So the 5.5" measurement of the perimeter would be 1.75 inches diameter. If someone is using 5.5 inches as a handrail diameter, it is 3x too thick!
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Post by bnsf971 on Jul 28, 2020 8:12:50 GMT -8
US dollar bills are 6" long, so you have that to measure with, as well.
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Post by canrailfan on Jul 28, 2020 8:17:28 GMT -8
Ill just leave these here.. With the exception of the piece outside the cab door and the front crossover step, none of the walkway or end platform tread plate appears to be original. Does anyone have a source for EMD factory photos that might show what the original tread plate looked like? |
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Post by gevohogger on Jul 28, 2020 8:27:09 GMT -8
Just a follow up to handrail dimension discussion from thebessemerkid... Cloth tape is a clever way to measure the "perimeter" of a tube size, not the diameter. Of course then the diameter is perimeter/pi. So the 5.5" measurement of the perimeter would be 1.75 inches diameter. If someone is using 5.5 inches as a handrail diameter, it is 3x too thick! That must be the method Kato used.... |
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Post by 12bridge on Jul 28, 2020 8:40:40 GMT -8
The only piece I would argue not being original is the top of the drop step extension box on the rear. Everything else matches other EMD Switchers I have been on, other then the later SW and MP's that went to diamond tread.
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Post by thebessemerkid on Jul 28, 2020 10:01:37 GMT -8
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Post by jonklein611 on Jul 28, 2020 13:07:57 GMT -8
I'm genuinely curious what you have against Rapido's hopper walkways. They are metal and look just as good as what Intermountain uses on their hoppers, or what Plano is making. Maybe you're confusing it with the Walthers cylindrical hopper which has an injected plastic walkway? Pic for comparison - Rapido on the left, Intermountain on the right, Walthers in the middle. I also have a car with a Plano walkway, but unfortunately I don't have it with me to add to the comparison as well. I don't know, maybe it's the thickness of the walkways at the edges. Is that Rapido from the newer run? I have one of the originals and I remember it looking worse than that. Other than the edges I agree it looks decent in that picture. I'm also referencing their Flexi-Flo samples, though:  They had feedback on their facebook page:
"One thing we forgot to mention, we're upgrading the metal roofwalks to be a little thinner much like our 3800 cu ft Canadian Hoppers. So yes, the Flexi Flo can get better!"
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Post by thunderhawk on Jul 28, 2020 13:26:15 GMT -8
Etched roofwalks are generally too thin, not too thick. I've seen a few people stack them to get the proper thickness.
The pattern looks terrible on those if that's supposed to be Apex.
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Post by peoriaman on Jul 28, 2020 17:23:53 GMT -8
Alarm bells are ringing at Omaharoad's house!
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Post by drolsen on Jul 29, 2020 14:39:54 GMT -8
I'm genuinely curious what you have against Rapido's hopper walkways. They are metal and look just as good as what Intermountain uses on their hoppers, or what Plano is making. Maybe you're confusing it with the Walthers cylindrical hopper which has an injected plastic walkway? Pic for comparison - Rapido on the left, Intermountain on the right, Walthers in the middle. I also have a car with a Plano walkway, but unfortunately I don't have it with me to add to the comparison as well.  Looking at the photo, the Rapido car is just poorly done as the Walther's car considering it's a etched part. Intermountain is in a class by itself. I don't know, maybe it's the thickness of the walkways at the edges. Etched roofwalks are generally too thin, not too thick. I've seen a few people stack them to get the proper thickness. Sorry, I know this is continuing to veer off the original subject, but this has always been an interesting topic to me. From the prototype walkways / running boards that I've seen, the Intermountain version is actually too thin, as Thunderhawk mentioned, which is often the case with etched metal running boards on models. You can see that Rapido tried to replicate the frame around the walkway end platforms visible at the top of side ladders in this photo below. The Intermountain model looks way too thin in comparison, with just the sharp edge of the etched metal visible.  These cylindrical hoppers have pretty thing long running boards, but many other prototypes are thicker in appearance than models because they have a lip, probably about an inch tall, that bends down at the end of the running board. Some of Plano's sets actually come with a long, narrow L-shaped etched strip that's intended to be glued under the outside edge of the running board to give it the additional thickness of the prototype, but I've never tried that before. Dave |
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Post by trainguy99 on Jul 30, 2020 3:39:02 GMT -8
Running boards are one of those situations where any material that I know of forces a compromise. PE metal looks great from some angles but is a thin, flat piece, which is not what a real running board looks like, and can be fragile. You can put it in a molded frame, but there are problems with that also. Molded acetal plastic is durable, can have dimension, and can be molded in body color to avoid painting, but there are limits to how thin you can make it. Molded styrene is less robust than acetal. If the manufacturer chooses to paint the running board, that creates a different potential issue. People seem to love to criticize the manufacturers, but they have to make a compromise based on the intended use of their product and what they think their customer wants. IM did a fine job on their cylindrical of executing a PE running board that impresses because of its fine detail, even if it lacks dimension. Walthers used a different material because they're making an operator car, but good for them for putting see through running boards on $30 cars.
Here are links to some photos of the prototype. As someone who's old enough to remember just how bad model running boards used to be, I actually think this is an area where we have seen real progress.
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